EV general discussion

Top economists call for budget measures to speed the switch to EV's in order to meet emission reduction targets. Subsidising public charging stations, subsidising the purchase of all electric vehicles, and setting a date to ban the import of traditionally powered cars is what is asked for. Seems a very big ask, to me.

1. https://cdn.theconversation.com/avat...0/peterout.jpgPeter MartinVisiting Fellow, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University

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Top economists call for budget measures to speed the switch to electric cars (theconversation.com)

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Originally Posted by bob10

Top economists call for budget measures to speed the switch to EV's in order to meet emission reduction targets. Subsidising public charging stations, subsidising the purchase of all electric vehicles, and setting a date to ban the import of traditionally powered cars is what is asked for. Seems a very big ask, to me.

1. https://cdn.theconversation.com/avat...0/peterout.jpgPeter MartinVisiting Fellow, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University

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Peter Martin does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment



Top economists call for budget measures to speed the switch to electric cars (theconversation.com)

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As no Poly has a suicide wish when it comes to the next Election, I can't see anything coming from calls like this. Even if something were to happen - where's the money coming from - we're talking multi billion dollars a year - for decades in all likelihood and still not coming close to solving any issues - the power to run them will still be coming from the grid - all we'll do is push the use of fossil fuels elsewhere - while there are some benefits to doing this regarding local pollution in the cities, etc it would be better to get the grid closer to being renewable than subsidising EV's.

And I riddle you this - where is the power coming from if we take all the ICE vehicles off the road over a short period - say 10 years? The grid sure can't handle that load as it is so solar and batteries on every roof with an EV would almost be mandatory - great stuff, but again - who's paying for it?

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Originally Posted by Homestar

As no Poly has a suicide wish when it comes to the next Election, I can't see anything coming from calls like this. Even if something were to happen - where's the money coming from - we're talking multi billion dollars a year - for decades in all likelihood and still not coming close to solving any issues - the power to run them will still be coming from the grid - all we'll do is push the use of fossil fuels elsewhere - while there are some benefits to doing this regarding local pollution in the cities, etc it would be better to get the grid closer to being renewable than subsidising EV's.

And I riddle you this - where is the power coming from if we take all the ICE vehicles off the road over a short period - say 10 years? The grid sure can't handle that load as it is so solar and batteries on every roof with an EV would almost be mandatory - great stuff, but again - who's paying for it?

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Exactly,i have been saying this for ages.The power has to come from somewhere,renewables wont be able to keep up.The amount of infastructure,even just the number and sizes of the cables,transformers,charging pointsetc,etc,will be huge.This is decades away.

I really think hydrogen powered vehicles have more chance of taking off than EV's.

And once the Govt starts giving money for this and that it all usually becomes a big mess and often turns into a rort,no matter what govt it is,although some do a better job than others.
Have a look at their track record...[bighmmm]

Some of the European countries are subsidising EV's,but they have said it wont be for long.
NZ will put a tax on new vehicles that emit over a nominated amount of emissions in the near future.It appears to be a one off tax when the new vehicle is sold,seems just another tax,nothing much else.I cant see it putting buyers of those vehicles off,they will just pay the tax.Apparently most dual cab utes will have the tax.

That’s the best part of being one of those learned types.

Big ideas and opinions with no application in the real world. [emoji56]

doesnt matter about renewables, aust still has the highest elec prices in the world. this is a barrier to entry, and with extra EV demand, prices will be going up.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

aust still has the highest elec prices in the world.

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Not even close - maybe in SA you’re getting close but not overall.

Cost of electricity in Australia – How are we doing in 2020?

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Not even close - maybe in SA you’re getting close but not overall.

Cost of electricity in Australia – How are we doing in 2020?

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maybe you should go read the link you posted as you just proved my point.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

maybe you should go read the link you posted as you just proved my point.

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I have - there's a link to 2017 when we were but now we are at 23 in 2019 and prices have fallen since then.

From the article -
In one of our articles from 2017, we reported that Australia was top-ranked for the most expensive electricity prices in the world. But as of September 2019, Australia had 23rd place locked in, as you may see in the table below – a solid feat, all things considered.

The link is to a 2017 report.

And another report here - • Electricity prices by country 2020 | Statista shows we are down the list a bit. Not sure what point you're trying to make or what your interpretation of the data is but happy to hear it.

And a 2019 fact check on a NSW Labor claim that NSW had the highest power prices in the world - Does NSW have the highest power prices in the developed world?

AEMC report shows prices dropping - https://www.aemc.gov.au/sites/defaul...2015122020.pdf

And the pretty little slide show to go with it - https://www.aemc.gov.au/sites/defaul...2015122020.pdf

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Originally Posted by Homestar

prices have fallen since then.

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they must be talking wholesale rates, cause residential rates have not gone down and are not that cheap.
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the statista link says aust rates are 25cents and rates havent been that cheap in 10 years.

Wholesale is around $0.05 give or take - the 25 cents is an average retail over the whole of Aus. Mine is down to $0.1984 per KWh from $0.22 2 years ago. Can get it for $0.18 ish at the moment here on an average of $0.2096 here in Vic at the moment. Most people don't shop around for their power so stick with one supplier year in, year out but there's always a deal to be had if you have the time and inclination to dick around every 12 months or so.

Electricity Costs Per kWh | QLD, SA, VIC, NSW Rates – Canstar Blue

But I can see SA is much more expensive than most States - but based on your power mix, that's understandable. Gas and reneawables aren't cheap - even though some people say they are - the proof is in the pudding. I'm sure ours will go up as we phase out more coal plants.