Thread: Defenders on "Car Sales."

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

In the latest LROI John Pearson said he was told by a JLR insider recently that the new Defender would be delayed until 2020 after the directors rejected the proposal as being too much like a Range Rover and told the designers to come up with something more like a Defender. Interesting...
I'd rather they delayed to get it right than hurried and botched it.

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See what I mean, the designers have no idea. They will be proposing all sorts of lame / fancy ideas, when they simply should be focussing on rebuilding /modernising the Defender in exactly the same proportions with a few minor interior tweaks to accomodate bigger bodies. The exterior dimensions should remain exactly the same. ...then we may see pre 2016 Defender prices come down. But they won't because they don't have any designers who understand the beauty of simplicity, or what a basic work vehicle needs to be. The culture at Land Rover now is for gizmos not grit.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

No worries.
I wish that you were right, because I don't want another vehicle named "Defender" either,...I think that the models we have "stand for something", and I think that any "New" Defender will be different, a bit removed from what we now have.
So, I think that there should be a new name for for the "new" vehicle, to distinguish it from the old generation Defender.
However, I believe, and remember I don't want it either, that there will be a "New" Defender,...and I reckon We'll know about it in 2018.
Who will be right,...You, or me?,....As they say, "Time Will Tell"!
Pickles.

Cheers Pickles, I reckon time is already telling. It has been for years now. All the focus has been on luxury models. ...2020 at the earliest, but that design will most likely be rejected too. Long live Defender, get one while you still can!

PS: there are still plenty of Defenders on carsales with low kms, heaps of extras for reasonable prices IMO. Some are crazy high, but most simply reflect the reality that demand will grow as there is no more supply. Interestingly prices are now comparable with Toyota Troopy prices, which is probably closer to what they should always have been.

Good grief.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Good grief.

X2.

Just wondering how can-am can get away calling their Atv a defender?

Also babs, sorry to see you go, good luck in finding a suitable defender to do a heart transplant to

Originally Posted by MrLandy

See what I mean, the designers have no idea. ...... in exactly the same proportions with a few minor interior tweaks to accomodate bigger bodies. The exterior dimensions should remain exactly the same. ........

Well, MrLandy, I don't know about exactly the same proportions. Firstly, I'd like to see the B pillars further back, a higher windscreen, no water leaks whatsoever, some sound insulation, better handbrake and window winder placements, quieter, internal padded roll cage or body that will retain it's shape in the event of a rollover, internal airbags, better rear seat positions, the wings should open with the bonnet so we can access that wasted area, etc, etc. There are heaps of improvements that could be made for little or no extra cost. Merc and Toyota are able to produce cars of a similar shape that have addressed all the above yet JLR state we can't have airbags due to the current shape - why?

Originally Posted by frantic

Just wondering how can-am can get away calling their Atv a defender? Also babs, sorry to see you go, good luck in finding a suitable defender to do a heart transplant to

Cheers Frantic,

I definitely want to do that transplant, though no rush.

Also I won't be leaving the forum, it looks like I have a new SDV6 D4 lined up, so I'll still be hanging around.

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