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    Unhappy Defender Puma 2.2 - voice your issues

    Hi all. I recently purchased the 2013 110 Defender in Nara Bronze. This is one of a small handful of Defenders I have owned & have always been a devout advocate. However, unfortunately I have found the new MY13 Defender to be a little short of the mark. I have had major hassles & are still trying to resolve a long list of issues with the vehicle (less than 40000kms). Land Rover have requested evidence of forums where similar problems with the gearbox, engine, driveline - basically PUMA in general are discussed. I would appreciate anyone that could post on this thread regarding any issues or altercations they have had with Land Rover or with the Defender. Below is a list of problems;

    • Engine revs between gears causing slow & difficult gear changes
    • unjustifiable drive line back lash at only 3000kms
    • drive line vibration in low range
    • underpowered in comparison to the 90 with only 150kms difference in Tare weight.

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    engine revs between gears is very normal it's programmed too do that. slow of course it's 2.2lt. my drive line backlash is a little more the. my discovery td5.

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    My 2010 110 has shocking drive line lash, definitely the worst gear changing Defender I've had out of 3.
    Can be good if it's done slowly but then it'll catch me out and I feel like looking for a cliff to drive it off!
    I made a complaint at the stealers some months back and was told "It's a Defender" as if that makes it alright or acceptable.
    This time though I went in for a slight leak at the transfer case and told them it wasn't acceptable and there's a whole lot of parts they've ordered from the east and UK and she should be right (fingers crossed) by the end of the week.
    Then I'll have it remapped and off we go.......

    AlanH.

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    The driveline lash I had. I adjusted my driving. No clunks now. I tried shorting out the clutch switch, helped a bit but driving in the city was hard.

    Went to dealership and had them update teh PCM. much better. No flat spot in between shifts. I can shift normally now (perhaps slow would be normal in a defender) and I almost never get clunks. I get it when I shift quick tring to see if I can still get it (lol) but otherwise I can drive all day without it.

    With regards to power, sometimes I feel like it goes fast, sometimes I feel like it goes slow. I find it obviously runs better once the engine is warm. But when cold is sluggish and the transmission is rather tight.

    low range I havent really tried, but I get some vibrations at low revs. Which I've found to be normal I think. I got the same sound on my isuzu forward fire truck overseas and the likes. So long as it doesnt fall apart I'll be fine with it.

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    My 2010 110 had 3 rear diffs due to terrible noises coming from them,egr spat it self and back lash was evident but driving style of a defender needs to be different than a Toyota or Nissan to overcome that as personally I find toyota drivelines much more forgiving and user friendly...
    My new 2013 130 has a vibration at certain speeds which I am guessing is the front drive shaft having no lift and still having this noise is quite a concern , rev thing between gears gives me the $##ts big time as I like to change gears slowly so the revs don't know what to do so I done as Loveb done, the 2.2 seems more nippy than my 2.4 but does sometimes seem to drop in power marginally at times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jannion View Post
    Land Rover have requested evidence of forums where similar problems
    I am sure all the folks here will be more than happy to share experiences and fixes.

    But it is not the dealers / Land Rover's concern what other cars have done, and it is even less of your job to find out what other cars are doing on behalf of the dealer.

    I'd be blunt - the dealer sold you the car, they have to sort out what is going on with your car, and get it fixed.

    Sure there are things to get used to, but that is very different than trying to peddle the "that's how a Defender drives" story regardless of fault or fact and hope not to have to fix anything...
    Last edited by FeatherWeightDriver; 5th May 2013 at 06:57 PM. Reason: Clrifying the difference between "how it drives" and lazy dealers... ;-)

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    Lash

    My 2012 90 has very bad backlash but at the 20,000 k service the dealer told me they will replace the thrust washers in the transfer case ( something My Disco 2 didnt need until 200,000ks) at next service 30,000 k or sooner if i desire. My wife seems to get the back lash more than me but to stop it completly one has to drive extremely smoothly.
    Mike

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    oopps almost forgot

    I had the radiator hose problem as well when the clamp wore a hole through the top hose. This seems to have happend to all new 2.2 engines . I met a few other Perth owners last week at the classic car show and all had the same problem. Now with some of these vehicles delivered 12 months after mine one would think that this problem would be fixed either at the factory or in the pre-delivery at the Dealers. The question Begs?????????????????????????????????????????

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defender Mike View Post
    I had the radiator hose problem as well when the clamp wore a hole through the top hose. This seems to have happend to all new 2.2 engines . I met a few other Perth owners last week at the classic car show and all had the same problem. Now with some of these vehicles delivered 12 months after mine one would think that this problem would be fixed either at the factory or in the pre-delivery at the Dealers. The question Begs?????????????????????????????????????????

    Mike
    I shall check my 2013 130 tomorrow and see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defender Mike View Post
    My 2012 90 has very bad backlash but at the 20,000 k service the dealer told me they will replace the thrust washers in the transfer case ( something My Disco 2 didnt need until 200,000ks) at next service 30,000 k or sooner if i desire. My wife seems to get the back lash more than me but to stop it completly one has to drive extremely smoothly.
    Mike
    Our MY13 90 has pretty bad backlash/klunk too since we got it and it's still there at 4k on the clock. I was putting it down to my bad style as I can, and am, minimising it with smoother changes following advice here along with getting more used to the truck. Saying that, changing gear at glacial rates doesn't quite feel right either and I don't want to fall for the "that's how a Defender drives" fob off as FeatherWeightDriver points out. Might be time to investigate further

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