2.2 puma 130 engine failure

What is it with people thinking the 2.2 is not big enough to be in the puma????

Ive said it a million times:

I am the GM at a building supplies company that also provides transport and logistic solutions both to site and to other building yards. All our 3 and 5 ton tippers are 4 cylinder diesel turbo. Most people on this site would claim that they are all under powered bla bla bla.......they carry max payload daily, all day everyday all year round, they have more than 250,000kms on the clock and are going strong. Our bogeys are 6 cylinder diesel turbo and our truck and dogs are 6 cylinder diesel turbo also (truck size engines).....you see the idea is to have an engine with a long bore and stroke that is happy to chug along all day (that is over simplified). Massive power and torque equals massive mechanical bills....the trick is to have an engine strong enough to pull max pay load reliabily without destroying components!

The v8 in the crusier is a waste of money, inefficient , waste of diesel and a heavy boat anchor....ford transits clock just as many if not more kms than v8 cruisers without any drama world wide.........so whats wrong with the 2.2???

My only complaint is it is heavily down tuned from factory. Nothing a intercooler and remap cant fix. My only advice is to delete the egr, it is poison for any engine! In fact ive had truck reps tell me (under the table) that if a truck engine had a life expectancy of 750,000kms as a example that the egr can take as much as 30% away from that life expectancy.

Ive had issues with my puma, alot more than most and too many to list, but i am now adamant all are sorted and its thanks to the relationship i built with my dealer. These vehicles are hand assembled, some get lucky others do not. But if it gets sorted its a great truck!

Other than the egr the axles are the only bad thing on this vehicle, hd flanges sorts this


My 2 cents

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Being in the earthmoving and forestry industry, I know of as many people with V8 cruisers with issues as any other vehicle, the defender fits my bill 100% aside from it being underpowered, but I can handle that if I get the reliability and longevity out of the Utes that I pay for and expect.. 1.3million km between the other 3 defenders I run is what I am use to. It's the manufacturing process and a lack of quality control that drives me nuts, it's this lack of detail that the Japanese and euro manufacturers have got nailed.
I've considered other options including 4wd trucks, cruisers, F350 etc but the only one that can do what the defender does is the cruiser, but with a $35k premium, the FTrucks won't get up the firetrails I work on, nor will the Isuzu 4WD trucks, and forget the run of the mill Utes, I need 3.5t towing and a 1ton+ payload.

I feel sorry for you, honestly mate all i can recommend is trying to work with your dealer to try and get LR to pay for it.

If LR is unwilling to help i would look at the lemon laws, although this is clutching at straws. I would put a report together of all your issues since bought and argue that you bought a dud. Like i mentioned this would be difficult but could potentially get LR to come to the party.

I wish you good luck

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Originally Posted by 1nando

What is it with people thinking the 2.2 is not big enough to be in the puma????

Ive said it a million times:

I am the GM at a building supplies company that also provides transport and logistic solutions both to site and to other building yards. All our 3 and 5 ton tippers are 4 cylinder diesel turbo. Most people on this site would claim that they are all under powered bla bla bla.......they carry max payload daily, all day everyday all year round, they have more than 250,000kms on the clock and are going strong. Our bogeys are 6 cylinder diesel turbo and our truck and dogs are 6 cylinder diesel turbo also (truck size engines).....you see the idea is to have an engine with a long bore and stroke that is happy to chug along all day (that is over simplified). Massive power and torque equals massive mechanical bills....the trick is to have an engine strong enough to pull max pay load reliabily without destroying components!

The v8 in the crusier is a waste of money, inefficient , waste of diesel and a heavy boat anchor....ford transits clock just as many if not more kms than v8 cruisers without any drama world wide.........so whats wrong with the 2.2???

My only complaint is it is heavily down tuned from factory. Nothing a intercooler and remap cant fix. My only advice is to delete the egr, it is poison for any engine! In fact ive had truck reps tell me (under the table) that if a truck engine had a life expectancy of 750,000kms as a example that the egr can take as much as 30% away from that life expectancy.

Ive had issues with my puma, alot more than most and too many to list, but i am now adamant all are sorted and its thanks to the relationship i built with my dealer. These vehicles are hand assembled, some get lucky others do not. But if it gets sorted its a great truck!

Other than the egr the axles are the only bad thing on this vehicle, hd flanges sorts this


My 2 cents

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its not how many cylinders it has, its the size of the engine! 2.2L 4cyl vs a 3.9L 4cyl. I'd pick the 3.9L anyday:)

1. Agree with Vern, small engines work harder for more power. I have a td5 and it has been excellent, just maintenance items despite some fairly rough treatment (including a drowning). So look, the ford and land rover engines obviously do the job, and let it be known that Im not so e toyota fan, but it seems like land rover is going backwards.

Yeah the 2.2 is good to go, sure, but wouldnt you rather the 3.2 from the ranger?

2. Defender set up is excellent, and i think the best for a ute off road. Can take big loads and go rough places. Ive taken perenties to some far out places FULL of gear and theyve never let me down. But thats a farm implement by comparison.

Maybe try an exarmy mog? Now THOSE will go anywhere!

Sorry to hear about this problem but i have to agree the quality control is certainly lacking in the newer models. I 5hink you have answered your own question they are the best vehicle for the job and once the engine problem is sorted it will be business as usual. Asking any other vehicle to do what a defender 130 will do in the rough stuff carrying a load is a waste of breath.

Take a deep breath and it'll pass...☺

Jc

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Originally Posted by Wicks89

Geez man that sucks! It's so frustrating with these sort of things because the defender design (solid axles and coils) has so much promise but just gets let down by a weak engine and driveline combo.
They talk about emissions regs but somehow Toyota can build a 4.5l v8 diesel?
I dunno for your work I'd go with some sort of Isuzu truck if I could. But I'm guessing there's a reason you haven't already.

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Absolutely,and Toyota has never had driveline issue's ever ;). Pat

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Originally Posted by Summiitt

Being in the earthmoving and forestry industry, I know of as many people with V8 cruisers with issues as any other vehicle, the defender fits my bill 100% aside from it being underpowered, but I can handle that if I get the reliability and longevity out of the Utes that I pay for and expect.. 1.3million km between the other 3 defenders I run is what I am use to. It's the manufacturing process and a lack of quality control that drives me nuts, it's this lack of detail that the Japanese and euro manufacturers have got nailed.
I've considered other options including 4wd trucks, cruisers, F350 etc but the only one that can do what the defender does is the cruiser, but with a $35k premium, the FTrucks won't get up the firetrails I work on, nor will the Isuzu 4WD trucks, and forget the run of the mill Utes, I need 3.5t towing and a 1ton+ payload.

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I can understand you disappointment , and frustration . Over the years you have been a strong supporter to the brand . I can remember you tying to get the air out of a dt5 . When I read this , I'm thinking I have a new 2.2 will I have similar problems down the track ? Land Rover are very slow telling us about the replacement Defender . That's doesn't help you , So I hope you can get your motor replaced by Land Rover . Please keep us informed how you go !!.. Jim

1.3 million km between 3 Defenders is great. Sounds like they work hard. One has let you down but it's inevitable some day one will let you down. Defenders are spiritual beasts. They don't want to let you down but just like people sometimes they do but you forgive them because most of the time they don't. Keep working them hard. They like it.

Vern:

But if you take a 3 tonner into consideration with a total GVM of 5.5 ton and compare it to a 110 with a GVM of 3.125 ton (i thinks its in and around that) then 2.2 looks around being on the money.......

The v8 cruisers engine is twice the size of the 300 series hino, literally. Could it pull what the little 3 tonnner does? Day in and day out all year round, doubt it.

The 3.2 is a unproven engine, time will tell if it lasts. The 2.2 transit engine has done the milage


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