EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

This is interesting. Reducing Prices and repair cost for Tesla

Two years ago, Hertz pledged to order 100,000 Tesla EVs by the end of 2022. The company now has around 35,000 Tesla vehicles in its fleet – far shy of its original target. And judging by what was said on the third-quarter earnings call, Hertz doesn't plan to hit that target too soon. CEO Stephen Scherr said, "our in-fleeting of EVs will be slower than our prior expectations."
The rental car company posted lower-than-expected margins for the previous quarter, and Scherr said EV repairs and Tesla price cuts affecting the resale value of Hertz's EVs by about one-third were the two main causes.


Resale or trade in value for mine is 32k - It cost 42K. Fairly happy with 75% after 53000km on the clock now. New cheap Chinese cars are still at the value end of this market. The MG XS is base 41K top 55k an MG4 is about the same price range

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we had talk with medical assurance (insurance) people here in NZ BYD and telsa premiums are going up due to expensive repairs etc as bodywork like bumpers etc with all their inbuilt sensors are so expensive,he mentioned a client had a bent suspension arm on a Byd, no single parts at this stage so you only have the option at this stage of literally replacing that whole suspension unit, rods brakes ,mounts etc with 2 month wait and $6000 plus...so no easy simple repairs and tied with expensive sensor components etc
Will ask him next month again when he comes in interesting though.. possible high hidden costs for owners..

Not sure if this was posted before .
It appears the cyber truck doesn't as yet seem to have its traction control off road set up too well....

Early days perhaps?

https://youtu.be/u7W6a3thYm8'si=A3ID-vQukO5fy9GA

Tell me this guy hates EVs and is just spreading FUD.

Funny, I carry jumper leads if this happens to me.. or someone else.

https://youtu.be/tLbZt8gV5pM'si=XfJe484kwwQDQ_ux

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Originally Posted by Tins

Tell me this guy hates EVs and is just spreading FUD.

Funny, I carry jumper leads if this happens to me.. or someone else.

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If I bought a new, say, Kia petrol or diesel I would want around 5 years out of the battery. Walk out, turn the key, drive off.

Still, he can keep warm while he watches nett flicks. Happy daze.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

EJ may be grumpy

Tesla's Growth Nearly Stalls, Other EV Registrations Double In U.S.: September 2023 Sales

Sales volume continues to increase year-over-year to around 100,000 units a month.

In September, new all-electric car registrations in the United States continued to increase, although the rate of year-over-year expansion recently decreased.
According to the registration data from Experian (via Automotive News), the total number of battery electric car (BEV) registrations during the first nine months of 2023 amounted to 852,904, which is about 61 percent more than a year ago and about 7.4 percent of the total market (up from 5.2 percent at this same time in 2022).



Not surprised. The Tesla disruption has been impressive - will it be long term is the question.

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The writings been on the wall for some time that Tesla will likely go tits up at some point in the next 5 years - if/how how soon remains to be seen. Their early business model was never based on selling cars but carbon credits. As other OEM's reduced the amount they needed as they bring their own EV offerings online this has hurt Telsas revenue and they now need to have the cars make them a profit - which they still don't currently do and as most car manufactures know is bloody hard to do at the best of times. I'm sure there will be some Gubment money pointed their way like the rest of the industry at some point but while they were leaders in the industry I don't see them staying that way or being viable longer term. Just my opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

The writings been on the wall for some time that Tesla will likely go tits up at some point in the next 5 years - if/how how soon remains to be seen. Their early business model was never based on selling cars but carbon credits. As other OEM's reduced the amount they needed as they bring their own EV offerings online this has hurt Telsas revenue and they now need to have the cars make them a profit - which they still don't currently do and as most car manufactures know is bloody hard to do at the best of times. I'm sure there will be some Gubment money pointed their way like the rest of the industry at some point but while they were leaders in the industry I don't see them staying that way or being viable longer term. Just my opinion of course.

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I've said a number of times, if not on this thread then certainly on the Forum, that I consider EVs to be a cul-de-sac. They are a solution search of a problem, have far too much impact on the infrastructure to be sustainable and are about as friendly to the environment as the Exxon Valdez. The production and ultimate disposal of them far outweigh any alleged "savings" they may provide. Even in countries which sensibly use nuclear generation the grid needs huge investment to cope with them.

Interesting point re carbon credits. Tesla, in particular, used Obama era subsidies to become what they are. Without those Tesla would not exist at all. There would be no business case for them. But one can hardly blame Musk et al from taking advantage of gubment stupidity.

I disagree that Tesla will fail though. SpaceX has made amazing advances in hydrogen tech. I see a hydrogen Tesla in the future. That would be interesting. If it happens, of course.

If all the reports of the major manufacturers rethinking their EV plans are true, and also the claims of massive insurance hikes on EVs, then I wouldn't want to be counting on the resale a few years down the track, which will no doubt be in the thinking of the lease companies right now.

Hmm. I wonder whatever happened to 's much speculated Project Titan. It's been ten years since that was mooted. It was very real, with large hirings, notably of car company engineers, including from Tesla. Say what you like about , if any company had the technical, not to mention financial, resources to pull it off it's them. And they haven't. Perhaps they can also see the writing on the wall.

I don't care if people wish to drive an EV. I'm sure they are lovely when they work, and you don't fill the tank and don't use the admittedly amazing performance. What I DO care about is, just like solar panels on your roof ten years ago, the people who can afford to get them expect, through gubment mandate, those who cannot to help pay for them. If the things are so good, let them compete in the market with everyone else. Pay full price for the car, and the fuel? What a novel concept.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Tell me this guy hates EVs and is just spreading FUD.

Funny, I carry jumper leads if this happens to me.. or someone else.

https://youtu.be/tLbZt8gV5pM'si=XfJe484kwwQDQ_ux

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So a stone caused a small hole in the headlight that then let water in frying the headlight - which caused the car to stop working completely. That's a design to be proud of... [bigrolf]

Nearly $2,000 AU to fix - ouch...

https://youtu.be/clVvNINoKrY'si=YCg52PXXgpG7UbRf

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Originally Posted by Homestar

So a stone caused a small hole in the headlight that then let water in frying the headlight - which caused the car to stop working completely. That's a design to be proud of... [bigrolf]

Nearly $2,000 AU to fix - ouch...

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Are you sure that is not a JLR ïnnovation they copied......?[bigrolf]

Stone chipped headlight. Never happen in Oz.... Funny though, it does. The polycarbonate headlight on my BA had a hole in it for years. Didn't stop the car. I guess Ford missed an opportunity on that one. Oh, and when it stops lighting up, maybe twice in ten years, H4 globes are available EVERYWHERE. As are batteries.

BTW, my schadenfreude does not mean I hate EVs. In case anyone was wondering.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Are you sure that is not a JLR ïnnovation they copied......?[bigrolf]

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Yep. The JLR service people are not "enthusiastic", as he claims the Tesla ones are.