Thread: 2014 Puma loss of clutch

Originally Posted by ian4002000

Ps Ritters also changed the clutch master cylinder to ensure all will work well for another 100k's or more.
and the clutch is working great.

Ian
Bittern

What i can't believe is these LR parts only last this sort of mileage,or less.
One of reasons the Defender in my sig is going.Its had the clutch,master cylinder,transfer case,gearbox seals,output shaft,etc,etc,etc.

We have 4 work vans ATM,all bought new,manuals,two have over 300 000k on them,one has 170K,one98K.Brand you can guess.
None have had anything done to the engine, drivetrain,clutch components,suspension,or brakes.
Just regular services,batteries,and tyres.
Mostly driven around town and loaded almost on GVM.

Sure they don't go off road,but nor do a lot of Defenders.

Yes the lifespan of some of these parts is very disappointing, My 130 has had long runs all its life and is not a daily driver in a city, i was very suprised to find the clutch fluid gone.
I am even more disappointed with the clutch plate as it was the clutch plate springs that failed, and someone designed it with some very little springs in it which just seems stupid to me.
My old tractor still has the original clutch plate after 55 years and it had done a lot more work than my 130 ever will.

Ian
Bittern

Mate had Defender towed to garage today. Yep, slave cylinder is cactus.

Interested to find out what he gets quoted.

Originally Posted by scarry

What i can't believe is these LR parts only last this sort of mileage,or less.
One of reasons the Defender in my sig is going.Its had the clutch,master cylinder,transfer case,gearbox seals,output shaft,etc,etc,etc.

We have 4 work vans ATM,all bought new,manuals,two have over 300 000k on them,one has 170K,one98K.Brand you can guess.
None have had anything done to the engine, drivetrain,clutch components,suspension,or brakes.
Just regular services,batteries,and tyres.
Mostly driven around town and loaded almost on GVM.

Sure they don't go off road,but nor do a lot of Defenders.

Many of these items you have replaced are made by other well known parts manufacturers, I had to replace my clutch recently as it was slipping and I was thinking an oil seal weep but no it wasn't.
When I removed the clutch/ pressure plate I was surprised to see no sign of oil contamination and I could still see the brand stamp across the clutch lining as there was next to no wear at all.so why had it started slipping?
The reason was the pressure plate springs had weakened on a vehicle that had only done 120,000 klms and very little city driving, the brand of clutch was the well know Valeo, needless to say I will never use this brand again.
The moral of the story in that in many cases it is the outside parts suppliers to landrover that are the weak points and not the vehicle maker!

Originally Posted by pjh4159

Many of these items you have replaced are made by other well known parts manufacturers, I had to replace my clutch recently as it was slipping and I was thinking an oil seal weep but no it wasn't.
When I removed the clutch/ pressure plate I was surprised to see no sign of oil contamination and I could still see the brand stamp across the clutch lining as there was next to no wear at all.so why had it started slipping?
The reason was the pressure plate springs had weakened on a vehicle that had only done 120,000 klms and very little city driving, the brand of clutch was the well know Valeo, needless to say I will never use this brand again.
The moral of the story in that in many cases it is the outside parts suppliers to landrover that are the weak points and not the vehicle maker!

We will have to agree to disagree.

Many of these issues occur with parts fitted to the new vehicle,as has happened to the Deefer in my sig.And a huge number of others on this site.
And on others with OEM,genuine LR parts.

At a guess I would think the manufacturer would know what type of quality the parts they fit to vehicles would be?And their genuine spares?

The work vehicles I was talking about also have numerous parts that are sourced from different manufacturers.
I would suggest,from my experience and from many others on here,that these manufacturers fit much better quality parts to their vehicles,and their spare parts are also of that quality.

Surely LR can do the same?

In fact if you look at OEM,genuine clutches for the Puma range of Defenders,there has been numerous OEM part number changes for the clutch assembly over the years.And they are still having issues.Surely the vehicle manufacturer has to take the blame,quality control and design is their issue,as much as the parts supplier.
Surely the vehicle manufacturers parts have to be designed to a particular specification?

After 70 years plus,surely LR should have had these issues sorted.

Anyway,moving on,thankfully the later LR vehicles and their parts generally are a much better quality,than the last Defender run,as an example.

*Common failure on a Defender TDCi (puma).
*The clutch slave and throw/release bearing are a complete unit, full hydraulic, which gives them a light clutch pedal when compared to older Defender models.
*If its done round 50K (I say to customers 70K on wards) then the adapter shaft between the gearbox and transfer case is about to fail anyway, so do that at the same time.
The updated release bearing/slave, hydraulic valve should be installed (listed below), these seem to resolve the slave failure.
*AND, due to the amount of failures now on the 2.2 I would suggest a new clutch assembly (cover, plate) as they now seem to be failing like the 2.4.

DEFENDER TDCI PUMA 2.4 2.2 CLUTCH
LR068981 Adapter
LR068979 Cylinder - Clutch Slave
LR068982 Valve - Control
LR048731 SACHS CLUTCH ASSEMBLY

Adapter shaft MT82 kit from Ashcroft

Cost: complete clutch job round $2000
add cost if done at same time: adapter shaft kit round $900

P.S and don't be suckered into "it needs a gearbox or transfer case rebuild" This is rarely the case on the Defender TDCi (puma) model with low km's.
I would trust Rovertech as the only other Land Rover repairer in Perth.

Has he heard on price yet Samblers??

Pretty sure my slave is on the way out. I felt a soft clutch and pulled over, no fluid in reservoir, topped it up and while it feels different it’s still working. There is a drain on the bottom of the bell housing where you can seen the fluid dripping out. (for future reference??)

I’d be interested to hear how it goes, I’m still 750km away from home and hoping it’s gonna make it back....

So the new slaves are better/last longer??

With 90,000km on the clock should I be gong a new clutch as well?

(already got the Ashcroft output shaft)

Thanks for all the info thus far!!

J

Originally Posted by Juff

So the new slaves are better/last longer??

With 90,000km on the clock should I be gong a new clutch as well?

Yes, all as per my last post