Thread: To much lift! (Is there any such thing?)

Originally Posted by Symo

Lifed my puma by 2 (and a bit) using lovells srings and shocks - double cardan universal joint - bump stop extensions and caster correction bushes. Drives like a dream and has eneough lift to put my 34 x 8 STT's under it comfortably.

Its a tourer so i dont want anything too extreeeeeme- especially given all the hum drum of late about registering a radically lifted car.

Too true!! I am getting pretty frustrated with my original supplier's lack of response on this now. Dobinson's responded quickly wanting to know bump stop clearances but haven't heard from them since....
From other posts in this thread i'm not sure if this much lift is in fact the correct amount for these coils?

Really I am just wanting to get these springs back and either use it for credit towards 2" coils, or preferably be refunded so I can just stick with 'plan A' which was to go and grab some 110 HD front coils, see how the rear looks, and buy some new shocks. Silly rush of blood thinking I could sneak and extra inch or so of lift had cost me a little bit, and cause more headaches then its worth! Lesson learned

I am interested in your measurements,and the spots you took them from,as they don't really add up.
I have a genuine 3" lift,and my measurements are quite different to what you have quoted.
I also went down a similar route with the same brand coils,and can say I wouldn't use them again.
I have different coils now,and the vehicle is transformed,and the coils haven't sagged like the previous coils did in a very short amount of time.

I use a Woods custom made front shaft with double cardan joint,and use the original flange,unlike when you use a Disco front shaft.

There is no need to use a double cardan joint on the rear shaft,but I did replace the unis with wide angle unis when I found my old shaft flogged out,when I was doing the build.
I run 35's and required minimal body modification to get them to clear,and the vehicle is very stable off road.My suggestion is to do your study into it properly,and to look at what effects any mod you do does.It can be a long process,and frustrating at times,but well worth it,when you get something that really works in the real world,despite what the paper nay sayers say.

Thanks Wayne.
I couldn't agree more on doing the research. Hence my queries regarding bump stop clearances so far above the 65 - 70mm that sems to be the consensus for a standard 110. I believe with the 130 front springs you get to around 100mm, which is already technically a raise, but for me to have nearly 4" on top of that again seemed pretty tall.
I could not agree more with the research comment, to be honest I would fall into the 'over researched' catagory if anything, which makes me being suprised about the final height even more alarming / embarassing
Thanks for saying you also used the coils, good to hear, although not good to hear you got rid of them
I have taken measurements toward the front of the bumpstop. I guess the best way to explain it is from near the front of the diff flat 'pad' area, vertically up to the point I met the bump stop rubber. The flat area on the diff is at a fairly impressive angle now, so no doubt measuring from the rear of the pad will take 10mm or so from my measurements....
When you say my measurements don't add up - does the comparison between say bump stop clearance and hub to guard measurements not add up (in comparison to what you found on your vehicle), or saying it seems a bit weird in general??
As I stated earlier, I was just going to sneak an extra inch in, when 2 inches seems so easy, to ensure a bit more clearance.

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Too much lift (is there any such thing? ) Yes and No!

Pat I measure from the rear of that axle pad up to the bump stop, as this will be the first part to touch. I know Wayne has changed out his dobinson coils and he doesn't like them any more. I have seen Wayne's car in the field and it behaves nicely. I do have dobinsons the ultra flexi coils 3 inch lift and I like them massive difference from standard. With this lift you will need to fit extended brake lines as well. To all of the guys running castor correction bushes, do your self a favour and change to either castor corrected arms or slotted swivel hubs this is much better for articulation.

I'm one of those that don't believe you need to lift a Defender.

Having said that I would not say No to the portal 130 below, exept I'd need a ladder to get in.



Each to their own
and this bloke on the link below seems to have all the answers. Worth a look

Defender suspension lift/Upgrades - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum

Originally Posted by lambrover

Pat I measure from the rear of that axle pad up to the bump stop, as this will be the first part to touch. I know Wayne has changed out his dobinson coils and he doesn't like them any more. I have seen Wayne's car in the field and it behaves nicely. I do have dobinsons the ultra flexi coils 3 inch lift and I like them massive difference from standard. With this lift you will need to fit extended brake lines as well. To all of the guys running castor correction bushes, do your self a favour and change to either castor corrected arms or slotted swivel hubs this is much better for articulation.

Thanks very much for the comments. I have to admit to being a tad jealous of both your Defenders...

Is my height taken as correct then? If so then I will admit I was wrong, and go back to something a bit more sedate. I was only looking to run a 10" stroke shock (lets not go down the path of what I need to do to mounts for different shock, lets just take it as read ), so thought a BSC of about 3" over factory would be fine. I realise castor is my drama, not shock stroke, but seriously - 2" lift (plus of minus any tolerance in what a "2 inch" lift is), fixed with castor bushes. 3" lift - fixed with 6 degree raduis arms, rear arms etc etc??

If I was wrong and do have that amount of lift due to poor research / unrealistic expectations then I'll have a quick feed of humble pie and move on. If not I'd like to get it sorted and get out and about again!!

P.S: Yep - got brake lines sorted (here is a tip - go an look at your old factory rubber hoses if you still have them everyone, mine were due for the bin anyway!) . Thanks.

Originally Posted by goingbush

I'm one of those that don't believe you need to lift a Defender.

Having said that I would not say No to the portal 130 below, exept I'd need a ladder to get in.



Each to their own
and this bloke on the link below seems to have all the answers. Worth a look

Defender suspension lift/Upgrades - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum

Thanks for that link. Every time I see a pic of Equipe 4x4 gear I think its looks dead flash.
Interesting they mention dislocation cones - I have been quoted these as part of my $2.5K 'fit it pack' to get my car pointing up the road correctly again. I have an open measurement of 710mm for +5" Terrafirma shocks (hope i'm not incriminating my supplier before there is a chance to sort this out). Now, I can jack my 110 up until the shock mounts are this far apart, and they aren’t coming loose. Just adds to the frustration is all... Getting this stuff offered to me that I am supposed to blindly bolt in.... Mind you, given my track record with these coils