Thread: DIY oil change on a PUMA - Don't use just any old oil

Originally Posted by spudboy

Ha - they started out at $25 and $70, so I had to haggle them down a bit.

They probably buy them for $10 and $20 each or something.... who knows.

the price u got i would guess would be prity much cost???

Originally Posted by Naks

In SA the oil used by the stealers is Castrol Magnatec A1 Professional 5w30 ACEA A5/B5. It conform to the Ford specs for the Defender: WSS M2C-913-B.

Btw, this Ford spec has been superseded by the specs WSS M2C-913-C.

This link gives you some of the oils that conform to the specs: Ford Engine Oil - WSS-M2C 913-C

Castrol Mag A1 Pro is also the oil for the Td6 T/D but magnatec or edge sport can also be used.Are the filters the same ones used by Ford?,whats Fords price or can you get them from the UK. Pat

Naks, I see that particular Magnatec is full synthetic, so much better than what you regularly buy over the counter in the UK. Your link is obviously UK based and from what I can see the guys on the Defender 2 forum are unnecessarily concerned.

The two specifications used in Australia seems to be basically the Professional for complete oil changes by workshops and the more expensive Edge Sport for top ups. On a DIY approach, getting hold of the "Professional" (or equivalent) seems to be the way forward.

Originally Posted by Loubrey

Naks, I see that particular Magnatec is full synthetic, so much better than what you regularly buy over the counter in the UK. Your link is obviously UK based and from what I can see the guys on the Defender 2 forum are unnecessarily concerned.

Not necessarily.

The Magnatec A1 is specifically formulated to reduce fuel consumption, and as such has a low HTHS. A lot of people prefer oils with a high HTHS index because it improves the durability of the engine.

IMHO, I would rather have a slightly higher fuel consumption if it means my engine will last 500Kkm

This is a particularly good read on the subject: http://www.atiel.org/members/pdf_files/ACEA%20Stow.pdf


So if you want long-term durability instead of fuel economy, it looks like an A3/B4 oil is better

See http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngi.../ACEA2008.html

Originally Posted by Naks

Not necessarily.

The Magnatec A1 is specifically formulated to reduce fuel consumption, and as such has a low HTHS. A lot of people prefer oils with a high HTHS index because it improves the durability of the engine.

IMHO, I would rather have a slightly higher fuel consumption if it means my engine will last 500Kkm

This is a particularly good read on the subject: http://www.atiel.org/members/pdf_files/ACEA%20Stow.pdf


So if you want long-term durability instead of fuel economy, it looks like an A3/B4 oil is better

See European Engine Oil New Specification Sequences of ACEA2008 - European Engine Oil - The Lubrizol Corporation

I've always been iffy about low HTHS oils too, but if an engine is designed around a low HTHS oil I doubt very much if there will be a wear/durability concern. (at least for the warranty period )

If you look at the Stow document it details how Ford used 6 Transits with the 2.4 HDCi engine under delivery service, heavy load, severe operation using 60,000km oil change intervals (120,000km total distance) and after engine teardowns and used oil analysis showed no significant issues.

As far as I understand it the main reason for the C1 to C4 oils is the very low phosphorous (zinc) levels for the DPF's but the Ford C1 spec is very low, something like 0.05% phosphorous (which apparently translates to around 0.055% zinc)

From this Penrite PDF http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment...plications.pdf

For all these grades, the oxidation, deposits and oil life parameters are similar to A3/B4 but
special tests are added for wear protection using different engines.

Out of warranty I'd be really tempted to use an ACEA E6 (heavy duty) low saps oil whose phosphorous level is <0.08%. (equal to a C2/C3 oil)

Originally Posted by Loubrey

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The Defender 2 forum guys recon semi synthetic Magnatec is the UK specification - Rick130 you agree?

Mate, I have no idea ?

Any link to its specs ?

What I do know is that Castrol's product names and blends often vary significantly from market to market.

G'day Eveyone,

The owners handbook states what oil to use, As is the case then would it not be right to use the oil as specified in the hand book, I also had a look at the data lube link for both Castrol and Penrite

Castrol recommends the 0W 40 Sport Edge, Penrite recomends a 0 W 30. Yet last year Penrite recomended their HPR Diesel 5. Which is now a 5 W 40 athough it states this is compatable to a 5W 30.
I think I am a little confused on this.
Can I use either of the above.

Jake (hope my confusion has not confused anyone else)

Hi Jake,

Just call Castrol on their 1300 number (1300 557 998 I think) and have a chat to one of their techs. They were very clear when I rang: SLX Professional OE or Edge Sport 0W-40 only.

If you want to use Penrite or another brand, just ring their tech line.

LR put in Castrol so I reckon that's the one to use, but if you use something equivalent I'm sure you'll not notice any difference.