EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by akelly

apart from the fact you seem to be having a stroke, you don't seem to understand energy or economics at all.

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Not sure how you feel that? The hydro company is doing the Maths and economic viability study not me "Hydro-Québec is mulling over a return to nuclear power. The state-owned utility officially announced on Thursday that it is evaluating the feasibility of resuming operations at Gentilly-2, the province’s sole nuclear power facility, which ceased operation in 2012."

On the 7 time cost for Electrolysis much smarter people than I am made that claim for power consumption cost compared. Link for you Try page 17. Hazer Group Ltd (sharelinktechnologies.com)

You're welcome to your opinion of course. My money equals my mouth in an investment sense only of course. It is easy to loose money so assume your bias and stick to it. I promise to stick to my clear bias to clean Hydrogen at scale.

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Originally Posted by akelly

a tiny number, basically a front for toyota because they failed to invest in pure EVs. Government fleets pushed out at a loss to pretend its viable. You fellas can believe what you want, but hydrogen is a scam that's already been eclipsed by an actual real-world technology with millions of on-road miles under it's belt. When you're driving one let me know.

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Likewise you can believe what you want. If you believe EV’s can replace all ICE products then there’s nothing I can say to change your mind and if you don’t believe the science that’s completely up to you. Just make sure you don’t drive your EV off the edge of the world.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Noticed Toyota doing the wait a few years and look at me! Diversified powertrains are Toyota’s long-term answer

Contemplating a Hilux BEV for Australia, Hanley said we must comprehend the size, weight and charging time of the battery pack required to achieve a range of 800km – as you’d get from a diesel HiLux.
“Rest assured, Toyota is working on it,” Hanley said, citing Toyota’s work on solid state batteries as a solution. That, or how hydrogen fuel cells could come into their own.

Toyota brings electric Hilux prototype to Australia with modest range and capability - Chasing Cars

My mates in Perth Poo to Hydrogen via hydrogen pyrolysis at any scale and likely to be 7 times cheaper than Wind/Solar to Hydrogen electrolysis I think. The main reason is the cheap power can be used far more effectively at a far higher ROI for the other power demand any anyone thinking just replacing existing power demand is enough is far more optimistic than rational.

Excuse me if I am waffling here! A place with 95% hydro power can sell that cheap power for more money to others on the network all the way from Québec to Texas is a great case study.

Hydro‑Québec can make so much more selling its abundant hydro power to others that is seriously looking to restart Nuclear power to meet Québecs own power needs so it can meet the supply contracts others are signing up for. Sound crazy? Its pure economics at work I think.

[thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig] Have a great day

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800km out of the diesel Hilux - that made me laugh out loud. Toyota are good at spin you have to admit. Having driven 3 of them from new over the last decade none of them have got close to 800 even when driven carefully. 700 is doable if you try really hard, 650 is closer to the truth. None of my vehicles are eve heavily loaded when I’m not towing - basically a set of draws in the back with PPE and a few hand tools. Even empty with a featherweight driver 800 is out of the question.

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Originally Posted by BradC

It's not all weight related. There's also an issue with non 4wd vehicles and regenerative braking.

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I doubt this. Regen is generally fairly smooth. People brake much harder.

Most EV's are significantly lighter than the 4x4's being bought in very large numbers.

So much FUD

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I doubt this. Regen is generally fairly smooth. People brake much harder.

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People brake much harder with the force balanced across 4 wheels.

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Originally Posted by akelly

GWM Ora. Not released yet but the description fits.

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Yes saw one in the Gateway shopping centre in Palmerston last week.

The Niro had it's 'complementary' 3,000km/3 month service Wednesday. No oil leaks reported [bigrolf]

2,700km in 6 weeks and the reported energy usage is 14.6kW/100km. Advertised figure by Kia is 16.2 combined.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Most EV's are significantly lighter than the 4x4's being bought in very large numbers.

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An accurate weight comparison would be with an EV and an equivalent sized ICE powered vehicle.

The bulk of 4x4 vehicles sold are dual cab or single cab utes,and they are similar weight to a larger EV.Some of the single cab utes would probably be lighter.

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Originally Posted by scarry

An accurate weight comparison would be with an EV and an equivalent sized ICE powered vehicle.

The bulk of 4x4 vehicles sold are dual cab or single cab utes,and they are similar weight to a larger EV.Some of the single cab utes would probably be lighter.

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Tesla model Y is 1900kg.

Name me a dual cab ute that is lighter, and add fuel to the weight. :D

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Originally Posted by BradC

People brake much harder with the force balanced across 4 wheels.

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The harder they brake the more force is applied to the fronts, which do the vast majority. This is much much more force than regen which isn't a huge amount more than strong engine braking. (most people drive autos these days.. how soon we forget!)