EV general discussion

My view is live and let live. If you want an electric car just buy one. My gripe is the way the internal combustion engine is being demonised and the Electric vehicle is being hailed as a saviour of the planet. There are financial incentives being given to buyers of electric vehicles being paid for by everyone else. My view is to put the electric vehicle on sale along side the internal combustion models and let the consumer decide. Forget the financial incentives skewing people towards the electric vehicle and let the customer decide on the merits of each vehicle as the did between petrol and diesel.

Came across this headline "Dog accidentally starts house fire." Colorado Springs Fire Department respond to house fire where the owner's dog accidentally switched on the oven which had boxes resting on top.
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So if you own an electric vehicle AND a dog you really living on the edge!

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

But what is warranted? That the batteries will perform as new, or will still have a range of....what....mere metres?

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The range won't be covered. They don't get the advertised range fresh from the factory, and every charge cycle shrinks the "tank". Warranty will be for faulty manufacture, and will be very limited.

OTH, my D2 still holds exactly the same amount of diesel today as it did 24 years and 340,000ks ago, and despite its age and wear still beats 10l per 100 on the highway. Only the cost of fuel has changed, and that's largely political so I'll leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by spudfan

Came across this headline "Dog accidentally starts house fire."

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Silly me leapt to the conclusion that they had a BYD.

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My view is live and let live. If you want an electric car just buy one. My gripe is the way the internal combustion engine is being demonised and the Electric vehicle is being hailed as a saviour of the planet. There are financial incentives being given to buyers of electric vehicles being paid for by everyone else. My view is to put the electric vehicle on sale along side the internal combustion models and let the consumer decide. Forget the financial incentives skewing people towards the electric vehicle and let the customer decide on the merits of each vehicle as the did between petrol and diesel.

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That's my view as well. I'm on record here saying that I don't care what anyone else drives ( apart from Bugatti owners, obviously ). If a Tesla floats your boat have at it. But, you should not get other people's money for choosing one. That sucks, and indicates someone of no conscience.

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Originally Posted by Tins

That's my view as well. I'm on record here saying that I don't care what anyone else drives ( apart from Bugatti owners, obviously ). If a Tesla floats your boat have at it. But, you should not get other people's money for choosing one. That sucks, and indicates someone of no conscience.

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So were you upset about the people who bought Holdens and several other brands when the Australian Government subsidised them to the tune of $2.17 billion in the twelve years prior to 2013?

Holden reveals billions in subsidies - ABC News

I remember the subsidy to Ford Australia ($140M?) was to develop a more fuel efficient engine in the 2l turbo for the Falcon.
Nobody bought them.
Sound familiar?
Regards PhilipA

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So were you upset about the people who bought Holdens and several other brands when the Australian Government subsidised them to the tune of $2.17 billion in the twelve years prior to 2013?

Holden reveals billions in subsidies - ABC News

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Totally different situation. As I said earlier, people cherry pick and exaggerate to skew the argument in their favour.

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Totally different situation. As I said earlier, people cherry pick and exaggerate to skew the argument in their favour.

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Subsidies, Tax incentives, Tariffs and taxes[biggrin]

Federal fight with other countries, State government often compete among ourselves for juicy investments Think Alcoa smelter in Port Land Vic?

Lynas Corp plant in Malysia was [bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle] Some of that's coming home[thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig]



Economic debates are interesting as they pick the rulz at times to fit the objective. CSIRO and some anti clean green nuclear power[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

All the car manufacturing did leave oz when the gravy train left the station. Interesting perhaps for everyone is we all get cheaper cars now in inflation adjusted dollars or am in cherry picking.

EU just put a temporary 4 month 38% tariff on tesla (made in China) [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Other cars from China are taxed as well plus a 10% duty. is it 37.6 or 38 or 47.6 or 48% tariff[biggrin][biggrin]

Suspect German car makers protectionism??


BIG Money is being thrown around to get new manufacturing in Mexico to avoid the USA tariffs. Reminds you of the Japanese cars moving plants to the USA for the same reason???

The world of changes is a bit slower in big trucks happily?

Subsidies for employment opportunities and such are not the same as pushing quasi green agenda ;)

also, this:

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My view is live and let live. If you want an electric car just buy one. My gripe is the way the internal combustion engine is being demonised and the Electric vehicle is being hailed as a saviour of the planet. There are financial incentives being given to buyers of electric vehicles being paid for by everyone else. My view is to put the electric vehicle on sale along side the internal combustion models and let the consumer decide. Forget the financial incentives skewing people towards the electric vehicle and let the customer decide on the merits of each vehicle as the did between petrol and diesel.

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In addition, if we ARE to talk about the environment I feel that the whole CO2 thing should be dropped and a true across the board environmental impact score should be developed and if you put a price on that score it should be added to all the different products and then give people a choice. I think the BEV would be extremely expensive compared to a ICE all of a sudden.

Since we don't make such decisions (that is to say since others don't make those decisions for us) and there seems to be a collusion between the industry and government it is not strange that there are people who point to this as "big green" the same way that people have pointed to the whole petrochemical industry in the past as "big oil".

-P