Thread: Best Engine Oil For Puma

Originally Posted by rick130

The oil I linked to above is Ford, Jaguar and Land Rover approved (although the spec sheet only lists the 'B' spec) not a mealy mouthed 'meets xyz spec'

That oil conforms to Ford WSS-M2C-934-B, not WSS-M2C-913-B.

Just be careful if your truck is still under warranty and you use a different spec oil. Should anything happen to the engine, LR can refuse a warranty claim based on this.

Originally Posted by rick130

The main reason for the ultra low SAPS levels is to limit buildup in the DPF and CAT, so unless I'm really off track I wouldn't worry about using a mid level SAPS oil in the TDCi.

Mine is 2008, if I De Cat are my options more open.

Allan

Originally Posted by Naks

That oil conforms to Ford WSS-M2C-934-B, not WSS-M2C-913-B.

Just be careful if your truck is still under warranty and you use a different spec oil. Should anything happen to the engine, LR can refuse a warranty claim based on this.

So the '913' is the actual Ford spec for the 2.4, not the '934' ?

If so, looky what I found.

Magnatec Professional.

http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/89...A1%205W-30.pdf

Also Lubri-Moly http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/products/ (2nd brew down, 'B' spec)

Other than that, who else ?

God these specs make things confusing, and from a servicing position it's a nightmare.

[edit] It's even a limited range of lubricants in the UK http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1251-wss-m2c-913-c.aspx

The latest Ford '913-C' spec is very similar to the ACEA A5/B5-08 spec oils according to this specification overview from Lubrizol (one of the worlds largest additive suppliers to oil companies) http://www.lubrizol.com/TwoColumnACE...s=WSS-M2C913-C
My reading is that it's ostensibly a fuel economy oil (HTHS above 2.9mPa, below 3.5mPa) with low deposits, you really wouldn't use it in an engine that wasn't designed for that oil.

I've linked to this doc before, it lists Fords reasons for going down this path with their engine oils http://www.atiel.org/members/pdf_files/ACEA%20Stow.pdf

Penrite HPR Diesel 5 meets

Ford M2C153-G/H - This one actually is a Fully Synthetic spec and the HPR Semi meets it!
M2C171-C
Ford M2C-913-B

One of those is for the TDV6 in the RR and Disco3/4.

So i gather it should be easily suitable for a 4 pot ford transit engine.

There are many thousands of opinions to be found on the internet on "the best oil" for whatever. Myself I prefer to use what the vehicle manufacturer recommends and ignore all the technobabble and even advice from the oil company representatives who are often just reading from an application guide and know little of the subject.

In my Australian handbook LR (the COMPANY, not the dealer) state Ford WSS-M2C-913C so that is what I use. Whether it's perfect for Australian conditions or not is not my concern, nor can I ascertain what may constitute a better product given the infinite variables and alternatives. So for peace of mind manufacturer’s spec it is, and it must state compliance on the tin.

Finding Ford WSS-M2C-913C in Australia was the problem. Commonly known as ‘Formula F’ in Europe, Ford Australia don’t sell it. Neither did my dealer.

I searched for months and eventually found Castrol Magnatec A5 Professional 5W-30. Note that it is A5 in Australia, not A1. I would add that even the Castrol helpdesk that I spoke to did not reveal its existence but it is out there if you know what to ask for.

So here it is, the Puma 'Holy Grail', maybe that should be 'holy oil', made specifically to meet the Ford spec.

Rick if this lot confuses you the rest of us (most...) are completely snookered!

So, say we stick to Castrol, which one would be firstly approved and secondly be best on specification:

· Edge Professional C1 5W30
· Magnatec Professional A1 5W30

I live in the sticks up here and I want to order a 20 liter drum or two to keep for intermediate oil changes, but I’ve got 18 months of warranty left that I would like to keep intact.

Cheers,

Lou

Originally Posted by P38ace

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I searched for months and eventually found Castrol Magnatec A5 Professional 5W-30. Note that it is A5 in Australia, not A1. I would add that even the Castrol helpdesk that I spoke to did not reveal its existence but it is out there if you know what to ask for.

So here it is, the Puma 'Holy Grail', maybe that should be 'holy oil', made specifically to meet the Ford spec.

And listed two posts above

BTW, how on earth is someone supposed to meet warranty requirements if LR or Ford don't even stock the stuff ?

[edit] actually it's the same situation with the g/box oil too, and the PDF spec sheet above for the Castrol Mag Pro is a Kiwi sheet hosted on Castrol Au's website, the correct sheet is here http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/10...18_2010_11.pdf

Originally Posted by P38ace

There are many thousands of opinions to be found on the internet on "the best oil" for whatever. Myself I prefer to use what the vehicle manufacturer recommends and ignore all the technobabble and even advice from the oil company representatives who are often just reading from an application guide and know little of the subject.

In my Australian handbook LR (the COMPANY, not the dealer) state Ford WSS-M2C-913C so that is what I use. Whether it's perfect for Australian conditions or not is not my concern, nor can I ascertain what may constitute a better product given the infinite variables and alternatives. So for peace of mind manufacturer’s spec it is, and it must state compliance on the tin.

Finding Ford WSS-M2C-913C in Australia was the problem. Commonly known as ‘Formula F’ in Europe, Ford Australia don’t sell it. Neither did my dealer.

I searched for months and eventually found Castrol Magnatec A5 Professional 5W-30. Note that it is A5 in Australia, not A1. I would add that even the Castrol helpdesk that I spoke to did not reveal its existence but it is out there if you know what to ask for.

So here it is, the Puma 'Holy Grail', maybe that should be 'holy oil', made specifically to meet the Ford spec.

May I ask what price the 20ltr drum is and how long after ordering it does it become "available" as in W.A. I would have to wait a week or so longer I would think. I am about to remove the cat convertor on my bus , does this give a better range of oils to choose from.

Allan