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27th November 2025, 11:16 AM
V8Ian

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

The problem is they have sold the grid to commercial interests. We've got little ability to control how private enterprises run. They will choose to run in a way that maximises their profits.

IMHO it's not renewables that are causing the problems - it's because we've privatised a services which should be run in the national interest. So we've got a whole bunch of people that don't care about the overall picture just trying to do whatever they can to make some money. And don't start me on gas..

Or water! When that is privatised you can be sure the unscrupulous frogs will be at the front of the line.
27th November 2025, 12:51 PM
DoubleChevron

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Or water! When that is privatised you can be sure the unscrupulous frogs will be at the front of the line.

I don't think privatising the power network is any to do with the issues from the luny renewable being spread out all over the country. There is no fixing this, not without trying to re-do over 100years of power infrastructure in a short time.

I do believe privatising has made everything less reliable and much more expensive ... EVERYWHERE it has been privatised. After all, making money is the only thing that matters above all else.
28th November 2025, 01:52 PM
Captain_Rightfoot

After my suggestion the other day that younger people just aren't interested in cars like we are, and that people can't even drive manuals anymore. [bigsmile]

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/s...rive-a-manual/
28th November 2025, 03:34 PM
DoubleChevron

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

After my suggestion the other day that younger people just aren't interested in cars like we are, and that people can't even drive manuals anymore. [bigsmile]

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/s...rive-a-manual/

they are intersted in cars ... it's hard when they can't afford offstreet parkng ... houses .. sheds etc .... Its easy for anyone over 40 as they probably own a house with a garage.....

interests change too. the current generation seems to be interested in old japanese cars (weird right?).
28th November 2025, 04:24 PM
Tins

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Originally Posted by Tombie

It’s the transportation equivalent of the NBN

Which is another example of Govt meddling in things they know nothing at all about. God save us from Cabinet Ministers.
28th November 2025, 04:27 PM
Tins

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interests change too. the current generation seems to be interested in old japanese cars (weird right?).

VicRoads even has a special category of number plates for 'em.

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29th November 2025, 12:12 PM
DoubleChevron

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

80 Litres of fuel $120[bawl]

Not doing that for months now has made me forget the hand in pocket event an almost dry tank gives me. For a crook comp cost comparison 42 kwh of power did not cost $13.44 as despite the rain and cloud about 30% was solar. I must be becoming a tight arse [bigrolf]

That sounds pretty cheap. Say how much depreciation have you lost on that over the last 5 years versus an electric throw-away ....

Now, quote me how much it would cost ot charge a throw-away from public chargers whlie traveling anywhere for the 1000+km you probably get from the proper car .... I bet its more expensive to run than the big useful vehicle.
29th November 2025, 02:10 PM
Captain_Rightfoot

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

That sounds pretty cheap. Say how much depreciation have you lost on that over the last 5 years versus an electric throw-away ....

Now, quote me how much it would cost ot charge a throw-away from public chargers whlie traveling anywhere for the 1000+km you probably get from the proper car .... I bet its more expensive to run than the big useful vehicle.

Lets say we do 350k. At 14kwh (which is typically a bit more than we have used but nice round number). That's 49 kwh. If I bought it from the Tesla Super charger at Toowoomba during day time peak that's .54c per kwh. Or $26.46. for 350k.

If I did that same trip in my "big useful defender". Typically it uses 13 l/100. That's about 45.5 L of diesel. Most of the fuel is over $2 a litre. I'd fill up at the BP which is 199.9. So that's $90.54c

There are cheaper fast chargers in Toowoomba (just as fast as Tesla) which I think are as low as .40. There was also some generic fuel (7/11 for 1.80). I typically stick to BP. There are also a number of free chargers in Toowoomba linked to accomodation which might be an option if that's your thing.

EDIT: Quick conversion to CO2. the defender at 45.5 * 2.78kg =126.49 kg of CO2. Multiply that by 2 to include exploration, drilling, extration, transporting, refining, transporting. Let's call it 250kg. The Tesla is 49kwh *.9 kg CO2 which was the grid average a little while back. That gives us 44 kg co2 or a bit less than 1/5 of the defender.
EDIT2: Apparently the average co2/kwh in QLD is actually .73kg CO2. So Tesla would actually be 35kg CO2.
29th November 2025, 03:45 PM
DoubleChevron

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Lets say we do 350k. At 14kwh (which is typically a bit more than we have used but nice round number). That's 49 kwh. If I bought it from the Tesla Super charger at Toowoomba during day time peak that's .54c per kwh. Or $26.46. for 350k.

If I did that same trip in my "big useful defender". Typically it uses 13 l/100. That's about 45.5 L of diesel. Most of the fuel is over $2 a litre. I'd fill up at the BP which is 199.9. So that's $90.54c

There are cheaper fast chargers in Toowoomba (just as fast as Tesla) which I think are as low as .40. There was also some generic fuel (7/11 for 1.80). I typically stick to BP. There are also a number of free chargers in Toowoomba linked to accomodation which might be an option if that's your thing.

EDIT: Quick conversion to CO2. the defender at 45.5 * 2.78kg =126.49 kg of CO2. Multiply that by 2 to include exploration, drilling, extration, transporting, refining, transporting. Let's call it 250kg. The Tesla is 49kwh *.9 kg CO2 which was the grid average a little while back. That gives us 44 kg co2 or a bit less than 1/5 of the defender.
EDIT2: Apparently the average co2/kwh in QLD is actually .73kg CO2. So Tesla would actually be 35kg CO2.

where on earth are you paying $2.00 a litre for diesel. Its been around $1.70 here forever. The super charger is 77cent/kw. but will still take you probably an hour for a full charge (rather htan 5 minutes). Just amazing technology [bighmmm]

So you are going to drive aroudn for hours desperately searching for cheap or free chargers. Sounds like a fun holiday. Who give a crap about C02, its a trace gas ... absolutely irrelevant in this scenario. So the electric throw-away has ... lost 80% of its value in the last 5 years.... and the defender has likely appreciated quite a lot.

electric throw-aways just sound fabulous....
29th November 2025, 05:21 PM
Captain_Rightfoot

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

where on earth are you paying $2.00 a litre for diesel. Its been around $1.70 here forever. The super charger is 77cent/kw. but will still take you probably an hour for a full charge (rather htan 5 minutes). Just amazing technology [bighmmm]

So you are going to drive aroudn for hours desperately searching for cheap or free chargers. Sounds like a fun holiday. Who give a crap about C02, its a trace gas ... absolutely irrelevant in this scenario. So the electric throw-away has ... lost 80% of its value in the last 5 years.... and the defender has likely appreciated quite a lot.

electric throw-aways just sound fabulous....

Ok so I looked in the tesla app for the chargers in Toowoomba. It's .54c/kwh from 8am until 9pm. It's .44c/kwh outside of that. I'm looking at the app right now. Dunno where you're getting your info from.

As I stated in my post, according to Petrol Spy, the cheapest fuel I could find was 178 for generic 7/11 fuel. Bp was 195 or 200. I randomly picked Toowoomba because it was a nearby regional centre.

As I said in the post there was cheaper fuel, there was also cheaper charging. I've tried to make a balanced and logical representation of the case you asked for. An EV vs a "Big Usefull" vehicle. As you can see the EV is significantly cheaper publicly charged, and has less environmental effect. It also ignores that most people do much or all of their charging at home which is far cheaper (350k of driving home charged costs me $3.92 and I've only charged once outside the house in 2.5 years). You can go and live in whatever the reality you like.

What you should have done was ask for a comparison between an EV and a similar sized modern hybrid. The difference wouldn't have been nearly as great. But you don't like modern cars anyway.

PS I hope everyone else does enough to avoid the worst effects of climate change for your kids.

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