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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Muppet View Post
    I'm 21, so I still drive a bit stupid
    Could always fit an ATB centre...
    Consider though yesterday I nearly rolled my echo when the rear started trying to overtake me and I ended up in a drainage culvert.
    Disco unlocked is superb on slippery gravel, CDL engaged made it better IMHO, although yes it does understeer a bit more.
    But then I'm in a different boat with a shorter wheelbase and different engine.
    Muppet, an ex-racer here.... ;-)

    And yes, wheel base can make a huge difference to stability.
    The longer the wheelbase, the slower the transitions.

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    Almost an ex-Muppet here
    Hence why the centre ATB is on my list
    However that may be unattractive to the OP as I wouldn't want to go breaking open a nice new LT230....
    A leaky old one like mine however...
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    You worry me sometimes Muppet!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    I disagree, I loathe unnecessary understeer, but I'm in the minority.....
    I loathe the Yanks saying ''billy bob's crew have did adjusted sum air pressure's to get rid of sum of that push on the corners onto the straigh away''. Pat

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    80" wb series one 200HP Detroit locker 2 wheel drive 130kph +on gravel Thats living Bugger now i am thinking free wheeling hubs on the Defender

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    What is it that makes an -unlocked- LT230 (allegedly) so fragile?

    Does the same apply to an LT95?

    I've always been cautions about staying locked too long (eg. leaving soft stuff and forgetting to unlock) and sustaining damage due to wind-up.

    Now you saying I need to worry about both ends of the track?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
    80" wb series one 200HP Detroit locker 2 wheel drive 130kph +on gravel Thats living Bugger now i am thinking free wheeling hubs on the Defender
    Sounds like fun, but what brakes were/are you using?

    Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90@ View Post
    Sounds like fun, but what brakes were/are you using?

    Mike.
    Whats brakes ?11"x3"? Landy drums and shoes Holden dual circuit master cyl and booster over40 years ago
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    Last edited by Ancient Mariner; 6th October 2014 at 09:25 PM. Reason: date

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    Quote Originally Posted by manic View Post
    I've been locked on loose gravel roads, up to around 80/90kph. If I'm on a surface that allows some wheel spin on take off (tdi ), I lock up.

    Did not know 40kph was a recommended limit...
    On the Puma, the label on the dash recommends Max 40 MPH (60km/h).
    I have run the CDL in my 2012 defender up to about 70km/h for short periods on loose gravel. Seems a little more stable

    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    And yes, wheel base can make a huge difference to stability.
    The longer the wheelbase, the slower the transitions.
    That explains why my 90 is so twitchy on the dirt. I did a mad drift thru a corner coming up to a cattle grid the other day. Lets you know you're alive

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    I have found this as good an explanation as any about why it's a good idea to lock your diffs on loose surfaces.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFHCYuPTbfg]Why do Land Rover transmission units fail? - ask the expert - YouTube[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    What is it that makes an -unlocked- LT230 (allegedly) so fragile?

    Does the same apply to an LT95?

    I've always been cautions about staying locked too long (eg. leaving soft stuff and forgetting to unlock) and sustaining damage due to wind-up.

    ...
    Dave Ashcroft sums it up best in his FAQ (read the bit I have bolded):
    I have checked the adjustment but it won't come out of diff lock. Why?This is often reported after recent off roading, the centre diff is there to allow the props to turn at different speeds when cornering to stop drivetrain wind up, the speed difference is quite small and the centre diff gears are only designed to cope with these low speeds. If you are off road on snow or ice and you get wheelspin from one front wheel, what will happen is the rear prop will not be moving, the front will thus be going double speed, this means the small centre diff gears will be spinning like fury and after a matter of only a few seconds the plant gears will friction weld to the cross pins and the gears will fail etc, the result of this is that the diff will then behave as if it is locked as it in jammed with gear debris. The can happen if the driver forgets to lock the centre diff on a low traction surface or due to incorrect linkage adjustment, Please note this failure is not covered under warranty as we deem this driver error, the diff will never fail for any other reason other than excessive spinning, in which case the diff should have been locked by the driver.
    There are plenty of people who have done this, and not just on snow and ice. Yes the LT95 is the same.

    On the contrary, you really don't need to worry about wind up. Like the series LR warnings say, use of 4x4 [read CDL] on road will lead to accelerated tyre wear...


    Quote Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger View Post
    On the Puma, the label on the dash recommends Max 40 MPH (60km/h). ...
    The people who write manuals these days really are idiots - or rather are forced to be by the legal departments of the companies they work for.

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