Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Graeme

Excise on diesel and petrol is a public road user charge so has to be refunded when the fuel is used for non-road purposes. It isn't a concession at all.

It doesn't have to be but is given back It is a tax so it could be charged to all. A bit like Medicare levy? Almost all of us pay it regardless of if we see the Doctors or not


Back on my short ranged sod of a thing- Oddly seen more than a dozen in the last two weeks. Prior to that I had seen just one other MG XS EV.

Back off topic again. Fresh Bluefin Sushi was great- Disco set to tow tug for a early start to tow some lures on Thursday

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Originally Posted by 4bee

I think I'll stick with my 4 year old Mazda CX-3 2 litre Muscle Car & will need the lolly to pay for Funeral Directors.
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Watch out for the paint work deteriorating on your Mazda as I've seen quite a few up here with the clear coat going to pieces. I'm not sure if we get more sun up here in Qld or it is the higher temps and or humidity.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

It doesn't have to be but is given back It is a tax so it could be charged to all. A bit like Medicare levy? Almost all of us pay it regardless of if we see the Doctors or not

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If you take that view, then applying similar thinking, for example, to road tolls, you are subsidising roads that are not tolled, or applying it to income tax, you are subsidising those with no income. And, of course, this is correct.

But trumpeting it as if the fuel excise rebate is specific to petroleum production is particularly specious, seeing the amounts quoted appear to include all mining, the vastmajority of which is not connected to petroleum production.

Originally Posted by Graeme

Excise on diesel and petrol is a public road user charge so has to be refunded when the fuel is used for non-road purposes. It isn't a concession at all.

...and therein lies the problem, they've factored in the damage mining vehicles would do to roads, but not the damage they are doing to the atmosphere.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

...and therein lies the problem, they've factored in the damage mining vehicles would do to roads, but not the damage they are doing to the atmosphere.

Completely missing the historical and legal background to excise. Damage to roads or the atmosphere never had anything to do with excise.

Excise (on anything) was originated as a tax that was relatively easy to collect on luxury (or at least non-essential) goods originally restricted to alcohol, later to tobacco products. It has the advantage of public support and having relatively few collection points (manufacturers and importers).

When motoring started to represent a significant part of the economy by about 1920, excise was introduced on petrol, as motoring was the exclusive domain of the wealthy and the excise would not affect most voters.

When diesel trucks started to appear in the late 1930s, with petrol excise by then a major income stream for the Commonwealth, it was extended to diesel - but diesel was already being extensively used in manufacturing, agriculture and other industry, so the rebate scheme was part of this. This excise income (at this stage still mostly from petrol) was used to justify demands for Commonwealth road funding, but there was never any legislated tie between excise and road funding as far as I know.

It is only in the last few decades that excise (for tobacco) increases have been justified by pointing to the damage caused. But these increases have really only happened as the Commonwealth struggles to maintain revenue in the face of decreased rates of smoking.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Watch out for the paint work deteriorating on your Mazda as I've seen quite a few up here with the clear coat going to pieces. I'm not sure if we get more sun up here in Qld or it is the higher temps and or humidity.

Thanks Rand, both I suspect, but they have a 5year warranty & I seem to recall that is covered but I'll have another shufti. Roof, Doors & bonnet are still metal but some other panels are certainly "clipon" panels..

A fair % of the panels seem to be plastic so whether the colour is bonded in who knows?

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