Thread: Do I really not need to service my Puma for 20,000km?

Well this is a rather emotional thread, isn't it?!
I let a 3.0L petrol motor in a VR commodore go for 20,000 oil changes a number of times and it went gluggy and lumpy and cost me $4000 for a replacement motor so read into that what you will, but as PAT303 said the g/box, t/ case and diffs are the parts so often overlooked and hence susceptible to damage.
The reduced servicing periods are also to promote reduced running costs as cafe latte has intimated. I made the offhand comment to my mechanic that maybe I should trade in the old defender for a late model D3. His answers was blunt and curt - "I wouldn't" Why I asked? "because the newer D3/4's have gearboxes etc that apparently say they don't require oil changes, so they often aren't serviced which means the unsuspecting new owner may be up for a reco gbox with their new pride and joy - everything needs lubrication and servicing (I keep telling the missus that )

QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS - Why would you need to be changing the oil more often if you're doing off road driving? Is that referring to lots of high revving, low range driving or just fire trails, up the Cape peninsular development road type of stuff?
cheers gerald

You don't need to change the oil more,it's got nothing to do with how you use it,it's got everything to with what type of motor it is.On this thread all we have had is people comparing Euro 5-6 engines to 30 year old models,quad bike engines,petrol even though the thread is about diesel and pointless oil sampling,my mate down the pub ZZZZzzzz.All LR diesel engines post Tdi need 10k changes,if you believe 5k changes will make your post Tdi LR diesel engine last longer continue living your fantasy but you are wrong.If you regulary tow,carry heavy loads or work in high ambient temps change to higher quality drive train oils or change them earlier,the diesel motors fitted to our post Tdi LR's do not need less than 10k changes in the same situation,do a search,overheating is the killer,not dirty oil,look their for longevity if engine life is your goal. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

You don't need to change the oil more,it's got nothing to do with how you use it,it's got everything to with what type of motor it is.On this thread all we have had is people comparing Euro 5-6 engines to 30 year old models,quad bike engines,petrol even though the thread is about diesel and pointless oil sampling,my mate down the pub ZZZZzzzz.All LR diesel engines post Tdi need 10k changes,if you believe 5k changes will make your post Tdi LR diesel engine last longer continue living your fantasy but you are wrong.If you regulary tow,carry heavy loads or work in high ambient temps change to higher quality drive train oils or change them earlier,the diesel motors fitted to our post Tdi LR's do not need less than 10k changes in the same situation,do a search,overheating is the killer,not dirty oil,look their for longevity if engine life is your goal. Pat

Yes Pat and here in Aus most of us live in high ambient temps so the oil will need changing more often and 20,000km is just far too long no mater how new the car is especially here in Aus. Each time the engine fires no matter how old or new the engine is contaminants get in the oil, the older the oil the more there are so both heat and contaminants are a factor. Engines are basically the same as they always were under the plastic covers, yes newer engines are a bit more efficient and a bit cleaner but there is no new magic technology to keep the oil clean.
Chris

Originally Posted by cafe latte

Not BS.. In the UK engines will not drive in such hot dusty conditions, many will not go off road even. The engine itself might not like British cold starts, I used to hate the frosty morning too, but the oil I feel will have a harder time here with thermal stresses and more dust, air filters will never stop everything.

Diesels run better when hot. Having moved from the UK to here, I've noticed everything is at running temp a lot quicker. The most wear (and that means lots of fine bits ending up in oils and filters) occurs from cold start up.. I have bought one vehicle over with me.. It has over 400000kms on it. It used to struggle to start in UK winters, filling the yard with smoke, running rough and taking an age to warm up, using oil as it did.. Since being here, it always starts, never smokes, rarely needs glow plugs and does not use oil between changes... Its all designed to run at working temp, and that happens a lot quicker here, so IMO its not BS. Granted, if you're traveling up the Canning you have dust to think about, but otherwise, I wouldn't worry to much!!

Originally Posted by goingbush

The service intervals on my 2013 Iveco Daily 4x4 are 40,000km

It has a 3.0 L CRD engine.

Since then I have purchased the diagnostic interface that allows me to self service. and have been doing 10,000 km oil changes . Now even 5000km past my last service the oil is still translucent brown.

If you want to keep your vehicle long term, and not just for the life of the warranty I'd suggest 10,000km services.

I'm interested in learning more about this "diagnostic interface".
How does it work, how easy is it to install, what does it cost and can I get one for a Defender?
Thanks.

Alan

Originally Posted by Didge

Well this is a rather emotional thread, isn't it?!
I let a 3.0L petrol motor in a VR commodore go for 20,000 oil changes a number of times and it went gluggy and lumpy and cost me $4000 for a replacement motor so read into that what you will, but as PAT303 said the g/box, t/ case and diffs are the parts so often overlooked and hence susceptible to damage.
The reduced servicing periods are also to promote reduced running costs as cafe latte has intimated. I made the offhand comment to my mechanic that maybe I should trade in the old defender for a late model D3. His answers was blunt and curt - "I wouldn't" Why I asked? "because the newer D3/4's have gearboxes etc that apparently say they don't require oil changes, so they often aren't serviced which means the unsuspecting new owner may be up for a reco gbox with their new pride and joy - everything needs lubrication and servicing (I keep telling the missus that )

QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS - Why would you need to be changing the oil more often if you're doing off road driving? Is that referring to lots of high revving, low range driving or just fire trails, up the Cape peninsular development road type of stuff?
cheers gerald

"3.0L petrol motor"...... in a VR?!!..What sort of engine was that?
Pickles.

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Presumably more chance of ingesting more dust, water, koalas, unusual engine/transmission loads, vibrations etc that you would driving around town or up the Hume

I do engine Oil and filter every 5000k, and complete fluids and filter change every 10000k. To many people forget about all the other stuff diff's tranny prop shafts swivel pin housing. even mechanics how do you know there doing everything.
Ohh and radiator flush brakes and clutch :P maybe i will buy shares in Penrite get some of my money back.