EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Tins

X100. If you so much as touch your phone you are a leper. Cars these days, EVs especially, are like sitting in an IMAX. For many, many years Mercedes Benz put all the controls in the same place, whether you drove an A Class or S Class. All the functions became automatic, "muscle memory" if you like. They claimed it was the safest practice. And in those days MB made by far the safest cars.

All these menus, hidden away in all the glitz, and no two cars are the same, is madness, and it's pathetic how it all impresses people who should know better. The place for giant screens is in the living room.

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Lol.. you're absolutely right. Complex devices could never be used safely with just screens and smart software. I must have lost my mind. Buttons and dials is where it's at. Maybe an extra person to help monitor everything.

Or you could just automate all the functions on the car, and then just use the display for critical information. Tesla even prioritises information just like Airbus.

Perhaps have a read about how the Airbus systems prioritised the status messages of failing systems in a manner that enabled the pilots to deal with it in qf32. Also even Sully on the hudson - again the airbus systems prioritised messages enabling the pilot to fly.


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Qantas Flight 32 - Wikipedia

That is not how I understand it at all!
The account I read is that the computer systems were completely overwhelmed and gave AFAIR 54 cascading faults many of which were false.
What saved the plane was the decision of the captain and crew to try something that had never been attempted before by doing a dummy approach which could have failed and caused a crash if it went wrong. They landed at far above the speed the 380 was designed to land at despite the numerous warnings from the malfunctioning computers.
What was very lucky was that there was a check captain on board who enable the prioritizing of tasks in the absence of sensible data from the computers.
Captain de Crespigny was amazed to look out his window and see the inboard engine at full power after stopping. He had no idea from the computers.

What about the incident off WA when the computers just went dead and the aircraft dropped thousands of feet.
Also an Air France Airbus crashed in the middle of the Atlantic because the crew were not told by the computers that there was a massive fuel leak in the wing.

Regards PhilipA

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

That is not how I understand it at all!
The account I read is that the computer systems were completely overwhelmed and gave AFAIR 54 cascading faults many of which were false.
What saved the plane was the decision of the captain and crew to try something that had never been attempted before by doing a dummy approach which could have failed and caused a crash if it went wrong. They landed at far above the speed the 380 was designed to land at despite the numerous warnings from the malfunctioning computers.
What was very lucky was that there was a check captain on board who enable the prioritizing of tasks in the absence of sensible data from the computers.
Captain de Crespigny was amazed to look out his window and see the inboard engine at full power after stopping. He had no idea from the computers.

What about the incident off WA when the computers just went dead and the aircraft dropped thousands of feet.
Also an Air France Airbus crashed in the middle of the Atlantic because the crew were not told by the computers that there was a massive fuel leak in the wing.

Regards PhilipA

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Arh, you may want to read it again; Wiki has a good description of what transpired. There was no "dummy run", and the aircraft had to be landed well above the normal landing speed because of the fuel weight. Also, it was the outboard #1 engine that could not be stopped.

The good outcome was due to complete CRM, (cockpit resource managment) not to any check and training captain, but due to proper training of the whole crew under the command of a very experienced captain.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Does it have an auto setting? The cars I've had with climate control I find I rarely if ever actually have to touch stuff like that. Just because one user interface is crap doesn't mean they all are.

Despite the defender having horrible ergonomics I can adjust pretty much all the controls in my defender without having to look away from the road due to length of ownership. The heater/blower, the vents, and the ac/fan.

BUT. On a long road trip I find having to constantly change all this stuff to keep everyone comfortable is really tiring. It's a lot of additional driver workload that simply isn't there in cars with good climate.

This is why VW got panned. Because the climate didn't work well, and the capacitive buttons didn't work well and I don't think they were backlit. So really hard to operate. Hopeless.

As I say over and over again - at least with the Tesla UI you rarely actually have to touch the screen while driving. And if you do look away at least the car is still watching.

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We’re taking an $24K drive away car here - not much of anything is automatic apart from the transmission. [emoji16]

That’s actually not fair - I think it punches above its weight for the price but it doesn’t seem to have climate control as such no. Just ‘wind speed’ adjustment instead of fan speed and temp up/down.

Gotta love how driving a Tesla puts one above the laws the rest of us mere mortals are forced to obey.

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Arh, you may want to read it again; Wiki has a good description of what transpired

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I was recalling the original article/interviews as wiki often gets things incomplete.
You missed the point a bit.
The point was that the computers were of little help and were in fact a hindrance seeing that many of the sensors were destroyed by the damage.
Regards PhilipA

Comparing the cockpit of an A380, with its highly trained operators who undergo continual reassessments to ensure competence and a military grade ability to react automatically to almost any foreseeable situation in a very highly controlled environment with few external factors to worry about with driving a car, with usually highly untrained operators who are distracted by a thousand things and have constant incursions into their immediate environment almost every second, with absolutely no experience or reassessment of their capabilities, in the totally chaotic system that is traffic is disingenuous at best, and a pathetic piece of attempted legerdemain at worst. There is no valid comparison.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

I was recalling the original article/interviews as wiki often gets things incomplete.
You missed the point a bit.
The point was that the computers were of little help and were in fact a hindrance seeing that many of the sensors were destroyed by the damage.
Regards PhilipA

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Well the simple fact is: that aircraft, and most modern aircraft, will simply not get off the ground without computer control systems!

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Originally Posted by Old Farang

Well the simple fact is: that aircraft, and most modern aircraft, will simply not get off the ground without computer control systems!

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That's been the case for decades. The difference between a commercial jetliner and ANY car is stratospheric. The aircraft is far more complex, and its operating environment is far simpler, and far more regulated.

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Originally Posted by Tins

I was going to point out the "sponging on the poorer taxpayer" argument, but you did it far more eloquently ( and politely ) than I was going to... [bigwhistle]

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[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Shhhh I paid the vic milage EV tax- Until it wasn't legal for them to charge me and they gave me the money back with interest [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

ON EV only side[biggrin] In QLD for last two weeks. Hire car for one week. Checking the usual got $$$ A VOOM VOOM site offered me a BYD atto from Sixt car rentals for $42 Daily being 1/2 the price from them directly[bigsmile]

Noted that the BYD was a little better and a lot "not" in just a few areas. It still cannot tow my boat [thumbsupbig]

Dropped it off in 22degrees this morning. Car hire place drop off place had hundreds of cars with about 10%+ seeming to be EVs. Single Polestar, Kia BYD, MG, Volvo and Tesla ev were in a majority to the ICE. What was interesting was being there not that long ago saw almost no EV options.


EV charging North of Brisbane was much better than Vic!!!!!!!! Vic is not too bad now.

My complaint is personal- The bloody BYD windscreen wipers went on far to often until perhaps this morning. Got back to a chilly 12 degrees and a dull Melbourne winters day and turned my MGs windscreen wipers on three time [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

With news like I got this morning about a huge break through in Breast/Ovarian cancer treatment news I may just jump the gun and consider the Kia EV9 again[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE!!! I am a long-term tragic investor in some sectors [biggrin]