HELP! Anyone raised a PUMA? Big TROUBLE!!!

JohnR · 27th July 2010, 05:48 PM

Yep, what Pete said, Lifted mine (King spring 2" lift) at about 10,000kms now has 75,000km of trouble free driving.

It would be interesting to know exactly how much higher the ARB kit made it as when I did mine because of the bull bar, winch, sliders etc. etc. extra weight it actually only lifter the suspension by 28mm. Not that I am worried by this but my point is if you do a bit of maths and figure out what the actual change in degrees to the output shaft of the transfer case after the lift I am sure you will find it will be a very minimal difference. Therefore ask LR to explain how on a vehicle that should be able to use its full travel of suspension (with no lift kit) can fail as soon as they put a new transfer case in and I am sure their test drive did not use the full limits of the suspension even if it is lifted???

Something seems a little odd here. It sounds more like ARB have reassembled something incorrect when putting your car back together and for some reason LR have not picked up on this when checking over it? I'd be asking LR to do a full check of how the front is assembled to see if they can see what has caused the fault so you can go back to ARB with something concrete that they will have a difficult time arguing as you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to argue!

Good Luck

**dullbird** · 27th July 2010, 08:06 PM

Great news povman...

As for where to get the double Cardon Xavier had one made here at the cost of $1000 but you can get them from various suppliers. Devon 4x4 do double Cardons for the puma greasable ones too, not sure of price but ian also saw them at billing for £350 but can't remember the name of the company.

Hope that helps!

**dmdigital** · 27th July 2010, 08:18 PM

Wasn't from QT was it Lou? I notice they have DC'd prop shafts on their website.

**stevencam** · 27th July 2010, 08:20 PM

I have fitted ARB springs to the rear of my PUMA the local ARB dealer gave me a product guide and secification sheet for the ARB suspension components, and it clearly states that fitting their kits will cause prop shaft angle proplems and that a double cardan joint front prop must be fitted. So ARB are well aware of these problems even if the fitters and customers aren't.

Gav110 · 27th July 2010, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by greenhornet

Whoa! Povman, what a setback.
I have been enjoying your ‘build up’ and this is a real blow.
We are definitely getting mixed messages re lifting the Puma.
Hasn’t Gav110 lifted his Puma with no issues?
Good luck with the outcome.

No mate, kept mine standard height but just added HD front springs - and considering HD for rears too as am started getting sag even with no towing and no weight - but getting LR to check under warranty first

Good luck Povman - heary goes out to you. Gav

**Allan** · 27th July 2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Gav110

No mate, kept mine standard height but just added HD front springs - and considering HD for rears too as am started getting sag even with no towing and no weight - but getting LR to check under warranty first

Good luck Povman - heary goes out to you. Gav

I've put a draw system and Engal drop down fridge mount in mine and have to go for LR heavy duty springs. Hope they fix your problem povman, good luck.

Allan

**lardy** · 28th July 2010, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by dullbird

Great news povman...

As for where to get the double Cardon Xavier had one made here at the cost of $1000 but you can get them from various suppliers. Devon 4x4 do double Cardons for the puma greasable ones too, not sure of price but ian also saw them at billing for £350 but can't remember the name of the company.

Hope that helps!

Bailey Morris Limited - Propshaft Manufacturing Specialists

**lardy** · 28th July 2010, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by stevencam

I have fitted ARB springs to the rear of my PUMA the local ARB dealer gave me a product guide and secification sheet for the ARB suspension components, and it clearly states that fitting their kits will cause prop shaft angle proplems and that a double cardan joint front prop must be fitted. So ARB are well aware of these problems even if the fitters and customers aren't.

Povman...before anyone of your money extractors blinds you with bull**** if the products are not fit for purpose then they have the ball in their court and should therefore be making huge in-roads in your favour get in contact with consumer affairs just to give them the heads up and get some info to stick to whoever you end up dealing with, when I had a moment of madness and I looked at a puma at lra perth they also indicate ARB for aftermarket upgrades therefore you used the recommended bod's they messed up ...and good luck

**povman** · 28th July 2010, 07:13 AM

Once again, thanx for everyones support with this issue. Good to see peoples opinion to remedy this problem and it's much appreciated, but also you have given me ammunition to fight with.

They have kept the HD springs in the rear, and I questioned this with LR yesterday and they said, "not a problem". I'm hoping they are correct with this assessment and that it doesn't bight me in the arse later down the track..!
I already have a quote if anyones interested from Hardy Spicer for a double cardan and it came in at Price $451.40ea + GST.
ARB were hinting in this direction yesterday, and am told they are going to ring me today at 3pm to let me know what they are doing about this bull****
Once again will be back this arvo to give you an update..
Cheers,
Povman

**LowRanger** · 28th July 2010, 09:38 AM

I was quoted approx.$700 to make a heavy duty Double Cardan joint front shaft,using Hardy Spicer joints and slide from a local driveshaft guy here that does a lot of work for the comp guys.Don't even think of buying one from QT,as I already got stung buying their shafts,which have joints from Turkey and splined slides that are made in India.

Wayne

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