Older people also like them as they are easier to get in and out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 350RRC
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Older people also like them as they are easier to get in and out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 350RRC
I took a few easy ones. Stopped changing out vehicles every few years. Stopped buying new cars, which require additional resources to build. Stopped worrying about resale and focused on overall benefits of keeping what I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by RANDLOVER
As I said, I have no intention of doing anything I don't want to, and that includes pandering to agendas designed to induce profits, at the expense of logic and common sense.
Now excuse me whilst I refine my model for our Mining Supply Chain [emoji847] got the Quarterly forecast to prepare for tomorrow [emoji3]
All good ideas, from this I hope people can see there are other actions they can take besides buying an EV.
Well I'm at a loss, how does buying an EV do anything other than destroy your wallet and drive you insane with range anxiety [bighmmm] It certainly does absolutely nothing for the environment. You would have to be absolutey brain washed to even dream it does ....I doubt I'd take one, even at next to no cost. Why have a giant fire prone battery near where your family sleeps for no reason other than stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by RANDLOVER
I don't think people buy twin cab utes is anything to do with reducing pollution (what a crazy thing to insinuate). People now don't have a quater acre block. most people live in hell holes where there is barely room to store there rubbish bin outside. The family wagon no longer exists, there is no room for the old " 6 x 4 " trailer ... The default vehicle pretty much by necessity for anyone that don't just sit at home on there bum playing computer games and watching TV .... is a twin cab ute. there isn't really an alternative. To suggest it is because they have become more efficient is crazy.... modern society has pretty much mandated them.
if you think the majority of australian can be bullied and co-erced into something as ridiculous and stupid as an EV, no matter what reguations are implement, you living in a dream world. I'm an average person, guess what likelyhood there is I will do something the goverment is trying to force me to ... .especially when blind freddy can see its absolutely moronic.
obviously we will just become the next cuba, like the UK is ... and norway ... and china ... everywhere they hold as as beacons of how amazing the EV is ... when you look into it, the vast, vast, vast majority of cars on the roads are NOT EV's. They just can't pry the ICE vehicles out of peoples hands. Even if they try massive restrictions on new ICE vehicles, people like me will just show them the middle finger and tell them to shove there heads where the sun doesn't shine.
seriously.... just try to make me do something I have no intenstion of doing. I can guarantee you will not succeed.
I'm pretty sure I get that you don't like EV's. Not that you really have any real understanding of what it's actually like to operate one. But sure.. whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
What we do need to do is enable people who are more logical to make good choices.
PS. How many dual cab utes per family is considered a good number for city dwellers?
I'm still waiting for this cohorts position on filling our cars with Russian crude that was shipped to India in "shadow tankers" and refined there.
Does that make us happy?
Does having a supply chain that only has a few weeks reserve cause any twinges of concern? Any inkling that maybe lessening our reliance on that wouldn't be a bad thing?
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PS. How many dual cab utes per family is considered a good number for city dwellers?
As many as they want. That is freedom of choice in a democracy.
That is why we are not driving Ladas.
Funnily enough it is Federal government policy that enables tradies to buy them by slapping a sign on the side claim depreciation and running costs, sometimes 100% immediately and not have to keep a logbook of private travel.
Go Figgurre!
Regards PhilipA
See the problem with "as many as they want" is that while it is just fine in rural areas, there are issues with it in our cities. Our streets are lined with 4x4's and SUV's that no one can fit in their garage, and then there are the pedestrian fatalities, which have increased 50% since 2021.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipA
While I'm sure everyone here drives carefully and doesn't run people over, if extrapolated on a whole population it does make a difference. Clearly it's a complex issue and our car choices aren't helping. People have accidents - it's just what it is. And if they are driving a larger vehicle the consequences are typically worse.
Do sports utility vehicles (SUVs) and light truck vehicles (LTVs) cause more severe injuries to pedestrians and cyclists than passenger cars in the case of a crash? A systematic review and meta-analysis | Injury PreventionQuote:
Yes, a 2025 study found that being hit by an SUV or similar large vehicle significantly increases the odds of a pedestrian being killed or seriously injured compared to smaller vehicles, raising the fatality risk by 44% for adults and 82% for children
And re instant asset write off...
SSSHHHH... Remember it's EV owners that are getting the free ride!
No, you are wrong. I think EV's are awesome, I just don't like stupidity. And EVs are absolutely ridiculous for all the reasons already talked about here. How does this grab you .... I don't like twin cab utes. They are kinda crap at everything, kinda useful .... I'd rather just have a proper 4wd and nice passenger sedan that I like. Only crazy people like me that work on the own cars (or the very wealthy) can do this though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
What on earth do you mean we need to "enable' people to make good choices. You mean you wish to FORCE to buy what YOU think they should buy. How does NO ... not ever sound to you :firedevil:
I love this play on words. What cars do you wish to "enable" poeple to buy. Tell me, what do you think I should be forced to do? What you are suggesting is already being done, they are calling it "vehicle efficiency standard". But its just an EV mandate in disguise. It will not work, people will rebel, absolutely 100% guaranteed. Look at the top selling cars in australia people want. An EV that matches these requirements does not exist.
It has been found that forcing people to do things doesn't end well. People don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
But if you structure policy to encourage them to make the choices you want then that tends to have better results.
As far as I know there is not really any examples of people being "forced" to buy EV's in Australia. If you can find some - fire away.
The Australian Government believe they have a mandate to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions and the transport sector accounts for 22% of our emissions. We need people to start choosing EV's when they buy a car. Or get people to drive cars which emit less carbon (not going well). Or somehow make people drive less.
Reducing transport emissions - DCCEEWQuote:
The transport sector is currently our third largest emitter, accounting for around 22% of Australia's emissions.
Passenger cars and light commercial vehicles alone contributed 60% of our transport emissions and over 10% of Australia's total emissions.