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This news is interesting for me in Investment terms "The Automotive Cells Company joint venture pledged to invest as much as $7.6B in three factories. Just one has been built so far.

Automotive Cells Company (ACC), a joint venture between Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz, and TotalEnergies, halted work on two electric vehicle battery gigafactories in Europe, citing a slowdown in EV sales growth.
The European joint venture had planned three battery factories in the European Union with a total investment of roughly $7.6 billion by 2030: one in Kaiserslautern, Germany, one in Termoli, Italy, and one in Douvrin, France. The latter went online last year, but the other two are now in limbo as ACC is trying to figure out how to proceed during a time when the projections of some EV makers were a bit too optimistic."

I want the solid state batteries and suspect they would make current tech obsolete almost immediately. This news with a nice jump in another battery company is interesting timing???

The cause of the fire "remains under investigation". All the loud popping could be little cells of diesel going off I guess...

https://youtu.be/U6dlHpKE-ug'si=nXl4HfNNjzmMb3Zt

On the topic of car park fires, the investigation into the Luton Airport car park fire has confirmed it was caused by a Diesel.

Fire at airport car park started accidentally | Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service

One of the lessons from the Liverpool car park fire, also started by a Petrol Range Rover, was the use of plastic fuel tanks in modern ICE’s is why fires spread so rapidly once they start.

https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/...ark-Report.pdf

This combined with the high calorific value that modern cars now have means the fire risk is significantly higher today compared to when most multi storey car parks were built.

Eventually the calls for sprinkler protection to be mandated in all multi-storey car parks will be acted on. Likewise you have to question if plastic fuel tanks should be banned as well.

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Originally Posted by DiscoDB

On the topic of car park fires, the investigation into the Luton Airport car park fire has confirmed it was caused by a Diesel.

Fire at airport car park started accidentally | Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service

One of the lessons from the Liverpool car park fire, also started by a Petrol Range Rover, was the use of plastic fuel tanks in modern ICE’s is why fires spread so rapidly once they start.

https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/...ark-Report.pdf

This combined with the high calorific value that modern cars means the fire risk is significantly higher today compared to when most multi storey car parks were built.

Eventually the calls for sprinkler protection to be mandated in all multi-storey car parks will be acted on. Likewise you have to question if plastic fuel tanks should be banned as well.

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Fires and fire fighting are cool memories for me. BIG pools of oil in particular. AFFF was hmmmmmmmm used a LOT alas perhaps maybe or bugger! SCBA was so close to SCUBA that its funny. Sharks and ... or Fires and gasses and AFFF[bighmmm][bighmmm][bighmmm] Sharks have never bothered me[thumbsupbig] I didnt swim in the Maroochydore river recently as I have met Bull Sharks before [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf] Respect?


Back to EVs alone- I am NOT buying 200-300km boat towing limit! Just because you can make it was my Chemo Express EV. Once is enough. Next version is out soon happily.

Family towing a caravan across Australia in an EV to prove ScoMo and doubters wrong (msn.com)

Edit Aqueous film forming foams (AFFF) is amazing in good and bad ways

I saw the CCTV footage of the Luton fire and there was a blowtorch of flames jetting out perpendicular from behind the front passenger wheel, which coincidentally is where the battery is located on a diesel hybrid RRS. That seems a little fishy to me, especially since the fire department first said it was a hybrid and then changed their minds. I'm sure the truth will eventually out if it wasn't a straight up diesel, but there seems to be an awful lot of greenwashing and mis-information going on with EV fires in the UK of late, like the bus fires.

This is from a building safety conference in London last year. The videos homepage has the rest of the conference videos in sequence. It's very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIXTP-TgPEw

John Cadogan, of the potty mouth, has a couple of vids which covers a novel way to fight EV fires, especially shipboard fires. You can find the links on his channel
1. Best EV firefighting (thermal runaway) technique yet!
2. Science -Vs- your Lithium-ion & EV firefighting feedback

Possibly a DPF fire or combustible fluid spraying onto the DPF.

Was reported that vehicle checks on the number plate also showed it was a 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6. Don’t believe hybrid was even an option on that model in 2014.

The full investigation report should get published in the next 3 months or so.

That's interesting, because they went to great lengths to say it wasn't EV related, long before the fire had even been put out, which nearly always means the opposite! [bigwhistle]
The whole building code for open plan parking garages is getting a shakeup in the UK because of this, which can only be a good thing. In the end it doesn't matter what starts a fire in a parking garage or worse a tunnel, when EV's get caught in the mix, they cannot be extinguished so make the situation more complex/worse. I would be running upwind and out of there as fast as humanly possible given the types of toxins given off by burning batteries. Well, unless you are on a ship of course, and we have already lost one sunk due to an EV fire (Felicity Ace) in Feb '22, and almost lost another one (Fremantle Highway) in July '23, both of which displaced around 60,000 tonnes. Interesting times ahead!

American perhaps? "Thanks to affordable new models from General Motors, Tesla and Hyundai, price parity with gas cars is no longer a distant dream.

After years of capital-intensive development, falling lithium prices and a shift to focus more on the mass market with affordable options, a growing number of long-range electric vehicles are now finally cheaper to purchase than average gas cars in the U.S.
The average transaction price for new vehicles in April 2024 was $48,500, according to Cox Automotive data. As Bloomberg first reported, there’s an increasing crop of long-range EVs with more than 300 miles of range that are considerably cheaper than that."

Still cannot tow my boat far enough[biggrin]

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American perhaps? "Thanks to affordable new models from General Motors, Tesla and Hyundai, price parity with gas cars is no longer a distant dream.

After years of capital-intensive development, falling lithium prices and a shift to focus more on the mass market with affordable options, a growing number of long-range electric vehicles are now finally cheaper to purchase than average gas cars in the U.S.
The average transaction price for new vehicles in April 2024 was $48,500, according to Cox Automotive data. As Bloomberg first reported, there’s an increasing crop of long-range EVs with more than 300 miles of range that are considerably cheaper than that."

Still cannot tow my boat far enough[biggrin]

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Maybe you should have kept your ICE Motorbike[biggrin]

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Maybe you should have kept your ICE Motorbike[biggrin]

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It is in Prison for killing the car that run thought the stop sign Des. It may have been partly my body that killed that car?? [bighmmm][bighmmm][bighmmm]

Sadly, the very nice 1999 bike was not as lucky as I am mate. I am still running [bigrolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch'time_continue=587&v=Ur47okU3eUk&embeds_refer ring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2F&embeds_refe rring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com&source_ve_p ath=Mjg2NjIsMjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo