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    2.4 Puma - Possible Injector Problem

    Wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to me.

    I have a 2008 2.4 110 Puma with 150,000km's on the clock.

    Recently it has been experiencing a rough idle, this used to only be from cold, however it now does it even after the engine has warmed up in normal driving conditions after coming to a stop.

    It's not that bad, but certainly enough to notice. It slightly surges up then drops and so on consistently. The car drives fine and I haven't noticed any change in performance or fuel economy.

    The only other symptom it's showing is faint whitish smoke from the exhaust and a toxic odor.

    In the last month i have replaced all glow plugs and fitted a new EGR valve so these can be ruled out of the equation. (After removing the old glow plugs and testing them, only 1 out of the 4 was working!)

    Am i right in suspecting that my injectors are on the way out?

    I took it to my mechanic, who is not a LR specialist. He ran a diagnostic check that came up clear, this didn't really surprise me as I have read others who had similar problems not being able to diagnose the issue.

    Do LR dealers or specialists have a tool that can turn off each cylinder individually to narrow the problem injector? My mechanic informs me he knows someone who can test them after pulling them out but charges and arm and a leg, so i'd like to avoid this if possible.

    And finally, injectors for the 2.4 transit seem to be available at much less cost than for a LR, are they exactly the same?

    Thank you in advance!

    Lachlan.

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    G'day Lachlan

    I'm no mechanic, however, I have experienced a range of issues with my '08 110 over the four-and-a-bit years I've owned it. I had some erratic idling with mine which turned out to be contaminated fuel.

    I reckon this is an unlikely cause but worth checking your fuel filter just to eliminate contamination as a possibility. Pretty easy to do, even for those of us still learning our way around the Defender (like me).

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    Thanks mate.

    I forgot to mention, my mechanic inspected the fuel filter, and air sensors and all were fine. And i have run a Wurth Biocide and Injector Cleaner through about 2 full tanks ago.

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    Hunting idle is often a symptom of a Suction Control Valve heading south - they're acommon point of failure on these motors around your mileage (mine went at 125k) and the next stage is a (intermittent) loss of throttle response.

    It may be worth looking into whether this is your issue - I'd suggest you try surfing some Transit forums for more info on this (as well as other possible causes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by n plus one View Post
    Hunting idle is often a symptom of a Suction Control Valve heading south - they're acommon point of failure on these motors around your mileage (mine went at 125k) and the next stage is a (intermittent) loss of throttle response.

    It may be worth looking into whether this is your issue - I'd suggest you try surfing some Transit forums for more info on this (as well as other possible causes).
    Thank you for that, after reading up on the SCV, it could definitely be the potential problem.

    I hope that is it rather than injectors!

    Did you have any smoke or strong smell from your exhaust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keath View Post
    Thank you for that, after reading up on the SCV, it could definitely be the potential problem.

    I hope that it is rather than injectors!

    Did you have any smoke or strong smell from your exhaust?
    Not that I noticed - what type of smell are you noticing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by n plus one View Post
    Not that I noticed - what type of smell are you noticing?
    I'm not too familiar with different diesel odors, but it just smells toxic. I used to be able to leave the car running inside a garage without noticing any bad fumes, now i can smell the car running from 20m away if i'm downwind.

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    I had issue's with mine a while ago.
    The RACV made LR take the injectors and pump out and have them tested by a guy in Clayton. All returned with the ok.
    I'm not sure who you've got over your way, but maybe you could track a similar bussiness over there.
    My problem was eventually solved with the replacement of the ECU. I'm not sure how much the testing cost, as mine was all done under insurance/warranty, and as such, the tester was presented with the single parts, not the car to deal with.
    There's also a place in Sydney which rebuilds them too, which is what I looked into as I kept getting told the Ford ones wont work in my car. Having said that, no-one would actually tell me WHY they would'nt match. All sounded a bit sus to me.

    On the up-side, in my garage, I have 4 injectors and a fuel pump for later use if anything does happen to mine.

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    My 2009 130 is exhibiting similar symptoms. Has been very noticeable on the recent frosty mornings. The 'toxic' smell is normal and I'm told is characteristic of common-rail diesels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POD View Post
    My 2009 130 is exhibiting similar symptoms. Has been very noticeable on the recent frosty mornings. The 'toxic' smell is normal and I'm told is characteristic of common-rail diesels.
    Yes mine only really became prevalent with the colder weather.

    How many clicks are you up to?

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