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    TD5 Engine problem,

    Driving along this evening over to a friends house. Probably been ont he road for about 10 minutes, went up a medium incline street in 3rd but not pulling very hard. Engine sounded underpowered, so dropped to second, no change continues to lose power, dropped to first, before coming to complete halt on the road during rush hour. ( i was popular). As it was dying, it sounded rough and unbalanced like not all cylinders were firing.

    i pulled over on a side street using gravity to roll back and parked up quite nicely. Tried to turn the engine over but no joy, cranked but did not fire, engine light, oil light and battery all lit up. Pumped the accelerator 6 times(fuel purge). No obvious wiring heard from the fuel pump. Tried to start again in 5 mins times which resulted after a lengthy crank to turn over again. Engine sounded fine, gave it plenty of revs, turned over fine. sat like this for a few minutes with no problems. Decided to risk continuing the short journey.

    No problems initially, got up the hill, made it about 400 meters, before same problem as before but this time on a slight downward slope. engine start making unbalanced noise as before, lighting up like a Christmas tree on the dash before dieing again. Once again most popular man on the road. found a side street and pulleup. Called it quits this time and got the RACQ out.

    Taken over to Leyland1980 house where we got the diagnostics tool out and gave it a run through. Of course i was unable to replicate the problem again and the Landy started first time and ticked over fine with out any issues.

    Below is a brief (unlikely!) run down of the faults that were picked up by the tool. Ones with a "*" next to them were seen while the Landy was both off and on. The others were only seen while the Landy was on. The ones with the "$$$" afterwards we think might be the more serious ones.

    Landy is a 2004, 170K on it, not an automatic.

    8.2 fuel pump drive over temp. (logged) *
    8.3 taco drive over temp (logged) *
    8.4 gearbox abs over temp (logged) *
    8.5 air con clutch drive (logged)*
    8.6 mil lamp drive over temp (logged)*
    8.7 globe plug relay drive over temp (logged)*
    8.8 gp lamp drive over temp logged *
    10.1 ac fan drive open load (logged)*
    10.2 fuel pump drive open load (logged)*
    10.3 tachometer drive open load (current)*
    10.4 gearbox abs drive open load (logged)*
    10.4 gearbox abs open load. (logged)
    10.5 ac clutch drive OP (logged)*
    10.6 mil lamp open load (logged)*
    10.7 globe plug relay drive open load (logged)*
    10.8 gp lamp drive OP (logged)*
    12.2 fuel pump drive open load (current)* ($$$)
    12.1 ac fan drive op load (current)*

    1.5 driver demand problem logged ($$$)
    2.8 ambient pressure circuit logged ($$$)
    3.7 airflow circuit logged high ($$$)

    4.1 inlet air temp circuit (logged high)
    4.3 coolant temp circuit (logged high)
    8.1 AC fan drive OT (logged)
    12.3 taco drive open load (current). ($$$)
    12.4 gearbox abs drive open load (current)
    12.5 (current)
    12.6 (current)
    12.7 (current)
    12.8 (current)

    14.1 (current)
    14.2 (current)($$$)
    14.3 (current)($$$)

    14.4 (current)
    14.5 (current)
    14.6 (current)
    14.7 (current)
    14.8 (current)

    24.7 auto gearbox (current)

    Any thoughts? Thanks for taking the time to read.

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    The Isuzu 110. Solid and as dependable as a rock, coming soon with auto box😊
    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    I wonder if the fuel pumps dead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch-22 View Post
    I wonder if the fuel pumps dead...
    That was my first thought, given that it happened on hills...
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    i understood it was running but not noisy...could be wrong though. considering it ran out of fuel, twice, and then was able to be restarted, and ran until another hill was encountered . most times when the pump gets to the point of actually stopping the vehicle, then a restart of any description is nigh on impossible.

    did you actually get to listen for any pump noise, at all dexcel?

    jc
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    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    Thanks for the suggestions, we have run a check with the nanocom diagnostic unit.

    It hasn't thrown up anything else besides the 10.2, 12.2 and 14.2 faults which are related to the fuel pump operation.

    is there any other way to check for the fuel pump malfunctioning?

    Thanks

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    We had the same problem with our TD5, it was running fine and it started to lose power and sounded like it was missing and it turned out to be the fuel pump. The pump completely died but the engine still ran without the pump but not very well.

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    I would put my money on the mass air censor. no power, would blow black smoke, wait 15min for it to cool down and drive another 15 or 20 kms then the same thing, then again and called a tow. This ezy to fit part had to be sent from sydney to darwin and cost about $230 plus the 5 days for the mechanic to work it out because it had to be hot to fault, plus accommodation for 5 days, and did I mention the 350 km flatbed ride.
    Got back to work a day late also.
    Has since heard that you may be able to clean them, would need to be a spray. Give it a clean and see what happens.

    3pointa

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinc View Post
    i understood it was running but not noisy...could be wrong though. considering it ran out of fuel, twice, and then was able to be restarted, and ran until another hill was encountered . most times when the pump gets to the point of actually stopping the vehicle, then a restart of any description is nigh on impossible.

    did you actually get to listen for any pump noise, at all dexcel?

    jc
    When i did the fuel purge, i could hear a very slight almost background noise but nothing that sounded very pump or mechanical like.

    We have restarted it another several times since the drop off and had no problems. We have let it just run again (10mins) with no probs. going to see if we can recreate the problem thursday on a stretch of road that atill gets us home if we lose power.

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    try a few hills, if it is the injector sealing washers they will play up under load/ high boost pressures.

    you can drive all day on the flat or just idling around town but it doesn't become apparent until you work it usually.


    jc
    The Isuzu 110. Solid and as dependable as a rock, coming soon with auto box😊
    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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