Thread: V8 Discovery on Hydrogen

Originally Posted by sclarke

Please tell us more....
i'm not yet convinced.. but the idea sounds great...
if you can show us the before MPG and after and how it works.
Where did you get it or did you design it???
does it work on conjunction with my Flux capatitor and Hiclone???

Only if you have a Polariser fitted

Originally Posted by mcrover

Hahaha Clarkie, thats a cracker

Im not going to bother going into the ins and outs of why it doesnt work, it just doesnt and you went out and fitted it, wasted money and are now trying to convince others to do the same.

I have seen many of these systems, 1 of them claimed to ionise the intake air to convert it to hydrogen before it mixed with the fuel blah blah blah.....

He claimed it worked great as well and it cost him several hundred $ to build.

We put it on a Dyno, with it turned off we tested and turned on we tested and there was no difference, when we removed it he picked up a couple of Hp due to better flow through the intake manifold.

Theres also the Browns gas conversion using baking soda and some other ingredients which is meant to produce Hydrogen, which it obviously doesnt, it produces Co2.

The canisters that you have built cant produce anywhere near enough hydrogen if any to make the slightest bit of difference to anything.

There is a word for this......FRAUD....

It's just another snake oil.

Go chuck it on a Dyno and post up the results.

The results need to be.

Removed anything from intake system - Torque and power figures
Fitted not running - Torque and power figures
Fitted and running - Torque and power figures

This has to be from a reputable company, scanned off a hard copy and then needs to be signed by a JP and accomanied with a stat dec before I will believe it.

Sorry to rain on your parade

i take it you have built a few systems?
Granted most internet systems are not true, but browns Gas, baking soda, CO2 ? you should realy check your facts before posting

No I havnt built one of these systems but I have removed at least 2 of them.

1 because when we put it on a Dyno we found that it lossed a couple of Hp with it fitted (92 Toyota Hilux duel cab 4cyl petrol) and the second becaus it started a fire in the engine bay due to a dead short in one of the canister (converters or what ever you want to call them).

The reason they are not used in the main is because they are a scam.

They have been tested by several people and the main reason you wont find buggert all scientific info on them that is credible is because nobody will be bothered wasting the money due to it NOT BEING POSSIBLE for it to work.

On the Browns gas I may be wrong as it was one of the brain surgeons that fitted one of these systems that was telling me about that so that information is most likely not correct and it was baking soda, water and vinigar I think was his mix and the gas that came off the foam was meant to be Hydrogen......which it obviously isnt.

Originally Posted by cartm58

so the simple questions are

1. what were you doing mpg pre installation
2. what are you doing mpg post installation
3. what did installation cost you
4. did you retune or recalibrate the electricals for the system to work
5. what down side have you encountered
6. whats the payback time on the conversion

1. 4-5.5 kms per litre
2. 5-6.5 kms per litre (up to 7 on one trip)
have only done 1500km - want to run up many more to minimise effect of varibles)
3. $600 (I remember my first mobile phone cost me over $2500. I have no problem with spending $ on new technology - eventually it will be affordable for the followers)
4. no re-calibration done on electrics yet
5. Downsides - other than sustaining the barrage of cynical rubbish from people who havent even given it a go, there are no obvious downsides. Definately no drop in power, even with high draw from cells alternater is keeping battery fully charged, no effect on engine tuning - if anything running a little smoother. I am a motor mechanic and for a whole lot of reasons struggle to understand why this concept is not being pursued more aggressivlely.
6. Not an issue at this stage to me - my objective is to get results. When 'off the shelf' kits are availible then I think its time to answer payback question.

Originally Posted by cnorris

1. 4-5.5 kms per litre
2. 5-6.5 kms per litre (up to 7 on one trip)
have only done 1500km - want to run up many more to minimise effect of varibles)
3. $600 (I remember my first mobile phone cost me over $2500. I have no problem with spending $ on new technology - eventually it will be affordable for the followers)
4. no re-calibration done on electrics yet
5. Downsides - other than sustaining the barrage of cynical rubbish from people who havent even given it a go, there are no obvious downsides. Definately no drop in power, even with high draw from cells alternater is keeping battery fully charged, no effect on engine tuning - if anything running a little smoother. I am a motor mechanic and for a whole lot of reasons struggle to understand why this concept is not being pursued more aggressivlely.
6. Not an issue at this stage to me - my objective is to get results. When 'off the shelf' kits are availible then I think its time to answer payback question.

If you were a motor mechanic then you would know why it's not being used as well as why so many people are so cynical about it.

18ltrs/100kms before the system to 15ltr/100kms with the system....

Ok well when you put it on the Dyno then please post the results and I will happilly eat my words....

Found this, this is what your are doing basically

The electrolysis of water is a simple method of producing hydrogen. A low voltage current is run through the water, and gaseous oxygen forms at the anode while gaseous hydrogen forms at the cathode. Typically the cathode is made from platinum or another inert metal when producing hydrogen for storage. If, however, the gas is to be burnt on site, oxygen is desirable to assist the combustion, and so both electrodes would be made from inert metals. (Iron, for instance, would oxidize, and thus decrease the amount of oxygen given off.) The theoretical maximum efficiency (electricity used vs. energetic value of hydrogen produced) is between 80–94%.[64]

From here:
Hydrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scale is the probem, you would need a system the size of your car to do what your claiming.

Hydrogen fuel cells are a different story all together as they are seen to be a feasable way to power a vehical if they can make comercial quantities of hydrogen without burning to much fossil fuels in doing so.

Originally Posted by mcrover

Found this, this is what your are doing basically

The electrolysis of water is a simple method of producing hydrogen. A low voltage current is run through the water, and gaseous oxygen forms at the anode while gaseous hydrogen forms at the cathode. Typically the cathode is made from platinum or another inert metal when producing hydrogen for storage. If, however, the gas is to be burnt on site, oxygen is desirable to assist the combustion, and so both electrodes would be made from inert metals. (Iron, for instance, would oxidize, and thus decrease the amount of oxygen given off.) The theoretical maximum efficiency (electricity used vs. energetic value of hydrogen produced) is between 80–94%.[64]

From here:
Hydrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scale is the probem, you would need a system the size of your car to do what your claiming.

Hydrogen fuel cells are a different story all together as they are seen to be a feasable way to power a vehical if they can make comercial quantities of hydrogen without burning to much fossil fuels in doing so.

wow, you can wiki, now wiki Browns Gas, also look at what is involved in manufacturing an Hydrogen cell. Also look at electrolytes in electrolysis.
and for a giggle look at imposition as opposed to explosion.
Oh and have a look at a salt chlorinator on any swimming pool, maybe even look up what Gas's it produces
I think that’s enough home work for tonight, may carry on with your education tomorrow, or I may just use a brick wall.

I've spent a couple of hours on the net looking for something concrete which debunks this thing but mostly all I got was hits about wondrous hydrogen devices to save me money.

I did find this Water Car Test - HHO Shows Why You Can't Run Cars on Water - Popular Mechanics

Q: Why aren't the auto manufacturers going down the this road? And don't tell me its a conspiracy they're in with the oil companies