Thread: Would Australia have enough Electricity (now) if everyone switched to EV ?

Originally Posted by JDNSW

The grid will be updated over time to accommodate the demand, the same as happened with airconditioning homes in the last quarter of the twentieth century, which resulted in a major shift in not only the quantity of power demand but the timing of that demand.

The only thing wrong with that analogy is that they weren't simultaneously decommissioning major generating plants and replacing them with unreliable alternatives. Hazlewood and Bayswater were capable of supplying 90% of their ( large ) CF 24/7. Even the most avid supporter of "renewables" would have to admit that they aren't capable of anything like that. Take hydro out of the equation ( might as well, because Tasmania aside it's around 5% of our energy source ) and "renewables" are lucky to provide 15% of their CF on average.

I. too. am used to outages. Happened all of my life as well. But don't you think that after 60 or whatever years we could do better?

Speaking for myself, I have - I have not been grid connected since 1994!

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Huh?
the reason fuel is 1.60 is that at least 50cents per litre is tax.
I read yesterday that in the UK it is now a requirement that car chargers are now to be separately billed and able to be centrally controlled to allow authorities to turn them off at times of high demand.
Next step will be tax.
Lets see how smug the EV drivers are when they pay an equivalent tax level to liquid fuel.
Regards PhilipA

Indeed. I can't imagine Govt forgoing the revenue they milk from the roads simply to show their green credentials ( a fantasy anyway ). Then the supply cost will be manipulated by Govt and the wholesalers to increase revenue for both.

The main factor in fuel prices here is the Terminal Gate Price. We are beholden to that because we ceased our own refining operations and a large % of our fuel comes from OS. So, if the price goes up in South Korea it goes up here.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Speaking for myself, I have - I have not been grid connected since 1994!

I simply can't do that where I live. But I intend to make it happen wherever it is I go. All I need is a perennial creek.

An interesting article form Road&Track which indicates that only small percentages of populations, EG 5% in the USA intend to buy EVs as their next vehicle.

Road & Track (roadandtrack.com)
It quotes a worldwide Deloitte study which asked drivers in many countries of their buying intentions.
I Have not read the full study but I bet that Australia will be down at the 5% level also.
Maybe all those car companies abandoning research on ICE engines are setting themselves up for losses.
Regards PhilipA
I have now read the Deloitte survey and it is very interesting stuff. BTW Australia is included in SE Asia.

One of the most interesting things to me is that consumers in many countries do not see EVs as superior to ICE vehicles from an environment point of view, with many at about 50/50.
BTW I quoted a post about mandatory separtae billing of EV chargers in UK.
Here is the reference to the article
EV Chargers To Be Separately Metered – Watts Up With That?

Originally Posted by PhilipA

An interesting article form Road&Track which indicates that only small percentages of populations, EG 5% in the USA intend to buy EVs as their next vehicle.

Road & Track (roadandtrack.com)
It quotes a worldwide Deloitte study which asked drivers in many countries of their buying intentions.
I Have not read the full study but I bet that Australia will be down at the 5% level also.
Maybe all those car companies abandoning research on ICE engines are setting themselves up for losses.
Regards PhilipA
I have now read the Deloitte survey and it is very interesting stuff. BTW Australia is included in SE Asia.

One of the most interesting things to me is that consumers in many countries do not see EVs as superior to ICE vehicles from an environment point of view, with many at about 50/50.
BTW I quoted a post about mandatory separtae billing of EV chargers in UK.
Here is the reference to the article
EV Chargers To Be Separately Metered – Watts Up With That?

A mix of 1950 tobacco V cancer to the current mix of anti via confusion and variation? No one can say a EV is carbon neutral as it takes a lot of resources and energy to make ICE or EV.

The make Doubt via the tabacco industry via White Coat doubt was a very effective strategy from 1954 when mice proved tar on their skin resulted in cancer. 150+ court cases from 1950s to 1990 lost to the disinformation campaign by tobacco. Doubt campaign was a rule book via tobacco which climate change operation has used to the same effect. 1990 air hostess with lung cancers from passive smoking was the first kick to tobacco expert white coat disinformation programs. 350 million for that one.

The disinformation from 1950s guide to making doubt targeted less educated older men. I wonder if I am in that group to try?As I have a silly MG ev I hope not. Its not a disco replacement. I wish and trust I may have one soon as the options is clear.

"In 1989, shortly after the presentation by the Exxon's manager of science and strategy development Duane LeVine to the board of directors which reiterated that introducing public policy to combat climate change "can lead to irreversible and costly Draconian steps," the company shifted its position on the climate change ... "
The year before Both Margaret Thatcher and George Bush made unequivocal statements on climate change. The play book by oil and tobacco is identical and busted plus by the documents the idiots left for history to see.

I could be wrong as I only heard this on a BBC pod cast on Doubt today which seemed to have more than enough documents to make a nasty joke of the oil and tobacco industry. make up your own mind is ok. ignoring the clear disinformation seems a little odd to me.

Originally Posted by Tins

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The main factor in fuel prices here is the Terminal Gate Price. We are beholden to that because we ceased our own refining operations and a large % of our fuel comes from OS. So, if the price goes up in South Korea it goes up here.

World parity pricing started in the Hawke era.

The idea at the time was to get the existing explorers, drillers and refiners making enough money to keep exploring, drilling and refining.

DL

Originally Posted by 350RRC

World parity pricing started in the Hawke era.

The idea at the time was to get the existing explorers, drillers and refiners making enough money to keep exploring, drilling and refining.

DL

Yes. In those days it was OPEC. Hawke, Keating, Howard all adhered to it. The why still eludes me. Exploring, drilling and refining was going to proceed no matter what Canberra thought. Still does.

Strange, under their previous administration, the US became independent of the rest of the world's oil, and were a nett exporter. Wonder what happened.