Thread: Td5 vs tdci

Originally Posted by debruiser

I have a Puma, and I love it.
I would give my left leg for bonnet vents! would even sacrifice the AC for it.

I've never driven a TD5 so I guess my opinion is almost invalid but I like my 2.2TDCi (i've got a D90) most of the time it has enough power although there is always that time it'd be great to have just a bit more. The gearbox is great, like someone else mentioned, it gives you a gear for everything it's just up to you to pick the right one. In saying that though, city driving can be a PIA if your like me and use 5th around town, it's an extra shift every time you stop/start and I'm sure that all the drivers who follow me hate when I change to 2nd at 10km/hr...

If I had to re-power my D90, then I would seriously consider shoehorning a 3.2 from a ranger into it, but then of course I'd probably need all those fancy tough axles and stuff.

The 2.2 is a great engine, it is however down tuned in the defender. LR has done this intentionally becuase of poor fuel in certain markets.
A decat, intercooler and remap will increase your HP to around 150 and torque to about 450. This pretty much puts it on par with the 3.2

Originally Posted by 1nando

The 2.2 is a great engine, it is however down tuned in the defender. LR has done this intentionally becuase of poor fuel in certain markets.
A decat, intercooler and remap will increase your HP to around 150 and torque to about 450. This pretty much puts it on par with the 3.2

that sounds like a lot of money.... saw the group buy for the remap $2000 wasn't it.... ouch. yes I know I just mentioned buying a 3.2, but that was IF i needed a new engine, I wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

The TD5 was also released in a low state of tune, to cope with crap diesel in some markets. So it takes mild chip upgrades & bigger intercoolers without any loss in reliability.

If you run the tank dry, a TD5 will self prime & start. What does the Puma handbook say - take it to a dealer?

As for Tdi running costs, been there done that. The clutch is too small, pumps & injectors need attention every 100,000 kms or so, head gaskets about every 160,000.

Just an aside I had a look at a Puma, couldn't find the inertia switch. Do they have one?

Regards
Max P

Originally Posted by Tusker

The TD5 was also released in a low state of tune, to cope with crap diesel in some markets. So it takes mild chip upgrades & bigger intercoolers without any loss in reliability.

If you run the tank dry, a TD5 will self prime & start. What does the Puma handbook say - take it to a dealer? Haven't tested it, but they are supposed to 'self-prime', I thought I read somewhere that the computer shuts them down just before they run out so it's just a matter of tossing in some more fuel and restarting

As for Tdi running costs, been there done that. The clutch is too small, pumps & injectors need attention every 100,000 kms or so, head gaskets about every 160,000.

Just an aside I had a look at a Puma, couldn't find the inertia switch. Do they have one? No idea.... dealer didn't tell me about one, he was pretty comprehensive in his handover, so i'll assume no.

Regards
Max P

My thoughts in Blue....

Originally Posted by Tusker

The TD5 was also released in a low state of tune, to cope with crap diesel in some markets. So it takes mild chip upgrades & bigger intercoolers without any loss in reliability.

If you run the tank dry, a TD5 will self prime & start. What does the Puma handbook say - take it to a dealer?

As for Tdi running costs, been there done that. The clutch is too small, pumps & injectors need attention every 100,000 kms or so, head gaskets about every 160,000.

Just an aside I had a look at a Puma, couldn't find the inertia switch. Do they have one?

Regards
Max P

Actually, if the puma runs out of diesel it keeps the system primed also. As far as i know LR has kept this feature since the td5.

Originally Posted by debruiser

that sounds like a lot of money.... saw the group buy for the remap $2000 wasn't it.... ouch. yes I know I just mentioned buying a 3.2, but that was IF i needed a new engine, I wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

It costs about $3500 fitted and tuned. Thats a lot i know, but when you consider the cost of other modifications it really isnt that much. A new engine would cost twice that amonut.

Originally Posted by Wicks89

If the tdci wasnt any better than the td5 at anything, they never would have changed it.

I thought that change, like just about every engine change in the last couple of decades was done to meet emissions regulations, not necessarily because it was a better engine.

Originally Posted by 1nando

It costs about $3500 fitted and tuned. Thats a lot i know, but when you consider the cost of other modifications it really isnt that much. A new engine would cost twice that amonut.

the remap isn't plug and play????