Thread: Factory Options/Accessories

KarlB's latest post

lol touche!

I don't object at all. You do make good points, and people should be aware of them.

The thing that does bug me slightly is comments like this one:

If you put lockers on, you will almost certainly find LRA will not honour the warranty on your drive train

Is that based on any sort of first or even second hand experience or just speculation? My car had lockers and 33's from 11k miles and the dealer couldn't have cared less, and even with those fitted it didnt explode or break down. LR would have to prove that it caused the fault which would be very hard.

If a locker for example had failed, it would be covered by their warranty anyway, at least for 12 months.

Pretty sure Drew is fully aware of the options and risks now.

I do agree regarding the 'take care when lifting a puma' comments however and said as much in one of my earlier posts... I would be very wary.

Cheers
Pete

Warranty is offered by LRA and interpreted by the dealer a bit like the laws being made by parliament and enforced by the police. Any doubt and it goes to court.

The recent experience here is that anything that can be used as an out by the dealer is used. The court of appeal is LR.

As an example I was told by the dealer that the rubbing of the lower turbo hose on the steering column joint was caused by an act of the snorkel installer...patent crap and nonsense. However it illustrates the current warranty climate.

Originally Posted by Psimpson7

lol touche!

I don't object at all. You do make good points, and people should be aware of them.

The thing that does bug me slightly is comments like this one:



Is that based on any sort of first or even second hand experience or just speculation? My car had lockers and 33's from 11k miles and the dealer couldn't have cared less, and even with those fitted it didnt explode or break down. LR would have to prove that it caused the fault which would be very hard.

If a locker for example had failed, it would be covered by their warranty anyway, at least for 12 months.

Pretty sure Drew is fully aware of the options and risks now.

I do agree regarding the 'take care when lifting a puma' comments however and said as much in one of my earlier posts... I would be very wary.

Cheers
Pete

I've got lockers, after market shocks, relocation cones, aftermarket hd rear springs, the list goes on. At no time thus far have I had warranty issues that the dealer would not fix.

Allan

Originally Posted by isuzurover

For fun and procrastination I did a quick search.

Since March 2010 you have 41 posts with the word "Warranty" in. So an average of 45 posts /yr.

PSimpson7 has 86 posts with the word "Tyre(s)" in them since March 2008 - so an average of 29 times/yr.

I think you win.

While your counting, how many of my posts were about "extended warranty"?

But you could be right. That would explain while I am so tired.

Cheers
KarlB

for the record I think it really depends on dealer....and how many dramas you have already had with the car.

I have a tru trac for the defender but it has currently been put in the disco until the defender is out of warranty

WHY?

because we had 8 diffs fail and we asked if we could pay to have a trutrac put in its place..the answer was NO land rover will void warranty....they said that back in the day you could get away with stuff like that but not any more.

Thats just my experience of course but I have no reason to doubt the man that told me, and the experiences I have I wouldn't go against advice like that either only because I cant afford to fix stuff myself should they say No

Recent posts raise several important points. Any warranty claim will first be assessed by the dealer and some of them are very reasonable and have sensible senior mechanics who judge what modifications that have been made in a realistic way. Others will be not so and you could have a battle on your hand with even minor changes. A business sensible dealer will also be keen to not loose your business so may turn a blind eye to things that would concern another. I think it is a good idea to cultivate a good relationship with your local dealer.

As for lockers: when I bought my current D90 I had a talk to the dealer about modifications and additions to the vehicle. He volunteered examples: that putting lockers on; and chipping the engine, would likely be a problem. I have no knowledge of anyone actually having a warranty claim rejected because of having lockers. The dealer voiced the view that it was probably better to get someone like ARB or an auto-electrician to put in a second battery (again for example) rather than doing it your self as it would be more difficult for LRA to argue that the installation was faulty if there was a major electrical failure.

I find it all a bit concerning that there is no consistency or certainty. And that is why I urge people to tread very carefully. But I will give warranty a break for a while. I promise!

Cheers
KarlB

G'day KARL B.I agree with your comments ,it took me awhile to come to the conclusion that ,just maybe L.R.have it right.My advice is when you first buy the dream join a club and participate in the trips.The driver will normally fail before the vehicle does ,it is invaluable to gain info.from experienced drivers.Last year a brand new Nissan Patrol ,up the Cape,chewed out his rear diff.courtesy of a newly fitted diff-lock.It was driveable only on the front diff.not a happy chap.My advice ,for what its worth,is along the lines of KARL B get to know your vehicle and then decide what is required to improve its performance.Also there no standards required, for after market purchases,like A.D.Rs so choose carefully.I've no doubt you will have a lot of fun with the 90. lochie

[QUOTE=KarlB;1424234]Recent posts raise several import points. Any warranty claim will first be assessed by the dealer and some of them are very reasonable and have sensible senior mechanics who judge what modifications that have been made in a realistic way. Others will be not so and you could have a battle on your hand with even minor changes. A business sensible dealer will also be keen to not loose your business so may turn a blind eye to things that would concern another. I think it is a good idea to cultivate a good relationship with your local dealer.

As for lockers: when I bought my current D90 I had a talk to the dealer about modifications and additions to the vehicle. He volunteered examples: that putting lockers on; and chipping the engine, would likely be a problem. I have no knowledge of anyone actually having a warranty claim rejected because of having lockers. The dealer voiced the view that it was probably better to get someone like ARB or an auto-electrician to put in a second battery (again for example) rather than doing it your self as it would be more difficult for LRA to argue that the installation was faulty if there was a major electrical failure.

I find it all a bit concerning that there is no consistency or certainty. And that is why I urge people to tread very carefully. But I will give warranty a break for a while. I promise!

Cheers
KarlB
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My new Defender arrives later this month and after reading this thread today I decided to ring Bruce Lynton and speak to the service manager.

I asked him re tyres,suspension,lockers and ecu upgrade,now all he had concerns about was the ecu, he recommened against that while it was under warrenty, he continued to say " look common sense applies 2" lift or 255/285 tyres, lockers wont be an issue". Now I am sure if something did break in relation to tyres or lockers you would want the dealer on your side as you probably will run a risk of rejection.

I know I will be taking the risk with tyres, lockers and suspension.

As Pete has said in the past 86 posts I agree with 255/85/16 being the best all round trye for the Defender and will be putting Maxis Bighorns on my Defender as the BFG KM2's are not available till April.