2012 Defender Details released

islu51 · 13th August 2011, 04:17 AM

2012 Land Rover Defender Updated with New 2.2L Turbo Diesel and Additional Option Packages - Carscoop

**Blknight.aus** · 13th August 2011, 05:34 AM

linked from the OP article

Land Rover Rumored to Reveal New Defender Concept in Frankfurt - Carscoop

and from there

must find a way to make the new Defender a credible rival that can command higher prices without losing its legendary character.

wouldnt the smart thing to do be to make it competitive and cheaper? and how about easy to maintain while we're at it.

and

like the 4x4 it intends to replace, it must be versatile and reliable enough to adapt to army use.

I happen to know of a vogon run country thats going to be selling a bunch of landies that fit that bill, do you want to tell them or shall I?

**rick130** · 13th August 2011, 10:36 AM

The Poms will love the low mounted alternator, ideal for mud and creek crossings

**KarlB** · 13th August 2011, 11:33 AM

Doesn't seem that different to the current 2.4, as I would expect. It is essentially the same Ford derived engine:

Cheers
KarlB

**PAT303** · 13th August 2011, 01:07 PM

It's in the same spot as the 2.4,about 3 feet from harm. Pat

**scarry** · 13th August 2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

wouldnt the smart thing to do be to make it competitive and cheaper? and how about easy to maintain while we're at it

They,that is the manufacturers, never ever listen to the guys who work on these things,& everything that has to be "updated"becomes MORE complicated & more expensive

And we are all paying for it,they don't give a rats,it's just sell,sell,sell& more bling factor while we are at it.

**Fluids** · 13th August 2011, 03:21 PM

... but the semi-utilitarian truck we all wish for has been outlawed by legislation that demands levels of saftey & compliance that cannot be avoided in the design & manufacture of the product ...

I mean, if it hasn't got ABS, DSC, TC, ESC, F&R F/S Airbags, blah, blah, blah .... IT ISN'T SAFE TO DRIVE !

... or so they say. Pretty soon they'll have us all riding around in Johny Cabs

It is because of this, that it will never be what you'd hoped it could be

**sashadidi** · 13th August 2011, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

wouldnt the smart thing to do be to make it competitive and cheaper? and how about easy to maintain while we're at it.

A slightly cynical view of a unofficial Land rover repairer here is maybe that also they (land rover and all other car makers)want you to depend on them for the servicing etc via computer software etc only available at the dealers so they can get added value out of charging you for their software via the dealer who have accepted a lower margin on selling the car but are told they can make it up by charging you a massive amount of money to hook up the computer to test you car each service or any time you have a problem thereby by passing the average old bush mechanic or do it your self person. It s a new business model for the car manufacturers and he might have a point I think.

**KarlB** · 14th August 2011, 09:48 AM

From mother's mouth: NEW DIESEL ENGINE POWERS THE CLEANEST EVER DEFENDER FOR 2012

Cheers
KarlB

**Blknight.aus** · 14th August 2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by sashadidi

A slightly cynical view of a unofficial Land rover repairer here is maybe that also they (land rover and all other car makers)want you to depend on them for the servicing etc via computer software etc only available at the dealers so they can get added value out of charging you for their software via the dealer who have accepted a lower margin on selling the car but are told they can make it up by charging you a massive amount of money to hook up the computer to test you car each service or any time you have a problem thereby by passing the average old bush mechanic or do it your self person. It s a new business model for the car manufacturers and he might have a point I think.

I have no problem with electronics in the engine and computers managing them, Yes its a rorte to have the diagnostics cost so much BUT like everything give it half a generation and someones cracked it and the things are cheap, with laptops getting more powerfull all it takes is someone to come out with a breakout box and your laughing.

I'm referring to Getting to stuff. The engine bay in a deefer is big enough to do circle work with a road train, its physically larger than the one in a series and I can stand in a series engine bay (and a tdi deefer) with the engine still in place to work on it. The new engine is the same capacity as the S2.25D and the TDI300 yet I bet like the Ford defender its going to be jammed in way up the back and tilted over so you cant get to anything easily, all the sub components (like the clutch slave + starter) will be stuck in hard to get to places.

I could understand that on something like a rangie where youve got a V6 and every mod con under the sun hanging from the engine and hydaulic this and pnuematic that to help you drive it like a go kart but Cmon, Its a deefer the heritige is that its utilitarian, you can hose it out, it goes from a-b regardless of whats between the 2 and its easy to work on.

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