Traction control is NO substitute for a Locker. Ha!

Speaking of going slow. Recently on soft sand beaches and dunes I found that I could get just as far if not further up dunes idling in 1&2L on the anti-stall than with momentum in 1&2H. With more momentum it seemed to dig holes, push sand and spin rather than simply glide over the top with the tyre tread doing its work. I was at 12psi f and 16psi rear to get a little bit of bulge from the standard Goodyear muddies.

I was surprised as on the sand I have previously use the momentum strategy and was only aiming at trying out the TC when I got stuck when going slow! I didn't stop however and even when bellied on a few dunes the TC worked just enough to put the front wheels on the ground again with just a little bit more throttle as they come off the ground if that makes sense.

I had no issues at all with TC in soft sand which was a surprise given the stories abound.

Yet to try rock tracks too much but am looking to get in the Vic High Country in the new year for a blast. I will have to give this slow and steady a go there too!

RVR110 thanks for the informative post.

Theres nothing wrong with your TC, even if you had an LSD or a rear locker you probably wouldnt have made it through for 3 reasons

1. you were hung up
2. you were badly cross axled
3. either your approach for that line was wrong or you were on the wrong line.

I also suspect that you had the smallest tyres in a section of track thats been well chewed up by 35+ tyres driven redneck style through the same section.

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Theres nothing wrong with your TC, even if you had an LSD or a rear locker you probably wouldnt have made it through for 3 reasons

1. you were hung up
2. you were badly cross axled
3. either your approach for that line was wrong or you were on the wrong line.

I also suspect that you had the smallest tyres in a section of track thats been well chewed up by 35+ tyres driven redneck style through the same section.

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I saw the video again and I think Blknight nailed it. Right at the end someone is talking about the rear diff being hung up. As soon as you reversed and changed lines to get the right rear higher in the rut to clear the diff you made it with ease.

Cheers for the video

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Originally Posted by GlennWA

I saw the video again and I think Blknight nailed it. Right at the end someone is talking about the rear diff being hung up. As soon as you reversed and changed lines to get the right rear higher in the rut to clear the diff you made it with ease.

Cheers for the video

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I'm totally with mark on this one...I too have driven that track a lot I have driven it in my 300tdi disco with no lockers on much smaller tyres than a fender and Ian also drove it with our standard puma with no dramas what so ever.

Yes the track could of been chewed out more but the track especially at the top is always chewed out and it is very very much about how you position your car and the amount of revs used.

Babs I would highly recommend you get. On some trips with Isuzu and low ranger and RVR110 I have off roaded a fair bit with these blokes and they are knowledgable guys.

You will learn a lot if you go out with similar vehicles on the outset, I'm Not saying don't go out with your mates in the Mazda etc...I'm saying bring them a long with a group of landys...

You will be surprised how much you can learn by simply following another puma that is set up much like your own and you will quickly learn the vehicles and your limitations....the car will go a lot of places, you will find that you are the limitation not to be rude :)The booger I'm sure has driven up that track in his series 2 with no lockers or anything. :)

The biggest thing though is I hope you had fun!!!!

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Originally Posted by GlennWA

Right at the end someone is talking about the rear diff being hung up. As soon as you reversed and changed lines to get the right rear higher in the rut to clear the diff you made it with ease.

Cheers for the video

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I didnt hear that (no sound on this computer when its on the big screen) the give away fro me was the way the vehicle stopped and the way the body was moving in relation to the wheels when you stopped making forward progress.

Ok? Just going to clear a few things up.


Tyre pressure I had at 19psi

Yes CDL was engaged I did own a 300 tdi Disco in the past so I am familiar with it.

This was my second attempt you saw in the vid and despite the rear diff hung up at one point, the front drivers side wheel was not turning under load at all, if the traction control would have driven that front tyre it would have been enough to get my rear diff past that sticky point.

The fact is it was not turning that front drivers side wheel at all, despite me going back taking a slightly different line, mind you that whole right side was a rut so not really much room to take different lines.

Admittedly I was reserved in my driving as the drivers side was less than a foot of the side and I was worried about panel damage, but despite my driving capabilities and I am still getting the feel of this truck, I have done plenty of this type of driving and have owned 4wd's the past 22yrs.
The guys in the vid I did not know they just rocked up as I was having my first attempt, so there were plenty of onlookers but no one giving me a spot.

As far as people getting through that part with no lockers or trac control I have my doubts, I'm not calling anyone a liar it probably is possible but to what degree do they get through it, plenty of right foot comes to mind and that's not my style there is just no need for that type of driving. As you can see in the vid the first 300 Defender had no traction aids and did not get that far, I edited his drive as it went for a while, plenty of dust wheels spinning going nowhere. He reversed out wise decision as he could see damage on the cards.

I did try a few revs, but also let the antistall work, I love the gearing in low range perfect for that environment, but the trac is just too slow I climbed a few drop offs and the trac just slipped too much, I know if I was locked it would have been a straight climb no wheel spin.

No offence taken I enjoy reading everyone's comments, keep them coming. Cheers :)

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19Psi I'd have called as too high, Id have thought that 14-15pi would have been about right for that track as it had large sections of soft sand in it.

If you were a foot off either side of that bit of track you would have been putting your tyres right into the holes made by bigger wheel rides.

The reason why the drivers front side wheel wasnt tuning is because it was the one that had all the traction both your back wheels were turning because you were hung on the rear axle and neither of them had enough traction to give you any push. The one wheel that had traction was at its limit of drive, if you had had a locker up the front you probably would have torque steered over to the left and with the rear diff hung up wound up climbing the wall and teetering over.

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Ok? Just going to clear a few things up.


Tyre pressure I had at 19psi

Yes CDL was engaged I did own a 300 tdi Disco in the past so I am familiar with it.

This was my second attempt you saw in the vid and despite the rear diff hung up at one point, the front drivers side wheel was not turning under load at all, if the traction control would have driven that front tyre it would have been enough to get my rear diff past that sticky point.

The fact is it was not turning that front drivers side wheel at all, despite me going back taking a slightly different line, mind you that whole right side was a rut so not really much room to take different lines.

Admittedly I was reserved in my driving as the drivers side was less than a foot of the side and I was worried about panel damage, but despite my driving capabilities and I am still getting the feel of this truck, I have done plenty of this type of driving and have owned 4wd's the past 22yrs.
The guys in the vid I did not know they just rocked up as I was having my first attempt, so there were plenty of onlookers but no one giving me a spot.

As far as people getting through that part with no lockers or trac control I have my doubts, I'm not calling anyone a liar it probably is possible but to what degree do they get through it, plenty of right foot comes to mind and that's not my style there is just no need for that type of driving. As you can see in the vid the first 300 Defender had no traction aids and did not get that far, I edited his drive as it went for a while, plenty of dust wheels spinning going nowhere. He reversed out wise decision as he could see damage on the cards.

I did try a few revs, but also let the antistall work, I love the gearing in low range perfect for that environment, but the trac is just too slow I climbed a few drop offs and the trac just slipped too much, I know if I was locked it would have been a straight climb no wheel spin.

No offence taken I enjoy reading everyone's comments, keep them coming. Cheers :)

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Having driven that more times than I care to remember,I can assure you that many people have driven it in unlocked Defenders,there are even a few Defenders that go where L'cruisers fear to tread:p.Having watched the video a couple of times,you can see where your rear diff has been hung up and when you changed lines you can see where it has dragged for a considerable distance.You are correct in thinking that T/C won't get you as far as lockers,but I think you are under a little misconception as to how the T/C works.I can see a couple of times in the video where it looks like the T/C is just starting to work on the R/H/F wheel,but you have changed your throttle position and the T/C has stopped operating.As John (RVR110) has said,it is all about learning throttle control(and that doesn't only go for T/C) and getting a feel for when it is beginning to work,and then being able to keep it working for maximum benefit.Oh yeah,if you look,I have posted quite a few videos of Landies on that section of track;)

stocko 2wd hilux would have walked it in reverse :p

If TC works same as in D3, ....and DSC disabled, should go anywhere....no need for lockers!!