Thread: Td5 vs tdci

Have heard similar from tuners
But I openly admit I'm biased toward the td5 and nearly every post I'll make in this thread is firmly tongue in cheek

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Originally Posted by rick130

Only what I've been told, but talking to a customer of Bruce Davis and on another occasion a couple of his mechanics and they all said that Bruce and his boys reckon the TD5 probably has more potential and will take more abuse (in terms of able to handle power and torque and stay together) compared to the Tdci.
It was a very impressive design, quite ahead of it's time compared to most all other manufacturers light diesels.
That chat with Bruce's mechanics was from about three years ago so they might think differently now, but they were pushing crazy numbers out of a TD5 test mule on the dyno just to see what it'd take.

I would put that down to the level of electronics. The td5 is in my opinion an easier engine to tune.
The tdci is already pretty well setup from factory, there is many different tune levels depending on the vehicle it ends up in.
The bowler defenders are making around 170 to 200 hp and 500 to 550nm without any issues at all.

Originally Posted by rangieman

Yes there are some issues with the puma as i have had some time under the bonnet with a forum member to help . The most silly ones are the coolant & turbo hose layout with built in rubbing points which is just dumb in a 4wd. Even your upgraded turbo hoses still rub holes and leave you stranded .

Just in regards to the rubbing points we all face in the Pumas, I came across this self bonding silicone tape...I keep a couple of rolls handy just on the off chance when I'm out bush
Hopefully it will do the job to get me back to civilisation!

Rescue Tape - Fix It All with Silicone Rescue Tape

And just on point, all Defenders are awesome...as long as there is a wave!!

Originally Posted by Wicks89

I think the td5 and tdci comparison is a little apples and oranges really. I mean, 1999 vs 2007 you know?
If the tdci wasnt any better than the td5 at anything, they never would have changed it. So thats that, a tdci will blow off my td5. But so it should.

Actually, the changes are often down to new legislation on new car requirements (emissions, pedestrian safety etc). And then there's the owner change overs. Ford stuck their lump in there because it was on their shelves. The td5 was a landrover engine built for purpose as was the TDI.

Puma v Td5
Plus and minus points,
Far better interior, heated seats heated screen, aircon, and rear seats. TD5, more seats, front vents, easier to replace screen..
Exterior puma, prettier paint on limited editions , more metal skin, rest same. Td5 last defender you can put tyre on bonnet.
Suspension/drivetrain, puma sway bars, angles make lift more of a PIA, early feel breather position. Td5 easier to modify/lift, until end 2002 Salisbury diff which is stronger, no sway bars.
Engines, stock puma better, modified??????

Personally own a Td5 nine seat, but would happily have a puma AS WELL.
If a local could cost 3.2td5 conversion to older defenders we could have the best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by Black 110

Just in regards to the rubbing points we all face in the Pumas, I came across this self bonding silicone tape...I keep a couple of rolls handy just on the off chance when I'm out bush
Hopefully it will do the job to get me back to civilisation!

Rescue Tape - Fix It All with Silicone Rescue Tape

And just on point, all Defenders are awesome...as long as there is a wave!!

Yes great stuff i carry some just in case i travel with someone driving a puma
But it still is not a good engineering design with the tdci . Maybe every tdci should come with some rescue tape in the glovebox standard oh thats right puma`s dont have a glovebox

Originally Posted by rick130

Only what I've been told, but talking to a customer of Bruce Davis and on another occasion a couple of his mechanics and they all said that Bruce and his boys reckon the TD5 probably has more potential and will take more abuse (in terms of able to handle power and torque and stay together) compared to the Tdci.
It was a very impressive design, quite ahead of it's time compared to most all other manufacturers light diesels.
That chat with Bruce's mechanics was from about three years ago so they might think differently now, but they were pushing crazy numbers out of a TD5 test mule on the dyno just to see what it'd take.

No offence to Bruce but he changed my timing belt and left the top rad hose clamp off almost destroying my engine no more than a dozen k's down the road,and he refused to do anything about it . Pat

I've only ever spoken to him on the phone Pat, many, many years ago.

I actually ran into two of his mechanics at a movie shoot !
They were supplying and looking after the period vehicles and were checking out the 130 in the car park at the wardrobe fitting so we got talking.