Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Detroit two stroke?

I've never driven one (don't have a truck license for starters)... The sound is something else. Pretty sure my grandfather said he used to work on these. Do you think I could ever work out how to drive an old twin stick screamer .... It sure would be fun to try.

In about 1973, I was on a tour near San Francisco on a roundie bus with a detroit diesel and manual transmission.
The clutch failed and we were set for a 2-4 hour wait for service.
The driver didn't have a clue so I showed him how to drive it without a clutch. Got back to the hotel pretty quickly with the driver thinking I was a magician.
Still remember those sounds as well as the Commer Knocker. (that will sort the younguns from the crusties)
Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

In about 1973, I was on a tour near San Francisco on a roundie bus with a detroit diesel and manual transmission.
The clutch failed and we were set for a 2-4 hour wait for service.
The driver didn't have a clue so I showed him how to drive it without a clutch. Got back to the hotel pretty quickly with the driver thinking I was a magician.
Still remember those sounds as well as the Commer Knocker. (that will sort the younguns from the crusties)
Regards PhilipA

yeah the commer knocker is what my grandfather used to work on a lot. How could a trucky not know how to drive without a clutch? that is bizarre, once your moving in a truck you don't touch the clutch ... they are a crash box ... designed for shifting the gears without using the clutch. I thought every trucker loved the old road ranger boxes

RoadRanger is not a crash box, it's a constant mesh variety.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

RoadRanger is not a crash box, it's a constant mesh variety.

Have you ever heard me trying to drive one

But some are more equal than others.

There are a couple in the series.

Then there's this:



Pretty boxes are not really an indication of quality.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

What is your point. Are you saying you should be able to decide what sort of car your neighbour buys. I'd love to live next door to you so I could tell you exactly what I thought of your opinions on what I personaly should buy. Hang on, don't you own a twin cab ute. Say your not religious are you? That is way most religious nutters live, they want to tell everyone else how they should live there life, while not doing what they say themselves.

You obviously very much do care what other people buy, you sure spend a lot of time explaining to everyone why "everyone else" is stupid for doing exactly what you have done yourself. Yes "transport" is about 20% (of 1% of pollution) for autralia. This includes, shipping, trains, planes, trucks... all of transport. Personal cars would be a tiny percentage of this. They are very careful not to seperate this out from the "tranport" figure as it would show how ridiculous this electric throw-away caper is.

Nope. Nope. I don't care what anyone buys. I don't care what my neighbour buys. I don't really care what any individual buys. What I care about is the mess we're making for ourselves. Despite what you think Austalians are buying, the data says that all we are buying now is 4x4's and SUVs. I concede that some cars on this list are really just boxy wagons.

If we have any hope of meeting our climate targets it's likely we will have to pay to remove these cars from the road before their economic lives are out. Personally I'd rather people that didn't really need them didn't buy them so that people that actually needed them could have uninhibited access to them.

I believe you're delusional if you think the needs of Australian motorists is so different now to 20 years ago. For that once or twice a year when we needed to take a load to the dump, or go camping/holidaying - we had a thing called a box trailer. What an idea! Ours was bright yellow! You could even let the rubbish pile up for weeks before a dump run, and use shovels in it and not worry about the paint. Glorious.

The whole reason NVES exists is because so many people are buying large inefficient cars who never use them for anything other than driving around the city. The same things that not very long ago they managed perfectly well with sedans and wagons. NVES puts some of the responsibility for this mess back on the car makers who IMHO are very largely responsible. They've encouraged us to buy these things, now they can help find a solution to the problem. I wish NVES was more aggressive. The only people who would feel the pain is car makers who I've no sympathy for.

Look at that 2005 list. Half of the cars are what we would call "small" cars by todays standards.

Check 1985. Not a 4x4 or dual cab to be seen. Yet we had boats, Caravans etc etc.

So yes, when I see a family where all the cars are 4x4's or dual cabs I'm going to thing they are taking the proverbial and judge them for that choice. When I see a shiny DC with not a mark on it and nothing in the tray driving around the city, I'm going to judge them too. Sorry, not sorry. Yes many cars are bought as statements about how people want to be perceived. This is not new - but advertising has been so successful that 4x4/DC now fill that role.


2025

1. Ford Ranger ute – 56,555 (-9.6%)
2. Toyota RAV4 medium SUV – 51,947 (-11.5%)
3. Toyota HiLux ute – 51,297 (-4.1%)
4. Isuzu D-Max ute – 26,839 (-11.1%)
5. Ford Everest large SUV – 26,161 (-1.3%)
6. Toyota LandCruiser Prado large SUV – 26,106 (+166.3%)
7. Hyundai Kona small SUV – 22,769 (+31.1%)
8. Mazda CX-5 medium SUV – 22,742 (-0.4%)
9. Mitsubishi Outlander medium SUV – 22,459 (-18.7%)
10. Tesla Model Y medium SUV – 22,239 (+4.6%)

2005

1 Holden Commodore – 66,794

2 Ford Falcon – 53,080

3 Toyota Corolla – 46,415

4 Toyota Camry – 34,492

5 Holden Astra – 33,070

6 Mazda 3 – 32,570

7 Toyota HiLux – 31,369

8 Holden Rodeo – 24,582

9 Ford Territory – 23,454

10 Holden Utility – 20,202

11 Ford Falcon Ute – 18,384

12 Nissan Pulsar – 17,643

13 Honda Accord – 17,579

14 Hyundai Getz – 16,455

15 Toyota LandCruiser Prado – 15,335

16 Toyota Echo – 15,180

17 Mazda 6 – 14,783

18 Mitsubishi Lancer – 13,641

19 Hyundai Elantra – 13,353

20 Subaru Forester – 12,320


1985

• Ford Falcon (76,818 units)
• Holden Commodore (62,436 units)
• Ford Laser-Meteor (35,479 units)
• Toyota Corolla (28,269 units)
• Mitsubishi Magna (26,902 units)
• Holden Camira (24,395 units)
• Toyota Corona-Camry (23,143 units)
• Ford Telstar (20,982 units)
• Nissan Pulsar (16,348 units)
• Nissan Bluebird (15,528 units)

In EV hews Hyundai have cut prices of all their EV's. I can't find a link but the Ioniq 5 has also been cut again! This is what NVES is supposed to do!

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