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I didn't realise they had tested so few. Surely there will be some with a much greater discrepancy than 14%.

23% is closer to the difference I would have expected.

So by the time they finish testing, 14% may be one of the better results rather than the worst.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

4000km clocked up now. (MG4 ev) I had thought 400ish would be the highway speed range. It is over 300 but not stretching to 400 at 110 or highway speeds. Melb - Ballarat return yesterday was about 280km. I had 25% left in the tank when I got back "Range of up to 435km (WLTP)‡" is possible at low speeds! AC was on.

Clearly not as advertised or my interpretation of "Range of up to 435km". The "‡" means come in spinner.[biggrin]

Two years till 'E' day in my thoughts. 'E' day for me will be:

1. Sub 10 minute charge possible
2. Tow capacity to 3.5 tonnes
3. 'Real' range of 800 or so.
4. Reliable
5. Repairable
6. The same very LOW Maintenace requirements of my current EV

Ok I want a lot[biggrin]

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Indeed you do, but not unrealistic requirements on a Vehicle that cost $20 million or maybe a tad less.[tonguewink]

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I didn't realise they had tested so few. Surely there will be some with a much greater discrepancy than 14%.

23% is closer to the difference I would have expected.

So by the time they finish testing, 14% may be one of the better results rather than the worst.

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It is a 4 year testing program and they have only just started. Good job if you can get it.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

4000km clocked up now. (MG4 ev) I had thought 400ish would be the highway speed range. It is over 300 but not stretching to 400 at 110 or highway speeds. Melb - Ballarat return yesterday was about 280km. I had 25% left in the tank when I got back "Range of up to 435km (WLTP)‡" is possible at low speeds! AC was on.

Clearly not as advertised or my interpretation of "Range of up to 435km". The "‡" means come in spinner.[biggrin]

Two years till 'E' day in my thoughts. 'E' day for me will be:

1. Sub 10 minute charge possible
2. Tow capacity to 3.5 tonnes
3. 'Real' range of 800 or so.
4. Reliable
5. Repairable
6. The same very LOW Maintenace requirements of my current EV

Ok I want a lot[biggrin]

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My MY has a WLTP of 455. I've done enough highway runs now. 400 with AC on seems the range to empty. Heaps for me.

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Originally Posted by DiscoDB

And you can forget about claiming MG published misleading range information. The High Court today ruled in favour of Mitsubishi in their appeal over the case that fuel consumption labels are misleading and deceptive.

This was the case where a Triton owner took Mitsubishi to court because his vehicle was using up to 36.8% more fuel than the official fuel consumption label. He won in VCAT, and then in the Victorian Supreme Court, but lost when Mitsubishi appealed to the High Court.

Basically gives car companies and dealers the right to continue to publish misleading and deceptive consumption figures.

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I’ve been 1 of 2 drivers (husband and wife) driving the same vehicle, on the same route, same weather conditions.

My wife’s average fuel consumption is usually lower than mine by 1-2l/100km.

The only thing those labels are good for is a comparison. Even then, only when stock standard, no CD altering accessories.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

My MY has a WLTP of 455. I've done enough highway runs now. 400 with AC on seems the range to empty. Heaps for me.

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Your results are very consistent with the official US EPA range (393km) which is considered the more accurate test cycle for outer suburban and regional driving.

If NavyDiver’s MG4 was tested to the US EPA test cycle the official range would probably be around 375km.

could it be?


"The luxury SUV will use an 800-volt architecture for high-speed charging. It will also be capable of wading through waist-deep water.

The first-ever all-electric Range Rover is in the works, and the British carmaker released the first teaser images of the big zero-emission SUV today. We’re talking about the big Range Rover here, not the smaller Range Rover Sport, just to be clear, although the latter will reportedly also get a battery-powered version sometime next year." "The British marque says its first fully electric model is anticipated to be the quietest and most refined car it ever made, and that it will be capable of wading through up to 33.4 inches (850 millimeters) deep water. That's just as capable as the Land Rover Defender.In other words, the luxurious battery-powered Range Rover should retain its off-road prowess even in all-electric guise, although we’re skeptical that owners actually take their $100,000+ four-wheeled barges on off the beaten track that often.
Besides being capable of wading through waist-deep water, the upcoming Range Rover EV will feature “a unique active road noise cancellation configuration and sound design” which should help reduce unwanted noise that would otherwise be covered by the combustion engine."

No range or towing capacity which without knowing if they are old school battery Lithium Liquid Catalyst or solid state is not long enough or fast enough[thumbsupbig]

They are almost certainly old school as they are a year ahead of my watch list schedule for Solid state. It would be nice to be surprised of course[thumbsupbig]

Link https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/n...899aff5a&ei=10

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

could it be?


"The luxury SUV will use an 800-volt architecture for high-speed charging. It will also be capable of wading through waist-deep water.

The first-ever all-electric Range Rover is in the works, and the British carmaker released the first teaser images of the big zero TAILPIPE emission SUV today. We’re talking about the big Range Rover here, not the smaller Range Rover Sport, just to be clear, although the latter will reportedly also get a battery-powered version sometime next year." "The British marque says its first fully electric model is anticipated to be the quietest and most refined car it ever made, and that it will be capable of wading through up to 33.4 inches (850 millimeters) deep water. That's just as capable as the Land Rover Defender.In other words, the luxurious battery-powered Range Rover should retain its off-road prowess even in all-electric guise, although we’re skeptical that owners actually take their $100,000+ four-wheeled barges on off the beaten track that often.
Besides being capable of wading through waist-deep water, the upcoming Range Rover EV will feature “a unique active road noise cancellation configuration and sound design” which should help reduce unwanted noise that would otherwise be covered by the combustion engine."

No range or towing capacity which without knowing if they are old school battery Lithium Liquid Catalyst or solid state is not long enough or fast enough[thumbsupbig]

They are almost certainly old school as they are a year ahead of my watch list schedule for Solid state. It would be nice to be surprised of course[thumbsupbig]

Link https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/n...899aff5a&ei=10

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Fixed it for you. :)

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Originally Posted by Tombie

I’ve been 1 of 2 drivers (husband and wife) driving the same vehicle, on the same route, same weather conditions.

My wife’s average fuel consumption is usually lower than mine by 1-2l/100km.

The only thing those labels are good for is a comparison. Even then, only when stock standard, no CD altering accessories.

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My wife's fuel consumption is typically 25% higher than mine ... and that's using a logbook to measure fill to fill with litres used and kms travelled. As you might guess, we have different driving styles ....

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

4000km clocked up now. (MG4 ev) I had thought 400ish would be the highway speed range. It is over 300 but not stretching to 400 at 110 or highway speeds. Melb - Ballarat return yesterday was about 280km. I had 25% left in the tank when I got back "Range of up to 435km (WLTP)‡" is possible at low speeds! AC was on.

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Could be worse: the BMW i3 range-extender (PHEV) version had a small ICE to recharge the battery when the battery ran out, but apparently it couldn't supply enough kWh to keep the battery topped up at highway speeds. So, if you were a long way from home and not near a charging point you could drive home slowly ...