EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Actually - I just don't like people saying things that are untrue. There is a lot of it in this thread.

There is a lot of "I've never owned an EV but trust me I know they are useless/catchfire/environmental disasters/too expensvie/ugly/too small/too big/not enough rage" etc etc.

The reality is lots of people have lots of different needs. For many an EV may be a perfectly suitable thing. Use your empathy, Luke! I do not agree that everyone in Australia needs to have a diesel 4x4 as their primary transport. Let us not forget that up until recently, most vehicles in Australia were passenger cars and everyone managed just fine.

You should also realise that I for one can recognise that not everything EV is ideal and perfect, and they are not nearly suitable for all people or all uses. And it's going to be a long time until that's the case. Just like a Land Rover defender has some really really big positives and negatives.

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While you might not agree everyone needs a diesel 4x4 - don’t you think it’s their choice the same as you chose an EV? If an EV suits someone’s needs and budget they’ll buy one, same as a 4x4. Given the numbers of each being sold at the moment then I think most WANT a 4x4? This may well change in years to come but you can’t force people to like something just because you do and no Gubment would be dumb enough to mandate anything in Aus that would take away this choice - it would be political suicide.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

While you might not agree everyone needs a diesel 4x4 - don’t you think it’s their choice the same as you chose an EV? If an EV suits someone’s needs and budget they’ll buy one, same as a 4x4. Given the numbers of each being sold at the moment then I think most WANT a 4x4? This may well change in years to come but you can’t force people to like something just because you do and no Gubment would be dumb enough to mandate anything in Aus that would take away this choice - it would be political suicide.

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Had a bit of a WOW when a hard core hunter and old Patrol Driver who camps and has a long-distance holiday drive at least once year. The Patrol is parked and moved to 3rd party Fire and theft only. He has a huge grin as the FBT salary sacrifice, some idiot suggested he consider that. He is now ev cruising in a BYD atto 3! He has had more deer, rabbits and roos in the back of his patrol than most people will ever see! Suspect the ATTO 3 may carry a lot [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

He is a BIG gent.

This was an interesting Ted Talk.
I’ve fact checked some of it, it’s not far off.

The Contradictions of Battery Operated Vehicles | Graham Conway | TEDxSanAntonio - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Tombie

This was an interesting Ted Talk.
I’ve fact checked some of it, it’s not far off.

The Contradictions of Battery Operated Vehicles | Graham Conway | TEDxSanAntonio - YouTube

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"NOTE FROM TED: This talk only reflects the speaker's personal views and interpretation. Several claims in this talk lack scientific support. We've flagged this talk because it falls outside the content guidelines TED gives TEDx organizers. TEDx events are independently organized by volunteers. The guidelines we give TEDx organizers are described in more detail here: http://storage.ted.com/tedx/manuals/t.."

Of interest to me is some groups who really think reducing population is the best way. As long as that population is some one else of course[biggrin]

The Horse C02 thing was a hoot.

Back to my rotten new car. Phone call from dealer last Friday after the ship was finally in port 7 days before unloading my car. Phone call on Monday saying I would get a call on Wednesday ( Melb Cup holiday in Melb Tuesday )

No calls so I called. No Answer. Tried again a few times before guessing Bloody OPTUS[thumbsupbig]

Drove to Ringwood to be told the car is with them as are a lot of others. It apparently takes 3 hours each to program the cars. Not going to occur yesterday. Advised I was leaving Friday and would appreciate it by then. Email saying its ready Next Monday is not making me smile[bighmmm]

When ordered several months ago I was one of the first to order and put a deposit down. That several must have been given out over the last week is seeming[bighmmm]

First world problem.

The video at about minute 11 noted several items such as new battery technology. Sodium just made it into some, Solidstate is so close I can see examples driving about now! (Not in OZ)

His ending statement "the Future is Electric" could have an amendment. The Future Electric will be Nuclear power or incredibly expensive and part time only.

https://youtu.be/FpraaPWV6oc'si=_qmbtdD3Opkvq-XZ

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Originally Posted by vnx205

For the millions of people in the UK who will never do that, it is hardly relevant.

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The relevance is in the number of people the Taycan driver encountered who were also having huge issues with charging, in the course of a normal day, in a country that is way ahead of us in their infrastructure roll out.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

That channel is all about a guy who hates EV's yelling at the world that they are rubbish.

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That's tripe, as you'd know if you actually watched the channel. He, like many, don't want to have your choices foisted on him through idiotic gubments chasing fairytales and green votes. Pretty much how I feel.
If you took the time to actually read what is posted here, rather than confect your FUD nonsense, you would see that most of us see good in EVs in their place. That place is not here with me. That's my choice.

EJ may be grumpy

Tesla's Growth Nearly Stalls, Other EV Registrations Double In U.S.: September 2023 Sales

Sales volume continues to increase year-over-year to around 100,000 units a month.

In September, new all-electric car registrations in the United States continued to increase, although the rate of year-over-year expansion recently decreased.
According to the registration data from Experian (via Automotive News), the total number of battery electric car (BEV) registrations during the first nine months of 2023 amounted to 852,904, which is about 61 percent more than a year ago and about 7.4 percent of the total market (up from 5.2 percent at this same time in 2022).



Not surprised. The Tesla disruption has been impressive - will it be long term is the question.

Cadogan's take on the Kia EV9 is pretty funny. He's not my favourite commentator, and obviously I can't link to him.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Actually - I just don't like people saying things that are untrue. There is a lot of it in this thread.

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That's an interesting statement, coming as it does from someone who accuses anyone who disagrees with you an "EV hater", disseminating "FUD", and by using strawman argument to deflect.

I am on record as stating I do not hate EVs, and also that the links I provide are of an FYI nature. Take them or leave them. But you choose to attack the messenger.

EVangelists are impossible to debate.