Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I think that's probably an overly negative take on it.. but that's this thread delivering.

It has to be reality. We can't afford to have them sitting around in wrecking yards or holding yards waiting to be repaired. They are torching off to often. especially with the mandated separation required.

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remember, we are talking batteries not cars. We cant' afford to act in a "she'll be right mate" manner around these things. I'm pretty sure mechanics and body shops will not touch them, imagine the insurance you will need as a mechanic or smash repair if a car torches off and burns down a house after you have worked on it.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

It has to be reality. We can't afford to have them sitting around in wrecking yards or holding yards waiting to be repaired. They are torching off to often. especially with the mandated separation required.

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remember, we are talking batteries not cars. We cant' afford to act in a "she'll be right mate" manner around these things. I'm pretty sure mechanics and body shops will not touch them, imagine the insurance you will need as a mechanic or smash repair if a car torches off and burns down a house after you have worked on it.

Statistically ICE cars catch fire much much more often. Your workshop would be far far safer filled with EV's than ICE. Sorry.

People who look at this stuff estimate they are between 20 and 80 times less likely to catch fire.

I don't worry about charging my EV but I do worry about my petrol and diesel cars catching fire. I think they are up to 8 in Australia now, which is probably only a weeks worth of Land rover fires.


https://www.drive.com.au/news/do-ele...-myths-busted/

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Statistically ICE cars catch fire much much more often. Your workshop would be far far safer filled with EV's than ICE. Sorry.

People who look at this stuff estimate they are between 20 and 80 times less likely to catch fire.

I don't worry about charging my EV but I do worry about my petrol and diesel cars catching fire. I think they are up to 8 in Australia now, which is probably only a weeks worth of Land rover fires.


https://www.drive.com.au/news/do-ele...-myths-busted/

Yeah, I don't believe any of those stats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIDZT55rwh4

Look into it a little further. Its not just the ev spontaniously combusting that is the issue, any fire the torches the EV off, is also a huge issue. Its probably safer to have dirty big LPG bottles on your house than an EV in its garage if your house catches fire

If my ICE vehicles catch fire, I can control it with a garden hose. Its highly unusual for a cold, unused petrol/diesel/lpg vehicle to burst into flames. Generaly they do it while very hot (or being driven). The large majority of them in my area are idiots torching off stolen cars (lets hope they never find out what a spectacular fire it'll be if they start stealing and torching EV's ..... ).

An EV must have a 15 meter barrier around it if its been involved in any sort of accident. Can you see the issue yet? What towy/crashy has a carpark with a 15meter exclusion zoen around every car ..... I have seen pictures of farms located near capital cities iwth paddocks of seperated electric cars stored in them (here, in australia).

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Shane L.

I doubt wrecked cars moulder away in scrap yards with undamaged batteries, the batteries are still valuable and can be used to repair other ev's or houses to store solar energy.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I doubt wrecked cars moulder away in scrap yards with undamaged batteries, the batteries are still valuable and can be used to repair other ev's or houses to store solar energy.

No they can't. They won't mouler in a scrap yard due to fire risk (they must have a 15 meter exlcusion zone around them).

So you think people are going to remove a big heavy battery from an EV, remove its cooling systems, heating systems, exotic battery management systems, and place those fire prone, aged, possibly damaged batteries on there house ..... where the family sleeps.

No, they can't be recycled. Well, in theory they can. But the recycling plants burn down like clockwork. Even the latest, newest big whizz bang recyling plants are burning (infact there is one in america they has burnt several times in the last few years).

These aren't old AAA duracel batteries we are talking about, they are leaking, aged, dangerous cobalt based lithium batteries that can suffer "thermal run-away" at any point.

Lets say by some miracle they managed to recycle the batteries safely in Europe or America, and actually fully process the batteries (not just create stock piles of black dust). How do we get the big dangerous car batteries too this location? There has already been 3 cargo ship sunk in the last few years moving brand new batteries in brand new cars. How many will sink if we start shipping damaged, aged batteries?

Like I said, these environmental disasters will just get buried for everyones safety.

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Shane L.

My recent reading on the EV industry in China is that BYD is leading a race to the bottom. Now BYD may survive but many of the smaller, newer brands will not. How good is the 7 year warranty if the company has disappeared?
There appears to be a significant worry in China that BYD even is pressuring suppliers so much that quality will suffer.
The Chinese government is currently investigating the issue of new EVs (at grass) reported as sold but just stored in gigantic warehouses and fields. They qualify for a subsidy when sold.
Knowing the corruption in China this may come to nothing , but even BYD is implicated.
The GWM CEO recently said that the industry at present is unsustainable. Ironically GWM is probably best placed to weather an EV slowdown.
At least the Australian advertising and marketing industry seems to be making money .
Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

No they can't. They won't mouler in a scrap yard due to fire risk (they must have a 15 meter exlcusion zone around them).

So you think people are going to remove a big heavy battery from an EV, remove its cooling systems, heating systems, exotic battery management systems, and place those fire prone, aged, possibly damaged batteries on there house ..... where the family sleeps.

No, they can't be recycled. Well, in theory they can. But the recycling plants burn down like clockwork. Even the latest, newest big whizz bang recyling plants are burning (infact there is one in america they has burnt several times in the last few years).

These aren't old AAA duracel batteries we are talking about, they are leaking, aged, dangerous cobalt based lithium batteries that can suffer "thermal run-away" at any point.

Lets say by some miracle they managed to recycle the batteries safely in Europe or America, and actually fully process the batteries (not just create stock piles of black dust). How do we get the big dangerous car batteries too this location? There has already been 3 cargo ship sunk in the last few years moving brand new batteries in brand new cars. How many will sink if we start shipping damaged, aged batteries?

Like I said, these environmental disasters will just get buried for everyones safety.

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Shane L.

Removing an ev battery is not rocket surgery, organisations I worked for had diesel generators removed from their cooling, exhaust, fuel and power systems and sold. One we had removed from a leased building and trailer mounted, as like I said still valuable. For used ev batteries see, How our services help businesses and the environment
? Second Life Battery Sales no doubt there are others.

Not to mention ICE cars that have their big heavy engines removed from their complex systems everyday.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Removing an ev battery is not rocket surgery, organisations I worked for had diesel generators removed from their cooling, exhaust, fuel and power systems and sold. One we had removed from a leased building and trailer mounted, as like I said still valuable. For used ev batteries see, How our services help businesses and the environment
? Second Life Battery Sales no doubt there are others.

Not to mention ICE cars that have their big heavy engines removed from their complex systems everyday.

Seriously, don't even dream it. The manufacturers making brand new house batteries can't even manage it without massive, constant recalls due to fire risk. Go have a look at the Tesla youtube video I posted last week, just look at how leaky and damaged every battery unit was. Nuts, its just nuts. Now if you talking the older non lithium based batteries.... maybe. But no, certainly not with cobalt based chemistries.

I have no doubt, the cost of disposing these batteries is going to be so frighteningly expensive, they will force unique identifiers onto them to prevent dumping. You can take a lead acid battery anywhere and get money for it. Have you ever seen anyone advertsing "wanted to buy" lithium batteries. The batteries link you posted is a joke. as soon as I see catch phrases like "circular economy".

I know someone that contacted these mobs in australia trying to get rid of a fictional nissan leaf battery. This is the safe type of chemistry battery. They couldn't give him a price, but required high end hazardous waste transport to them ... and "maybe" they "might" be able to take it.

All this battery wishy washy recyling caper is smoke and mirrors if you even look into the slightest bit sadly.

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Shane L.