Thread: EV general discussion

A couple of years ago when I configured a Tesla online, you could play with different features to give you range estimations using the Tesla Range Estimator for different vehicles so you could compare them. I'll strain my brain to remember, but configurable things that affected range were; battery capacity selected, tyre size, aircon/heater running, headlights on/off, outside air temp, average speed, number of passengers, etc. I tried it as a back of the envelope type exercise to see if it was feasible to run a Tesla from North of Perth to Bunbury and back on the same charge and see if it was do-able winter/summer, strong winds or not.

According to which online profile you selected, the diameter tyres you fitted and whether the aircon is running and lights are on, how hot/cold/windy it was outside, these variables could give you a marked reduction in expected range in the multiples of 10's of kilometers. Even not accounting for a bit of battery degredation over time, I worked out that with the type of the running around while in Bunbury and surrounding townships visiting friends I usually did, it was barely marginal to use it for a day trip, depending on season and night/day driving. I figured it's horses for courses.

Originally Posted by Old Farang

The history of the electric car is longer than you might think

The history of the electric car is longer than you might think - ABC News

When Labor announced its plan to boost the number of electric cars in Australia over the next decade, an election campaign battleground opened up.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison accused his rival of wanting to "end the weekend when it comes to his policy on electric vehicles"; Bill Shorten returned fire by accusing the Government of running a "scare campaign".
But electric cars aren't new — they've been around for more than a century.
And for a moment at the advent of the automobile industry, they even threatened to become the dominant mode of transport.

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What killed electric cars was mainly two things -

1. Mass production (mainly Ford, but soon copied) meant that purchase price of conventional cars dropped from "if you have to ask how much you can't afford it" to affordable for middle class buyers over the period 1912-1920.

2. The selfstarter, which became at least optional in most cars over the same period.

Added to this perhaps was the rapid refinement and increase in performance that could not be matched by EVs of the time. Compared to conventional cars, while EVs were competitive in most respects and far better in refinement in 1910, by 1920 they were slow, heavy, limited range, and eye-wateringly expensive compared to most conventional cars. Compared to the few in the same price range, EVs were far slower, shorter range, and only slightly more refined.

How electric cars may change the future of the Australian service station

How electric cars may change the future of the Australian service station - ABC News

You may never have considered its existence, but the humble servo has accompanied you everywhere.

From refuelling the car to buying an ice cream on a hot day or picking up supplies on a road trip — it has been a hallmark of most Australian lives.
But in the decades to come, the service station as you know it could cease to exist.

Just how electric vehicles and alternate fuels like hydrogen will change the petrol station of the future is Ashley Lang's area of expertise.

To me the problem will be how to ensure sufficient space is available for long weekends and holidays.

This phenomenon has already happened in California half way to San Francisco when cars were queued for 8-16 hours at the Tesla Rapid Chargers.

Imagine a Service Station or even devoted fast Charger area during a long weekend.

The Tesla Chargers on the Central Coast are on the top floor of a car park at Tuggerah. Imagine the Chaos when say 20 Teslas are queued up blocking off the whole top floor of the carpark.

This to me is a big challenge. If it is true that most people will charge at home , how can the expense of providing very large areas for EV cars to queue on holidays and long weekends or during school holidays?

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

To me the problem will be how to ensure sufficient space is available for long weekends and holidays.

This phenomenon has already happened in California half way to San Francisco when cars were queued for 8-16 hours at the Tesla Rapid Chargers.

Imagine a Service Station or even devoted fast Charger area during a long weekend.

The Tesla Chargers on the Central Coast are on the top floor of a car park at Tuggerah. Imagine the Chaos when say 20 Teslas are queued up blocking off the whole top floor of the carpark.

This to me is a big challenge. If it is true that most people will charge at home , how can the expense of providing very large areas for EV cars to queue on holidays and long weekends or during school holidays?

Regards PhilipA

Its a issue. I am still looking/waiting for a camping gen set that will also fit in my boat for long offshore fishing as well as re power the EV I want to tow my boat 400+ km. Honestly a trip to Dive on HMAS Hobart in SA from here would be almost the minimum I want before a EV replaces my Disco.

The Aussie ( very pricey) Green Energy Hydrogen Battery by LAVO™ Australia
allows you to remove cylinders of hydrogen to add to other fuel cells. add news like "Fraunhofer develops ‘power paste’ that holds hydrogen The paste could replace tanks and power small to large fuel cell vehicles." and I suspect a Multipurpose hydrogen Genet just might provide the four roles I want before I consider buying a multi role UPS replacement for work which also fits in my EvDisco, EvBoat and...

castle.jpg its good to dream. Fuels change over time Hydrogen goop might be here soon.

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Electric Cars Catch Fire On Charging Station In China – Shocking Video

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Originally Posted by Old Farang

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Electric Cars Catch Fire On Charging Station In China – Shocking Video

Read more at: Electric Cars Catch Fire On Charging Station In China - Shocking Video

Electric Cars Catch Fire On Charging Station In China – Shocking Video (gaadiwaadi.com)

Yeah, that’s an oldie. It’s going to happen again and again. When you push that much current through a system it very quickly finds the weak points and lights them up.

Connectors, and humans mating the connectors are always going to be weak points. Then you have all the other weak points. Since some people think it’s acceptable for some low percentage of land rover V6 donks to snap a crank I can’t see how it couldn’t be acceptable for a low percentage of electric vehicles to burst into flames and ignite whatever is near them. “Acceptable manufacturing issues” in a mass produced product. After all, it’s a low percentage and it doesn’t affect me.

I'm not even going to consider an electric vehicle.

I believe that hydrogen fuelled ICE vehicles will rapidly rise to prominence and EVs will pale into insignificance.

EV's will always be available, always have been for those that like them.

In Australia we wont count , it's USA and Europe that will be the deciding factor in motor vehicle propulsion , we will have leftovers thanks.