Thread: Review of (an idiots guide to) puma engine oil

Originally Posted by mrs

Had a good chat with a Castrol rep re oil for my TD5 and his comment was that A spec is more fore American and Japanese diesels, B is euro diesels non DPF and C is Euro with DPF. The TD5 and Puma both would be considered Euro Diesels

Except that a ford engine is not a euro diesel.

I know there is a supposedly a correct oil to use, but the vehicle manual simply says Castrol 5W30. Any of those 3 Castrol Professional 5W30's listed would be fine i assume. Im no oil expert but if Castrol suppliers cant even tell the difference maybe there is no real difference between them?

The two different tin labels above for A5 Professional, say they meet Ford WSS M2C 913 C.

The TDCi is designed and manufactured in the UK,unless someones moved it the UK is still in Europe.. Pat

Pat
Best I can find online the Ford engine plant that makes the tdci is in turkey

S

Simples. Ring dealer. Ask what they use.
Hang up.
Ring distributor and order a can!

You can get the correct oil spec from most brands, valvoline, nulon, penrite etc at all the local auto shops. Some come in 5-30 and others 5-40 but all meet the requirements.

Some truck spares shops sell the correct oil also. I got a 20l drum of Castrol magnatec A5 5-30 with the correct spec from south coast truck spares in NSW for under $200 delivered in Perth by the local Castrol rep.

I'll order a 1l bottle from opies oils in the UK and that's 3 oil changes done.

Cheers

No DPF,you can use valvoline Synpower FE 5w 30.

Suits disco 4 2.7 as well.

Found at any Supercheap,Autobarn,5 litre containers.

It is also what MR auto were using.

So to clarify, the FORD spec for puma (Tdci) with/without DPF is:
SAE 5W-30 engine oil (With DPF) -----> 5W/30 - WSS-M2C934-B
SAE 5W-30 engine oil (Without DPF) ----->5W/30 - WSS-M2C913-B or C (C is backwards compatible with

The ford spec is different to the euro ACEA specs. Ford spec is just an endorsement of compatability. ACEA spec is the equivalent to the American API authority, although they use different grading systems.

From general consensus, Ideally the chosen oil should be a ACEA 'C1' spec oil (Low SAPS) for use with DPF, but not a concern for non-DPF vehicles, where a B series oil will do. SAPS is the Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur content- These were traditional lubricant additives in years past, but can cause issues with clogging/ damaging the DPF, hence on ACEA C class oils, this lubricity comes from other additives.

Interesting diagram below

Sauce NB the Ax designator relates to petrol, Bx designates diesel. The C rating is for catalyst compatability.

Also of note, the HTHS (High Temperature, High Shear) viscosity.
This source states:
HTHS is a measure of how well oil protects in the toughest environments your engine creates- areas where the temperature is highest and the friction is the greatest. Lower HTHS viscosity generally means a thinner oil which can improve fuel economy by reducing the amount of horsepower required to pump it throughout the engine. But a lower HTHS viscosity also usually comes at the expense of wear protection.

I presume C1 is preferred (Low HTHS), as the euro diesel valvetrain, pump and other accessores would (I hope) require, and benefit from the viscosity profile of this grade.
As with anything relating to the ACEA standards, probably best to go to the ACEA Website with any specific queries.

Wow, glad to hear that I'm not alone in being confused by the engine oil for the Puma motor. I tried looking up this morning what to use in our 2011 2.4.

What I did note is that the following is recomended by brands online lube guides:
Penrite ENVIRO+ C4 5W-30 (Full Synthetic) < ENVIRO+ C4 5W-30 (Full Synthetic) >
Valvoline SynPower ENV C1 Synthetic Engine Oil 5W-30 < ENV C2 | Engine OIl | Full Synthetic | Valvoline | Valvoline.com.au >
Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF 5W-30 < Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF 5W-30 | Shell Australia > - they're Premium recommendation.
Shell Helix HX7 SN 10W-30 < Shell Helix HX7 SN 10W-30 | Shell Australia > - they're Standard recommendation.

Castrol however just refers you to their Technical phone line, Nulon advises that engine oil product is not available and Mobil refers you to the vehicles dealer.

At present I'm looking to go with the Penrite option as it's available off the shelf at some Repco stores and Super Cheap Auto < Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil - 5W-30, 10 Litre, C4 - Supercheap Auto >. No special ordering required and price wise is comparative with what others have paid for Castro Professional oil per litre.