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Originally Posted by manic
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Sound much better to me.Quote:
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Interesting post.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic
Let me put it another way
Sound much better to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick's Take
Australia wont have any say on the matter, China is Leading the world in the move to all electric and the rest of worlds Auto manufacturers are having to play catch up otherwise wont be able to compete, Australia might get the ROW markets unwanted ICE cars dumped here but Full electric will happen sooner than you think. 10 years max.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic
When I took my Landy to VicRoads for them to sign off and check the BluePlate was affixed for Ev conversion they said the annual Rego is now $100 cheaper , a 'green incentive' its not widely known or publicised . Also applies to Hybrids , interestingly Hybrids must have a Hybrid sticker on number plates (like an LPG sticker) but Full Electrics don't get a sticker ???
Of course a lot of the discussion here pre-supposes that anthropogenic climate change does in fact exist. There are some very strong arguments in favour of the conspiracy theory.
1. The worlds best brains tell us that 'carbon pollution' will destroy the earth but they blandly accept that population will double every fifty years. If they believed what they say, they would be arguing for a reduction in population.
2. A very simple piece of legislation would save a huge amount of embodied energy being wasted. A law requiring 5 year warranties on manufactured goods would save all that embodied energy going into landfill.
There are many similar arguments, and many eminent scientists who say it is nonsense. Quite likely many, many more scientists believe it is nonsense but keep quiet because if they speak out, the climate police will get them!
This thread has inspired me... to tweak the injector pump up to full grunt and head out for a joy ride, whilst I still can!
Maybe the next defender will do 1000km on a charge, wouldnt that be something!
My 1995 Camry (ICE) was returning 7.6l/100km. I have logged 2 1/2 years of travel in it and that is the average over that 2 1/2 years. In that time I travelled 123370 km and spent $11309.67 on fuel. This translates to $229.18 in 2500km.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhue
The car I am in at the moment is a current model ICE car. It is returning 7l/100km. I have had it a little over a week. In that week I travelled 977km and put $96.66 in the tank. It was full at the start of the week and I filled it at 977km. This translates to $247.34 in 2500km.
I would like to draw to your attention you are saving nine cents per km on a $400 Camry. How much did that Prius cost you?
I reckon you will have to travel 400,000km in that Prius to match my car and fuel cost with yours. Oh, how long do the batteries last?
I'm off to look for another 20yo Camry. They survive roo strikes. Best car on the road today.
Its convenient to think climate change is bollocks, and doing so sure takes any responsibility away from giving a rip. However we all only have one planet, its not like we have a spare just out the back or can buy a new one. Regardless of EV development there are many scientist from all corners of the earth working for many different universities, companies, and governments who think we have 10 to 15 years to turn it around. After that no matter what we do its game over. So its no surprised many are no longer concerned, they are terrified. However putting climate change aside humans have other issues to be concerned with as they continue to cause massive decline to other parts of the earths ecological systems, its why and widely accepted that humans have entered the 6th great extinction phase.
90% of the oceans fish stock are collapsing or have collapsed. Australia has just about knocked off the great barrier reef with silt and pesticide run off from farming of all the way up the Qld coast, and climbing sea temperatures and ever increasing cyclone categories are doing the rest. The world oceans are full of acid, carbon, and plastic. Micro <5mm and nano <2mm plastics are being found in almost every corner of the earths air, water and food. Small enough to rival asbestos, and may follow filters diesel particles health concerns.
In 5 years time 16% of the earths rain forest will be left, of which when at 100% only covered 20% of the globes land mass. In 7 years time New Gunie will have no rainforest left at current clearing rates. And once rain forest is cleared it can never be replanted or duplicated, because the climate changes. Its why its called rain forrest.
Most land clearing is primarily done to make way for beef, or grow crops to then feed to beef, so humans can eat meat. So if you eat meat you are perhaps stocking the boilers of the second biggest cause of climate change. Pastoralist think the drought is just farming hardship and has nothing to do with them, however in the 1800 their for fathers cleared the land extensively for sheep and beef, and since then most bulldoze or ring bark trees, not plant them.
Cows then fart methane gas contributing to green house gas emissions, along with all the rubbish we bury these days from wasted food scraps.
Extinction rates of indigenous animals and plants rise at rates not seen before, along with introduced pests and weeds rates, and biodiversity is in sharp decline.
Ice masses in the northern hemphisphere are melting at rates far far greater then expected. And the warming of the ocean waters is causing huge issues with micro organisms that make up the foundation of marine ecosystems. There is perhaps more I can mention but it gets a bit demoralising.
So for the nay sayers, well you keep doing nothing and happily live in denial. For the ones who feel a bit alarmed, or wonder what the **** have we given to the kids, there is plenty to recycle and renewable stuff you can do that does make a difference. Buying an EV as your next vehicle will be a very good step in the right direction.
I'm sorry but the whole electric cars are going to save the planet or you are doing the right thing in getting a electric car is laughable.....
Electric cars just like recycling in Australia is nothing more than making consumers feel all warm and fuzzy in the happy care bear world they live in.
World wide:
Look at the horrific environmental vandalism going on daily by industry.
Look at the horrific living conditions that people are forced to live in.
Look at the horrific working conditions people are forced to work in.
Look at the horrific oppression and exploitation people suffer in the world.
Look at:
*The working conditions people suffer in third world countries that mine the precious metals used in making your electric car.
*The processes used to make batteries for your electric car and the waste by products.
*Look at the environment where the waste from the mines and the battery processes end up.
But as long as consumers in the western world have that warm fuzzy feeling when putting rubbish in the recycle bin, driving their electric car to the local cafe, and bitch about their mobile phone etc etc its all good right?
It must feel good burning all those strawmen of your imagination...[biggrin]Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzaTD5
Anyway, electric cars are only one small part of the decarbonisation effort, and anyone who's well read would know that. Also, another good reason to go for an electric car is the same reason people went for LPG in the past: much of our refined motor fuel is imported. In a fuel shortage you can still drive about.
Australia still not meeting oil reserve obligations and Netherlands treaty may not add enough - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Originally Posted by newhue
Encouraging people to buy things they dont need is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Yep the world is rooted......there ain’t no way modern society will turn it around.
I do bits and pieces.....war against waste, moving to a more plant based diet etc....but sadly it won’t be enough.