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101 Ron

9th December 2010, 07:40 AM

I should get this by Christmas.:D
I found the 101 was getting a bit small for my needs.
I will have to measure thing up when it arrives , but I should be able to fit the 101 in the back and take it with me too.
Some of the specs
6.5 litre Rolls Royce straight 8
Empty weight 10 tonnes.
3 tonne atlas crane.
5 tonne payload
10 tonne towed load
cruises at 6 knots in water.
All the rest of the stuff is all bad like the road speed and fuel burn.
I may have to leave my full time mechanics job and just spend my time working on this thing.:p:p:p
For all of it faults it is still a very interesting , but complex vehicle.
It is also different from its sisters in the Alvis family in many ways.
The jet drives, bilge pump, hydraulic pump, winch , air compressor drives means a different gearbox has to be used from the other vehicles in the Alvis family.
Now I just have to see what BP shares are selling at the moment so it is worth while to fill the silly thing with petrol !
Ron
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wovenrovings

9th December 2010, 07:55 AM

Actually might be a sensible buy with the amount its raining at the moment. Perhaps you could get some work out in western NSW at the moment.:D

isuzurover

9th December 2010, 09:08 AM

Nice...

So you measure fuel consumption in L/km instead of L/100km??? :D

How big is the fuel tank???

THE BOOGER

9th December 2010, 09:29 AM

YouTube - Combat Land Rover Line-up

ron dont know if yourv have seen this but look at 7.20 nice short bit on the stalwart:D the rest isnt to bad either:)

Lotz-A-Landies

9th December 2010, 10:50 AM

:o I'm not sure if I need to congratulate you or send you my sympathies! :BigThumb: :D

Lucus

9th December 2010, 11:01 AM

Im not sure what it is, im not sure why you need it but i luuuuuuuuurve it.

Can i borrow it for saturday morning trips too the shops.....???:p

Lotz-A-Landies

9th December 2010, 11:06 AM

Seeing that it has a crane, can you get an over width permit to drive it on the road? Will it also have to be registered as a vessel when you go fishing in the Shoalhaven or Jervis Bay?

101 Ron

9th December 2010, 02:57 PM

It will be on historic plates.
The RTA said they will allow a special over width permit as the vehicle will see little use on road because of the historic plates.
If I was going for commerial rego I think the answer would have been no.
There will most likely be other restrictions too , like no towing of trailers ect.
Because it does under 10 knots I dont think it will need boat rego.
I will do the boat rego thing as a joke anyhow and fill in the rego form like...

Drive up to outside the MSB office, apply the parking brake, climb out of cabin top after undoing the submarine hatch, throw out the anchor and rope (so it doesnt drift away of cause) and march in:wasntme:

Make ...Alvis
Hull.....steel
Engine.....Rolls Royce
Draft.....2 mtrs
Drive....twin dowty 500 kg water jets
Water line lenght....6.3 mtrs
Beam...2.6 mtrs.
Should be a laugh watching the face of the person reading the boat rego form.
Another interesting thing would be the persons allowed on board.
For the water line lenght I think the MSB allows eight.
The british army allowed 38 or 5 tonnes

101 Ron

9th December 2010, 03:06 PM

Nice...

So you measure fuel consumption in L/km instead of L/100km??? :D

How big is the fuel tank???

About 450 litres
On a good day that may get you 400 to 500 km.

Lotz-A-Landies

9th December 2010, 03:16 PM

....
I will do the boat rego thing as a joke anyhow and fill in the rego form like...

Drive up to outside the MSB office, apply the parking brake, climb out of cabin top after undoing the submarine hatch, throw out the anchor and rope (so it doesnt drift away of cause) and march in:wasntme:

Make ...Alvis
Hull.....steel
Engine.....Rolls Royce
Draft.....2 mtrs
Drive....twin dowty 500 kg water jets
Water line lenght....6.3 mtrs
Beam...2.6 mtrs.
Should be a laugh watching the face of the person reading the boat rego form.
Another interesting thing would be the persons allowed on board.
For the water line lenght I think the MSB allows eight.
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juddy

9th December 2010, 03:17 PM

Nice, as it got its swim gear???? was this based in Germany??

isuzurover

9th December 2010, 03:24 PM

About 450 litres
On a good day that may get you 400 to 500 km.

So about 1 L / km then - as I thought!!!

The economy on water would be worse wouldn't it???

Make sure you fill up (and carry extra) before any aquatic adventures. The coast guard may struggle to tow that thing back in to shore! :D

101 Ron

9th December 2010, 03:57 PM

I dont know its history, but they were used by the british army and I beleive some were station in Germany.
I am sure the Alvis Stalwart club web site will know who owned it in England.
Im told it has swum in England and all the gear is there to do so.
It is down in Melbourne and I have to figure out the best way to get it to Nowra.
I understand it is one of only 2 in Aust and the only one with a crane here.
It is a tank resupply limber model........so it followed up behind the tanks ect after a hard day of Killing and resupplied them.
I have not seen it in the flesh yet and I will post pics of its lay out when I get it.
I suppect it will need much work to get it to float as there are a maze of seals and stuff to check out.
My main objective is to ensure its road worthy and to sell my Dual cab defender and haynes Sigiture boat to pay for it......as the bank owns it currently.
I suspect I will just do the Anzac day and airshow thing with it until I get more time and money.
It is really a rich mans toy and I am not rich so it will be a bit hard.
I suspect it will be a good investment as I can only see the value of thing going up in years to come.
Would be interesting driving the thing in the water getting both a above water view and below water view though the windscreen.
Some of the specs are amazing , like 6 wheel disc brakes 1.5 mtr trench crossing etc.
It seem to be every bit equal to a ww11 army Duck.
It is missing something from behind the drivers seat and I supect it could be the radio.
What type of radio did it run and are they hard to find........I would be looking for a dead one as playing radios is not my thing.
regards Ron

101 Ron

9th December 2010, 04:31 PM

Research tells me 3000rpm equals 6 knots and some specs say 9.5 knots is possible.
Water range I dont know .
I think the twin steer front wheels and hydraulically operated chutes over the water jets do the steering.(they turn very well in the water and land)
Wipers are air operated.
Does the same speed forwards or backwards.(on land)
Independant suspension.
Engine is the Standard rolls B series with all the usual supressed and water proof fittings even though it doesnt need it sitting in side the hull.
Twin plate clutch but only 12 inch dia
Some thing like 22 shockasorbers are fitted.
Can still get home with two wheels blown off.
The vehicle is very interesting in its specs.
The diff is self locking and there is only one which causes transmission wind up problems on tarred road. (dropping the front hub reduction gears for long periods on tarred road fixes the problem)
Winch is mounted in its own box under the water line at the front of the hull.
The cabin seats three.

iain reed

9th December 2010, 04:59 PM

how cool is that ron well done you cant wait to see it now you will be the coolest kid on the block .. winter rally ??

101RRS

9th December 2010, 05:18 PM

It is down in Melbourne and I have to figure out the best way to get it to Nowra.

Just ring VicRoads and get a drive permit - can be done over the phone with a credit card and they email it to you - About $50 for a 3-4 day permit and you will not even have to worry about flooded roads.

Lotz-A-Landies

9th December 2010, 05:33 PM

.....
It is down in Melbourne and I have to figure out the best way to get it to Nowra.
....Why don't you motor it up to Nowra - 9.5 knots X 1,100 KM should only take you about 62 hours and that would be with refuelling whilst underway.

Garrycol was in the RAN he should be able to help you with that! :D

Otherwise it's a low-loader, just wait until you have to load your 2.6M onto a 2.7M loader with crab steer happening. Loading the Saladin and Saracen at Kaoooka and Camden Park, had my stomach in my mouth.

2 Bravo where is that Scammel Contractor when we need it?

how cool is that ron well done you cant wait to see it now you will be the coolest kid on the block .. winter rally ??I'm thinking Corowa Swim-in 2011 Year of the British and European Amphibian!

THE BOOGER

9th December 2010, 06:26 PM

If its going then then garys idea might work just pay for the fuel:eek: i recently drove a truck back from vic that way they say the permit is valid in nsw as it is temp rego:) some restrictions like no driving after dark shouldnt be a problem

twodoors

9th December 2010, 06:37 PM

Just ring VicRoads and get a drive permit - can be done over the phone with a credit card and they email it to you - About $50 for a 3-4 day permit and you will not even have to worry about flooded roads.

With speeds like that it will need a 3 day permit just to get it out of Vic!!!!

Mick_Marsh

9th December 2010, 08:46 PM

Astute purchase there Ron.
When will it be leaving AJ's?
If it is there the weekend after next I might get a look at it in real life.

101 Ron

9th December 2010, 09:04 PM

Astute purchase there Ron.
When will it be leaving AJ's?
If it is there the weekend after next I might get a look at it in real life.

If you get to see it PM me and tell me what its like.
I have no pics of the engine and inside the cabin.
I know all is in working order, things like rust I am worried about.
AJ I have asked to do the transport as I feel it would be easier from his end.
I couldnt leave my job to view it before purchase and I felt if I left it too long some one might beat me to the punch.

Mick_Marsh

9th December 2010, 09:22 PM

Sounds like important work.
Might have to get a new digital camera for that one.

Phoenix

9th December 2010, 09:39 PM

I do love the Stolly!! A lot of work to keep them up and running, but what a piece of kit!

peewee

9th December 2010, 09:43 PM

its a mk 11 stalwart hmlc (high mobility load carrier) rolls royce b81 engine. the clutch is fitted with life washers, should be 100 thou on a new clutch, they could be removed 50 thou at a time to extend the life of the clutch. next to the clutch pedal should be a small metal catch which could be swun accross to keep the clutch pedal down. this was to allow the clutch plate to dry out if it got wet without it sticking to the flywheel.the diffs are no spin diffs.DO NOT TRY TO CANGE GEAR GOING AROUND CORNERS. the diffs dont like this and the whole wagon will jump around. the two airpacks under the back decks mean the brake calipers get 6000psi when you brake.we used to brake test them by seeing if 4 wheels came off the ground on heavy braking !! thats a real laugh if your in 5th gear reverse!!!!
be carefull with the crane ,only the reme variant had check valve in the hydraulics to stop the crane creeping under load.
i used to have one off these as a fitter truck and had a fantastic time using it.
have fun

juddy

9th December 2010, 10:15 PM

Re the radio set...
P400-P409 Clansman or 353, if you want one let me know......

101 Ron

10th December 2010, 07:21 AM

Peewee...
If you can think of some other gems it would be very welcomed.
The vehicle will come with the drivers book, but nothing else.
I have been talking to a friend who once owned a Saladin and he has given me a few of his experences...( but the stolly is a bit different again)
I have driven a ferret and know a little bit about the drive train issuses.
Was the hub reductions a big wear or service issue ?
Was sealing between the tracta joints and the hull /hub / brakes a problem ?
Any other driving hints ?
I will need to drive it off a semi trailer when it arrives and have no idea where the forward/revese lever is or any of the other controls other than the parking brake is a continous rachet on affair on the leftside of the driver.
Now that I know the brakes are air over hydraulic , I assume air will need to be built up too.
Thanks in advance.
ron

wagoo

10th December 2010, 11:37 AM

So the military vehicle collector in Wagga didn't take up the option of buying it ? Strange, as apparently he has an example of just about every other military vehicle produced. Anyway glad it's going to someone who will at least let it be seen by the general public.
I believe it is the 90 degree bevel boxe wheel drive units, just inside the hull that suffered from transmission wind up, not the planetary hub reductions. Ron, ask Anthony to give you Richard Watton in the UK contact details. He modified his own Stollie for general road use by making pneumatic disconnects either side of the middle axle ''T Drive'' bevel boxes. Flicking an air switch is a lot faster, less messy and expensive than removing the gears from 4 hubs every time you transition from road to cross country :)
wagoo.

peewee

10th December 2010, 11:06 PM

ron. it`s been a few years since i drove one but as far as i remenber the forward and reverse lever is on the drivers left, gear lever on the right.battery master switch up behind the drivers right ear.choke was on the right side of the dash. the dash also has a button for checking engine oil leval before starting the engine(so you didnt have to lift the engine decks to do it) i think it used the gauge on the bottom left of the dash when the button was pushed , when released the gauge did its normal reading (temp ?) when changing gear you would have to turn the steering wheel when on and off the clutch to keep it in a straight line which is very easy to get used to.
the seals between the hub assy and the hull was a cork band, didnt cause us any trouble but the army had stopped swimming them when i drove mine.
if your driving on a hard surface its best to get rid of any wind up by driving over a high kerb or something similar every 10 or 20 kms .no need to slow down the suspension is awesome, just get the truck to jump a bit. there should be white lines painted on the hub end caps and they should all be lined up.if one is out off line it indicates a breakage in the drive to that wheel. also on the drive train the tyres should all have the same circumference to within two inches to help minimise wind up.
i will have a dig around and see if i have my book from when i did my trade training on the stolly.

wagoo

11th December 2010, 07:35 AM

It would be interesting to see if a cop would allow a civilian to get away with jumping a curb every now and again. Especialy on the wrong side of the road when trying to releive windup stress between the right hand side bevel boxes. Built in hydraulic jacks to quickly lift the wheels clear of the road like on some of the 1940s Woleslys could be the go. Or attach hydraulically operated levers to the suspension torsion bars to individually lift each wheel off the ground to let it unwind.With a high speed pump and a bit of practice you could make this 8 ton monster do a 6 wheel tap dance:).
I think I'll stop now and find my medication.
Wagoo.

juddy

11th December 2010, 08:58 AM

Re radios, Clansman was used but only the last few years of the Stolls being used.

Radio Installation in B Vehicles - is for the VRC-353 set in a Mk 2 Stalwart

Abd this may be helpful to you too.....

stalwart entered service in the late 60's early 70's and was released post 90...it had both radio sets...

driving the stalwart on the road..., never drive more than 20-30 miles in one go...always stop check and have a look, then proceed if you have to......always wear ear defenders or have the intercom headphones on, you will be deaf within a 100 miles.

Fit a rear view camera and screen. Dont have it in your normal line of vision, too easy to keep looking at it...

Tyre pressures are most important, wheel circumference pointless...unless you have very unevenly worn tyres its a pointless exercise..

You can go many many miles in them but after 500 miles she will need a good check over, 1000 miles and you need to be thinking about oil changes, 3000 miles and you are into a full service...so be aware that they are a lot of work...better to haul them to where you want to play then haul them home...

always check oils prior to run, no matter how many times you have done it before, and essential at every 20-30 mile stop....

Always make sure she is coming up to air BEFORE driving off...if the brakes go hard stop as soon as you can, like immediately...usually more effort to go than stop in a stolly.

Mirrors are a good point, get the best you can and keep them clean.

If you intend to run her on the road a lot then fit a yellow beacon front and rear. fit extra side lights and rear lights...even if they are temporary ones...fit a mechanical brake light switch.

Making sure you always have spare belts is a good idea,

always take a spare wheel and tyre with you unless you have breakdown cover, they do not run on a flat tyre.

Get breakdown cover...

If I was running on the road a lot I would fit new driving lamps and a better interior light. No matter what people say do go off road regularly during a drive as it will unwind the shafts if only for a short time...

wind the torsion bars down so that she sits lower on her suspension units, this levels out the tracta joints and reduces wear and the risk of failure...

make sure your governor works and that you never drive her above 40 mph,

Always carry a fire extinguisher and some water to put out fires...coke a cola will do the job if its only a small fire...

Get two very large tool boxes, fill it with all manner of odd shaped spanners and tools, carry a plentiful supply of rags and make sure you fill the area where you are working with rags before you start to work or you will lose all your nuts washers and springs under the bed of the engine never to be seen again...remember to take them out before starting the engine again.

Final word of warning, jerk loads are the biggest stress on a stalwarts drive system, be very very careful about towing, or pulling with a stalwart, never jerk the transmission, always use smooth steady pulls.

101RRS

11th December 2010, 09:18 AM

THE BOOGER

11th December 2010, 11:06 AM

and dont ever get it wet or feed it after midnight:eek::angel:

Lotz-A-Landies

11th December 2010, 12:25 PM

Ron

I may be willing to part with a C42 Larkspur which was one of the VHF predecessors to the 353 Clansman, if you do want a radio set.

Diana

wagoo

11th December 2010, 01:50 PM

Ron, Ron, Ron oh Ron - what have you done :eek:

Indeed:(
Another thing to be very concerned about is that Alvis and the Rover co got married in the 1960's, so LandRover engineers and accountants were probably involved in any design downgrades:mad:
I've seen video footage of Stollies in British heavy offroad vehicle trials, and whilst they glide over rough terrain and sound gorgeous,it would appear that their tractive effort and climbing ability is nothing to write home about.
I suppose weighing as much as they do, with a relatively small engine,5spd
gearbox,no low range and geared to do 40mph, road verses crosscountry performance ends up being a bit of a compromise.
Wagoo.

peewee

11th December 2010, 05:38 PM

one other thing ive just remembered.the cooling air flow goes in through the grills on the top rear of the cab, through the hull and after passing through the rediators at the rear comes out through the compartment at the rear of the cargo bay next to the exhaust. do not carry anything in this compartment especially anything flammable !!!

101 Ron

11th December 2010, 08:19 PM

Thanks fellas.
I was not blind and know what I was getting in to.
I know a little about the Saracens with some ex army ones are still around and driven.
I am a experienced motor mech and was Ares in RAEME for seven years.
I do have a extensive range of whitworth spanners and years of playing with pommie bikes etc.
I have driven my old studebaker at 40mph over long distances as the old hercules donks never liked revs and know the old first parade, holt parade and last parade routine and pratice it on old army trucks to day.
I will not be rushing into a radio just yet as my aims will be getting to know the vehicle and fixing any problems found.
I purchased the vehicle because I always wanted some thing than can swim and some thing rare in this country should hold its value while I have some fun with it.
In fact I laught at the earier posts about driving it from Victoria.
I will see how things go and if it doesnt work out ,just sell it.
I will be dropping the front hub reduction gears , for longer trips and it should solve much of wind up problems.
I am waiting for my new internet service to be up and running in the new year before I join the Stalwart club on line.
I am told that high speed gears are advailible for the machine.
The former Saladen owner told me he would just let the vehicle go to the edge of the road every now and then to ease any transmission problems.
He told me he would easily get over 60 kph and it would go to just over 70 kph, but i dont know if the gearing between the two vehicles is the same.
The 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder B series Rolls Royce motors ( champ and Humber) I have had something to do with had a centrifical over rev govenor on the rotor button as a engine over rev back up.( similar to 24 volt 101 Landrovers)
The vehicle has done 2600 miles.
The things I am worried about is any big costs in repairs as I am short on time and now money to fix them.
Unless I can find super cheap transport to and from Albury Corowa will be out.
Vehicle pacific servicing , driving and breakdown prevention information is what I need to seek.
I suspect I will repair and break in another vehicle over time.......I have done it before, just not with a complex vehicle.
Just for the record too I was at the very first Corowa swim in many years ago as a teenager and been in and seen enough amphibious vehicles to know that swimming them before and after is a lot of work and is something which most people dont realise who only just take pics of them or ride them.
My father owned a WW11 Dukw and that vehicle was complex too with a maze of tail shafts running the lenght of the vehicle and its hull was thin and rust prone.
The stolly will never see salt water in my ownership and I hope I will get my kicks enough just using it locally.
I am just the owner untill the next person can play with it.
Ron

THE BOOGER

11th December 2010, 08:34 PM

I bet you have as much fun working on it as driving it morton NP hasnt seen any armour since the 80s there should still be a few tracks you can use in on:p

juddy

11th December 2010, 09:40 PM

wagoo

11th December 2010, 10:28 PM

Don't the Saladins have smaller 12.00x20 vs Stollies14.00x20 tyres ?
Pre select trans with fluid flywheel vs Stollies manual 5 spd ?
Wagoo.

peewee

11th December 2010, 10:52 PM

ron, you are right about the rotor button having a governor on it but the engine also has a mechanical governor which comes in before the rotor button does.

fraser130

12th December 2010, 02:55 PM

I'm not sure it's cross country abillity is that compromised:

YouTube - alvis stalwart (stolly) @ KORC going up - almost ! 12/04/09

And this - well, what can I say:

YouTube - Alvis Stalwart

:D
I'm green with envy Ron!

Fraser

isuzurover

12th December 2010, 04:13 PM

I'm not sure it's cross country abillity is that compromised:

And this - well, what can I say:

:D
I'm green with envy Ron!

Fraser

I don't know... it didn't make it up the hill and it looks like it lifts the middle axle at the base. I think Bill's (wagoo) 6x6 IIA would probably have made it up there (if only due to lower weight).

But it does sound good...

And that 2nd vid was extremely cool.

Ron, anywhere near your place where you can replicate that :D

101RRS

12th December 2010, 05:20 PM

In the first one - with a bit of a better run up ie faster it would have got up - oh - you say it was already at top speed - bummer:D

wagoo

12th December 2010, 08:49 PM

The gradient really isn't that steep, but the video on my screen is so dark that I can't tell if it lost traction or stalled out on the incline.
Not wanting to be too critical of the Stollie, and most independently suspended multi wheeled crosscountry vehicles Pinzgauers included suffer the same deficiency of inadequate interaxle articulation.
Example. Imagine that hill was a sand dune, even a less steep one. With the Stollie on level ground the weight is more or less equally distributed over 6 wheels. Now as the front wheels start to climb the gradient the middle wheels lift off the ground, so that the weight is now concentrated only 4 wheels, but due to weight transfer on gradients the rear wheels are carrying more weight than the fronts so they dig down, which may bring proceedings to a halt.
At the top of the hill, the lack of articulation would see the Stollies front wheels lift off when the middle wheels reach the crest. The rear wheels would unload as well thereby concentrating almost all the vehicles weight on the two middle wheels which would bury themselves in the soft surface.
I'm sure some of the 101 owners would have seen this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay'docid=2431106815226648783# of the home built UK 6x6 101 camper making repeated unsuccessful attempts to climb a fairly shallow sand dune. The video clearly illustrates the issues I've just explained.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

13th December 2010, 06:57 AM

I find out how it goes off road when it get it.
Yes there are draw backs to the design and time will tell how bad they are..
You must remember all amphibious vehicles are compromises.
A LARC which is greatly over widht , does 60 kph top speed and has no springs.... is a boat with wheels and works like one on land , but is a better machine in the water.
A DUKW is fairly good on the road, but has low free board etc and is a truck chassis with a boat around it. (does 80 kph)
The stolly is is somewhere between the two.
I wonder how a DUKW with its large overhangs, 30 ft lenght would go up that mound of dirt.
I supect it would in fact go straight up only to belly in middle ,at the top.
To get better off road performance you would need to get a vehicle with another axle or tracks.
This will be a learning curve for me,and i think the stolly will be weak in some areas and very strong in others.
I suspect trying to keep up with one going over broken ground even with a modern vehicle would be very ,very hard.
I have access to a family property in the bush as a play area near by and it has plenty of steep hills to try things out on.
Super steep decents and climbs I suspect will not be the stollys thing.
Access to a large amount of fresh water near by is a problem.
Yes the old army range in Morton PK is close too.

wagoo

13th December 2010, 08:51 AM

I certainly agree that not too many vehicles could keep up with a Stollie over rough broken terrain. Does anyone remember an old television advertisment for Rank Arena TVs I think,Where to demonstrate the durabilty of their TVs they bolted one to the front of a Saladin or Saracen and drove flat out through the Tank proving ground at Puckapunyal? It was very impressive.
Wagoo.

Lotz-A-Landies

13th December 2010, 10:16 AM

101 Ron

13th December 2010, 03:36 PM

With the amount of rain lately and the fact that Sydney isn't pumping from Tallowa for the last year. The salt water should have been pushed back below Burrier. You could try the Shoalhaven near Yalwal creek without much problem?

I was thinking Burrier and asking for access thought the quarry or go though Coolendel.
I am learning lots of things about freighting vehicles.
AJ can line up someone with a lowloader for $2800.....:eek::eek:
or some else who is not really interested for $2000.
I tried all the local transport companys today.
The local tilt tray bloke with all the correct permits for wide/overheight loads the go down empty and bring back...$2000.
The best has been if I wait a little while for a drop deck which would otherwise return to Nowra empty .....$600 which is much better.
The vehicle measures
3.3mtrs high which means a drop deck or low loader(3.1 mtrs is the limit)........or tilt tray with special over height permit.( altas crane fitted to Stolly)
Width 2.6 mtrs with means its over width .......over width loads can not be carried with other loads on the same vehicle, so I can not save money by sharing half load on a trailer or truck.
Lenght 6.4 mtrs which is good.
weight 10 tonnes.
The games are just starting with this thing.
I can only hope the $600 option comes good.
I allowed a $1000 to transport.....crossing my fingers.
Another interesting thing I learnt is the truck checking stations on the Hume have beams and sensors to detect over height and width loads as you drive in.

Lotz-A-Landies

13th December 2010, 04:17 PM

Lucus

13th December 2010, 04:43 PM

Correct me if in wrong but is that not the stig (or his norwegian cousin) at the wheel in the second vid??:o:D

fraser130

13th December 2010, 05:56 PM

wagoo

13th December 2010, 06:47 PM

Did you look into permits to actually drive it?
(after dropping the shafts to 4 of the wheels or something similar)
My brother and I drove a 1947 AEC double decker bus from newcastle to Melb over 3 weekends (max speed was 48Km/h!!!)
I have a heavy rigid licence and would love to help.....

Fraser

I'll volunteer to be your co driver. But first we'll put it through it paces on my cross country course before we test its swimming capabilities over at Eildon :). Actually at 1 or 2 mpg (might improve with 4 hubs freewheeling) it would probably cost as much to drive it up there than to freight it.Not to mention the wear and tear.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

13th December 2010, 07:06 PM

BYO............jerrycans???????

101RRS

13th December 2010, 07:12 PM

What about rail or ship to Sydney then rail to Nowra? Suppose that would be expensive.

101 Ron

14th December 2010, 06:51 AM

I don't believe that outriggers are still legal on trailers and I wouldn't want to be putting the tyres off the edge of the trailer lest the Stolly keeps going off the side.

In which case I'm thinking that your only option will be a low loader which can be 2.7M or self widening decks.

The wheel track is 2 mtrs which means a normal truck with permits can do the job..
Most normal truck owners dont have the permits as they rarely move excatvators or site offices ect.

wagoo

14th December 2010, 03:56 PM

BYO............jerrycans???????

It would take one jerry can full just to start it and build up air pressure before it can be driven:(
Price of petrol today in Melbourne is around $5.90 a gallon, so at 2mpg that's $29.50 to cover 10 miles, $295 for 100miles=160km.How far from Melboune is Nowra again?
Wagoo.

Lotz-A-Landies

14th December 2010, 04:00 PM

It would take one jerry can full just to start it and build up air pressure before it can be driven:(
Price of petrol today in ....:eek: Sounds like I'd be fitting a self sealing pressure hose valve to the air tank and using a portable compressor or Ron's 101 to bring up the air before I started the Stolly.

wagoo

14th December 2010, 06:56 PM

:eek: Sounds like I'd be fitting a self sealing pressure hose valve to the air tank and using a portable compressor or Ron's 101 to bring up the air before I started the Stolly.

I probably exaggerated the bit about a full jerry to start it. It is only a 6litre engine after all.
Maybe a conversion to run a wood gas producer would make running costs a little more manageable:) Might visit AJ to give the Stollie one last fondle before she heads north.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

20th December 2010, 03:32 PM

The stolly is on its way as I type.
I should see it tomorrow afternoon.
AJ ended up organising the transport and helped me in taking some of the cost.
If I have time I will take some pics.
In the back of it ,should be some widen 101 wheels too.
The drivers book and two drain bungs should be in the cab..........is the drain bungs not so much in keeping the water out of the hull or is it letting the oil out...might be a close call that one.:p:p
I am running out of time and will not be able to play with it until well in the new year after all the Xmas and family stuff is out of the way.

iain reed

20th December 2010, 03:38 PM

what a fantastic xmas present.... i hope it brings you lots of fun .. merry christmas to you and your family :):):):)

101 Ron

20th December 2010, 03:45 PM

I also got something in writing from the RTA about the overwidth permit.
The RTA have been very good to deal with so far which supprized me after hearing so many stories about them.
The restrictions look like they will be the normal club plates ones of club runs etc.
Not to exceed 72 kph.........most likely not a issuse.
Width not to exceed 2.620 mtr.

I suspect no towed loads will be added as they asked about it.

I will add one one for my self in the fact I will not drive it without a co driver/observer

101RRS

20th December 2010, 05:55 PM

In the back of it ,should be some widen 101 wheels too.

Please explain - where from? How many? What size - can this be repeated????

Lotz-A-Landies

20th December 2010, 06:00 PM

I also got something in writing from the RTA about the overwidth permit.
The RTA have been very good to deal with so far which supprized me after hearing so many stories about them...
<snip>
...I will add one one for my self in the fact I will not drive it without a co driver/observerWould that make them a crew commander and you merely a driver? :)

You know if the intercom goes down, they have to kick you on the right shoulder to turn right, left shoulder to turn left and in the back of the head to stop! :D

I like the Nowra RTA, very much nicer to deal with than many of the metro offices.

BTW: I can see a Clansman intercom system heading down to Nowra!

101RRS

20th December 2010, 06:47 PM

Ron,

So is this going the replace the other toys in the car port or stay out at mothers place - is she going to get envious?

By the way how is it coming up - by truck or ship.

Garry

Mick_Marsh

20th December 2010, 08:13 PM

I had a look at the Stolly on the weekend. It looked in fairly good condition. Didn't get a close look as I was too busy chatting.
Garry, AJ has widened rims on his 101. Give him a call.
I've been invited to a friends place for a visit in Yass sometime next year. Might be able to transport them for you.

101 Ron

21st December 2010, 09:37 PM

It arrived.
All I can say the british army drivers conversion course to this vehicle would have been interesting.
Mechanically the vehicle doenst seem to bad, but there is alot of wiring work and freeing up of controls ect to be done
Just to service this thing correctly will take about 6 months of my spare time.
The bad stuff is rust which AJ didnt tell me about in the top sides of the hull, one hole is big enough to place my hand though.
Luckly it is a straight forword repair.
I knew about rust in the Left hand hatch and rear engine cover.
This rust doesnt appear to be from amphibious use but from long periods of being stored out in the weather, as is the rust in the top of the hull.
The inside of the hull is rust free expect where rain/snow water has sat just under the floor plates where the hull is thinest.
About 8 of the 12 rubber gatters for the tracta joints need replacing and that may be a big job..........I dont know.
The air compressor will not shut off and the air guage is not showing any pressure, but the brakes seem to work, so I expect one braking system to not be working.
I didnt get time to check lights, horns and stuff.
The vehicle is fitted with a fire extiguishing system....two infact and warning alarms ect.
Every thing is hydraulically controlled with its own separate hydraulic oil reservoir......choke, throttle,steering/winch, crane,dual braking system and so on.
The thing which supprized me most was the size of thing.....it is very big.
Diana is right about the low loader only just being wide enough to take the stollys wheel track without falling off.
It is a brillant vehicle and the engineering just shows though.
Some other interesting things are the 2 water steering/reversing levers on the left side of the cabin,the food cooking system and water boiling system appears to be missing,fire extinguishers fitted though the vehicle, dry sump lubrication of the rolls in the rear.
The lower part of the hull is thick.........may be a throw back to the Alvis armoured vehicles of similar design.
The drop down sides and the way it works is very good.
The fluids of alot of components are topped up or checked from the out side of the vehicle.
The whole thing needs paint.
It will take me I think 2 weeks crawling over this thing to try and get to know it enough to get a idea of how it all works in detail.
Getting it ready of rego will be a big enough under taking and will take months of my spare time.
the vehicle is in the most part complete and working.
Getting it ready to swim is another story........but will happen.
the suspension is something out of this world..........just drives over gutters like if they are not there !
Pics will come when I find time.
It is a big project, but i think the vehicle and its design is worth it.

101 Ron

21st December 2010, 09:45 PM

AJ is doing wide 101 wheels using the original centres.
I have purchased 5 spare wheels from him and he had the centres welded into 8 inch rims with the offset so the extra width is towards the outside of the vehicle.
I wanted to buy 101 wheels and ended up with a stolly too.

101 Ron

21st December 2010, 09:56 PM

The crane is in perfect working order and appears to be a good piece of kit.
The tool locker which is up high and in the weather needs work as does some of the hull below the exhaust muffler.
If you guys want to hear more or of my progress on thing or want it moved to another site/forum..........say your piece ....ron

Mick_Marsh

21st December 2010, 10:09 PM

Congrats on the arrival Ron.
I would have expected you to have a grin that could be seen on Google Earth when it arrived.

Lotz-A-Landies

21st December 2010, 11:01 PM

...
If you guys want to hear more or of my progress on thing or want it moved to another site/forum..........say your piece ....ronRon

I'm happy with it where it is, yes it's not Land Rover, but Alvis was in the Rover Group at the time the Stalwart was in production. (and I'm the mod in this place!) ;)

Diana

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 12:51 PM

some pics for everyone
this is the cabin looking to leftside showing the 2 water jet steering sticks
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/564.jpg
Hight to the floor of the tray is 5ft 2in and it is a good climb into the cabin
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/565.jpg
Steering and suspension is just like the other Alvis 6x6 vehicles.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/566.jpg
Some of the rubber boots covering the tracta joints need replacing.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/567.jpg

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 01:26 PM

From left to right.
PTO on top of gearbox running twin drive shafts to bevel boxes for water jets.
PTO also runs hydraulic pump for winch and crane.
Tube running top to bottom is reservior for oil system for drive bevel boxes and all tracta joints.
Right hand brake pac is in lower right.
Right hand tank in centre is the air charge tank.
Under charge tank is engine dry sump tank.
Extreme right centre is the edge of the 455 litre petrol tank.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/563.jpg

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 01:47 PM

RHS top of cab showing crane controls worked by standing in RHS entry hatch. Air intake grill has engine oil filler, hydraulic oil filler, extingisher system bottles.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/559.jpg
Various oil reservior bottles etc RHS of driver...choke ,steering and clutch,accellerator, windscreen washer.( note rust around windscreens)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/560.jpg
Engine layout showing cooling fans, jet drives either side of motor
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/561.jpg
Jet outlet showing moveable shute that allows steering and reverse thrust.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/562.jpg

SuperchargedSport

24th December 2010, 01:50 PM

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 02:03 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/556.jpg
The crane out to one side....it can reach another 3ft out by manually extending the end of the jib.(can lift 2 tonnes in position shown)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/557.jpg

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 02:24 PM

I've been in everything from, air craft carriers, too submarines, too tanks, too personal carriers, 101's, pinzgauer etc etc.... but i havent been in one of those... THATS FANTASTIC.... thank you very much for the photos....:D:D:D:D

It makes my pair of little haflingers look small though... haha... i think ud fit both in the back

A good mate of mine has a Haffy and this thing will see a Haffy in the back just for laughs....
The load area may be just wide enough to take two side by side.
A war time jeep will fit.
My 101 landy may just miss out by being slightly too long....the crane wastes the front part of the load area.
learning abit more about the thing now....it is set up as a gun limber and has four folding seats near the crane for gunners and originally a small cover for them.
the load area can easily take two aust standard pallets with room to spare.
The load area is wide ,but not that long, but can be extended by removing the internal divider board at the extreme rear, but to make use of this area the goods must be able to take the hot blast from the radiators.

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 02:49 PM

More engine detail
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/555.jpg

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 03:19 PM

Left hand side rear of cabin.
Plenty of room in cabin, with a passenger sitting either side of the driver.
the passenger seat back rest has a checker plate surface to stand on when folded so you can stand though the hatch.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/554.jpg
note seat belt and gun clips.

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 03:37 PM

The thing is a maze of controls and indicators.
just on the floor alone near the drivers seat it goes something like this.
RHS floor....water jet drive lever pto,hydraulic pump PTO...moving forward on RHS...steering wheels position indicator (so you know which way the wheels are pointing in the water)....winch cabledrum indicator(so you know how much cable is left on the winch drum)
Behind drivers seat bilge hand pump.
Fire wall behind drivers seat....fuel tap and heater tap
LHS floor near drivers seat....winch in and out control.........winch free wheel clutch............winch compartment drain tap.
On it goes just so much stuff you must learn.

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 03:48 PM

The gearbox appears to be a Alvis special and has syncro on 2 to 5.
the gearbox , forword/reverse box and transfercase are not that large due to the presence of the hub reductions.
this shows some detail of the on top of gearbox PTO and air charge tank.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/553.jpg

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 04:20 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/552.jpg

101 Ron

24th December 2010, 05:54 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/12/548.jpg

101 Ron

4th January 2011, 05:16 PM

Wow what a bit of kit.
I took the thing for a bit of a drive today as much as I could in the private road and car park at work.
I managed to get the air system up and working so I now have full brakes, horn and wipers.
That success demanded the thing should be driven.
The area is all concrete and the only challange I could find was a median strip which the stolly takes flat out and it is dispointing as there is just nothing and I do mean nothing felt in the vehicle,,,,it doesnt even dip or pitch.
The suspension in this thing with the big 1400 tyres makes the vehicle.
I learnt if you are on full lock on concrete doing a 180 and change gear and plant the foot the no spin diff locks and the steering wheel wants to spin out of your hands and it gives a jump.
I found I was getting only 1/3 throttle as the hydraulic accelerator must have a air lock.
While I was hard pressed to stretch its legs with the throttle the way it is in 5 th gear the vehicle gives me the impression it will be happy at 60 kph.
First gear seems low enough for the slow off road work and 2nd for normal starting and off road stuff..........a bit like the set up on a humber or champ miltiary vehicles.
Back to the grind stone to find some throttle !
Check these out.
the 3 vids are of prototypes or early mark one stalwarts ON 6 WHEELS ANYWHERE - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=42953)

TRUCK FOR LAND AND SEA - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=42625)
ALVIS STALWART AMPHIBIAN - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=62751)

101 Ron

8th January 2011, 08:10 PM

Just somemore useless information.
I had time to day to measure up the cargo bay on the stolly.
On a standard stolly without crane it measures 12ft long and just under 8ft wide.
This lenght can be extended by 2ft if the load is under 7ft wide and can take hot radiator blast.
The rear tail gate is 7 ft wide.
A standard 101 landrover can be carried by a stolly on land or water.(101 is 12ft long)
The crane model loses just over 20 inches in the middle front of the cargo space due to the up right of the crane.
It would just be possible to carry a 101 landy in a crane Stolly as the radiator blast under the 101s rear wouldnt worry it too much.
My 101 will not fit as it is fitted with bull bar and rear jerry can holders.
It would fit with the rear tailgate in the half openned position...ie no swimming.
I also measured up the cargo area of the 6x6 1945 studebaker i have and its cargo area is 7ft x 12 ft.
I know I can carry my 101 inch wheel base CJ6 jeep in the back of the studebaker with a slight over hang.
I conclude any jeep or short wheel base landrover can be carried in the back of a Stolly and swum around the place with room to spare.
It is of note the crane can lift any of these vehicles or on non crane models the vehicle can be driven on though the rear tail gate provided they are under 7ft wide.
The cargo area on the studebaker should be exactly the same as a WW2 DUKW.
The DUKW(duck) was rated for 2.5 tons in water and land .
It has a very slightly smaller load area and no drop down tail gate or sides for ease of loading.
The stolly carries 3tons on water and and 4 tons on land(crane model), but the duck is a better sea boat in the fact it has extra lenght and is a drier boat all round.( the Stolly has slightly more free board unloaded, but less loaded)
The duck weights about 8 tons.
The crane stolly weights about 11 tons
The normal stolly is 9 tons
The duck has about 100 HP with the govenor removed for its weight.
The stolly has about 230 HP with govenor on and little chance of getting anymore without blowing the motor.
The ducks land speed is 50 mph and 8 knots in water.
The stollys land speed is 40mph and 6 knots in water.
The Stolly has much better off road performance than the duck except for very soft mud or sand.
The duck is 30 ft long with large over hangs and is the reason for its better water speed.
The stolly is about 20ft long with a deeper daught and with its twin steerable water jets can turn in its own lenght very well in water.
Low gear low range on the duck is 110 to 1
Low gear on the stolly is 103 to 1 turning bigger tyres.
The stolly was a english replacement for the WW2 duck, give or take abit,
They for a short time served side by side in the english forces.
My progress today was to get the interior light and amber safetly rotary light working working.
I know the winch gearbox has no oil in it and it will be interesting to see what it is like when I dig my way down to that compartment of the hull.
I managed to get high and low beam working....the dipper switch and alot of other stuff is just frozen up though being stored for a very long period of time in the weather.
The main mechanical stuff like motor ,gearbox , steering is in really good nick.
Storing the thing out side with the hatches closed means the condensation builds up inside over time with no escape.
I will need to drop off the wheel stations in time to replace the rubber gators over the tracta joints and stop any oil leaks there to stop the rubber rotting.
It is a straight forward job , but heavy.
The vehicle can be used and if fact swum as is, the gatters reduce the risk of water getting where it shouldnt.
I am learning al sorts of things like the difference between a tracta joint and a CV joint.
The two air operated side wipers are now working.....historic plates here I come .

Mick_Marsh

8th January 2011, 08:25 PM

So, will we see it at Corowa?

101 Ron

8th January 2011, 08:28 PM

Two more vids to checkout.
A Stolly can pull.......
YouTube - alvis stalwart (stolly) pulling a 55 ton chieftain tank
A stolly can climb, but that short wheel base makes it a hand full.
It is interesting to note that low gear is reached by going across the box and can be hard to catch it quickly if needed if in a hurry.
The gear shift pattern is completely odd and reversed to normal vehicles.
Note this Stolly is converted to a Cummings diesel motor.
YouTube - alvis stalwart (stolly) @ KORC going up 12/04/09

101 Ron

8th January 2011, 09:08 PM

So, will we see it at Corowa?

I think it would cost about 1 k each way from Nowra to transport it.(minimum cost and with wide load and over height problems and can only be transported by itself on a trailer or truck during daylight hours in NSW )
In its current condition and the fact it would have to prove its self on shorter trips before I would even think of driving it there.
Not this year....even though I would very much like to.
getting time off work is a problem too.
It is interesting what the english restorers who rallie these things actively say about driving them on the road.
The drive set up on hard surfaces is not a problem and hundreds of miles a year can be covered.
Stollys break tracta joints and bevel boxes cause they are the only vehicles in the Alvis 6x6 family to............
Carry loads off road with drive often concentrated on one pair of wheels.
Carry 5 tons, or pull 10 tons.
The only Alvis 6x6 to have a normal clutch witch can be dropped by the operator(the others have fluid coupling and preselector box)
Have its hubs, tracta joints and bevel boxes subject to water.
Only Alvis 6x6 to run larger 1400x20 tyres.
The stolly has a locking diff the other 6x6 alvis do not .( It works on hard surfaces if you plant your foot the wrong way during a hard corner)
Have civie owners who may or may not up keep the drive system and hull water proof fittings..( the vehicle will still operate with water in the bevel boxes and tracta joints for a while)
The hub/ tracta/bevel lube system on latter Stolly models is very good and is different to the Saracen and Saladin vehicles and because of this I can see some owners letting the set up run dry by not fixing oil leaks and just rely on the lube tank to top everything up.( I found this system very low on oil in my stolly because of one oil leak)
The tracta joint angle on a unloaded Stolly is 45 degrees as the suspension was designed to drop with load so they run straight.(the other alvis 6x6 vehicles ran mostly constant loads)
At a 45 degree angle the tracta joints wear.
This can be fixed by lowering the torsion bars so the Tracta joints run straight in a unloaded condition as they usually do as a restored vehicle and they have plently of ground clearence to do this.
To run the vehicle off the sides of the road to unwind the drive I can see doing no good as any slight difference in tyres or cornering will wind it up straight away again.
After playing with my Stolly on a hard concrete surface and going full lock backwards and forwards to get the thing in the shed the drive set up the vehicle appears not to be too much worried about wind up.
The stalwart is much bigger in the flesh than a Sarasen / saladin etc than it looks in the pics because the bigger tyres hide the size compared to the other Alvis 6x6 vehicles and that is why it is abit harder to transport.

wagoo

9th January 2011, 12:27 PM

A Stollie is what it is,It's been out of production for well over 20 years, hasn't really been replaced with anything similar, and I suppose should be appreciated for its unique combination of all round capabilities. But it would be interesting to speculate how much better it could have been with a bit of redesign such as a more powerful deisel engine, 2spd t/case,proper lockable differential,slightly longer wheelbase etc. I was a bit surprised that the gear ratio of 103:1 was so tall for what is a heavy, large tyred vehicle powered by a relatively small engine.
I did some rough calculations to estimate tractive effort(drawbar pull) comparing it to a 101 LandRover to get some perspective of the Stollies pulling power.This does not account for frictional losses which would be much greater in the Stollie due to more complex transmission. The Stollies 14.00x20 tyres are guessed to be 48'' dia, the 101s 9.00x16'' at 35'' dia.

Stollie 101Engine torque=280lbft
101Engine torque=210lbft
Stollie Gear ratio=103:1
101 Gear ratio=75:1
Stollie Tyre radius=24''
101 Tyre radius=17.5''
StollieTractive effort=14420lbs
101 Tractive effort=10880lbs

A standard 101 weighs around 4400lbs unladen. tractive effort exceeds weight by a factor of over 2.44.

A standard Stollie weighs around 20160lbs unladen. This weight exceeds the tractive effort by a factor of over 1.4
I could be wrong, but from experience I can forsee quite a few cross country situations where the stollies tractive effort would be insufficient to keep the wheels turning.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

9th January 2011, 05:22 PM

Wagoo you would be right mostly.
The last Stolly came off the production line in 1971 and the 1st mk1 in 1962 with prototypes from 1958.....so they are 40 years or older.
Gearing seems to be a weak point, but they have done the best they could with the 5 speeds.
Diesel conversions are a real problem with the stolly because of the transmission.
No 300 hp diesels wants to rev to 3750 rpm for long periods of time.
The transmission is just so special and low profile nothing else can fit or do the job because of the top mounted Pto drives.
Two factory Perkins Pacer diesels were made with the idea of converting the fleet.
The Pacer diesel could rev hard enough ?
Finding any sort of motor to replace the very flat dry sump Rolls is a problem too.
The best set up would be a longer Alloy hull with extra wheel set and drive disconnects between wheel sets, two speed transfercase, 5 speed main box and 350 hp diesel........one can only dream.
As I understand the thing ,it is all straight forward to work on.
The body design and most features are very good and modern for its age.
What takes time working on the thing is the need to climb up and down to get a spanner or go from cabin and climb over the back to the engine bay to see if some thing is working.
I know the biggest problem using a gearbox with a low gear and not a low range set of gears is the lack of flexability of using the advailible engine power to keep the vehicle moving.( like the champ and Humber 1 ton )
The Studebaker tipper we used at the family farm I remmber got loaded with 10 tons and it ran out of poke with 87hp and 110 to one in low/low going up a moderate hill so I know where your coming from .

101 Ron

9th January 2011, 05:53 PM

Another thing which I have just only learnt is the Rolls B81 is a F head motor and that design limits power and conpression ratios, but does breaths well.
A hemi overhead valve design would have been much better.
The B81 is 6.5 litre of 220 to 250 HP.
The Saracen and Saladin used a smaller bore 5.6 litre motor but other wise the same. ........B80 motor

wagoo

9th January 2011, 08:09 PM

Interesting Ron that you mention the Humber. That was another vehicle that I once had an ambition to own.Love the cab styling and the smooth ride, but from a cross country perspective the low gear ratio of around 39;1 from memory seemed a little inadequate and reminisent of my old Dodge Weapons
Carrier which really wasn't up for much until I fitted it with a 2spd t/case.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

19th January 2011, 05:25 PM

101 Ron

19th January 2011, 05:31 PM

Production figures are something like this.
MK1 from 1962 to1966 135 units.
MK2 from 1966 to 1971..........348 standard version..............FV622
269 limber version with crane FV263
60 Reme version with crane FV624

Mick_Marsh

19th January 2011, 08:14 PM

There is an Alvis Saracen for sale in the latest Unique Cars magazine.

isuzurover

20th January 2011, 10:53 AM

I have been learning things.
A swimming MK1 Stolly may be at Corowa this year which should make people happy.
This Stolly also has the standard motor and a top speed of 100 kph and drive disconnects too.
I am now looking very hard how to get time off work to check it out when it is down there.
There is another one like mine kicking around Brisbane too.
AT present my Stolly seems to be No 3 in the country.
Ron

You might be surprised how many are lurking in farm sheds...

There are at least 2-3 in NZ:

MK2 Stalwart on E-bay. Pricey $25000 for a non swimmer, but are few and far between in this hemisphere.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ex-Military-S...item4150e07fc2

"Alvis stalwart MK2 . Ex British army. 6x6 / four wheel steer. Awesome off road ability. Originally amphibious and with some work could be made a swimmer again (the Army removed driveshafts to the Dowdy jets and steering rods).

Good runner and driver. Not museum piece, I drive it!

See youtube.com and type in Stalwart to see one in action.

Dimensions

2.62m wide/ 2.4m high/ 8500kg unladen /5000kg payload. Rolls Royce sraight 8 petrol ,easily converted to LPG.

10,000kg Hydraulic winch ,needs cable and linkage freeing up

User handbook and service manual.

Truck is in Nelson NZ. I can organise shipping. "

Never heard of a B Series being put on gas, so not sure if it is an "easy" or suitable conversion. There was some confusion if they could run on Unleaded let alone LPG.
My vote for best looking Military Vehicle ever.
Rich.
Stolly for Sale NZ - MLU FORUM (http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthread.php't=15018)

belongs to a customer. he has two of them! Just been imported into the country from the UK.

http://www.fordaustraliaforums.com/forum/showthread.php?29471-Alvis-Stalwart

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 06:04 PM

I have been checking out the Alvis Stalwart groups forum and from best advailible info there are three operational stollys in Aust.
I think one of these owners may be sitting on or know of the remains of some stollys used on the Gold coasts broad water for tourist operations about 10 to 8 years ago.
For salt water tourist amphibious buses the stolly would send you broke with maintaince.

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 06:38 PM

The B81 Rolls appears to have a few problems running on petrol like a Carby that will frost up jets in cold weather and being a striaght 8 the manifold design tends to drop the petrol vapour on the floor of the manifold.
Sparkplug fouling is another one .
LPG solves these problems and the B81 likes LPG.
The CR is only 6.5 or 7.25 depending on exact model and it will run on in different fuels if required.
Natural gas versions of this motor were made.
The biggest problem is where do you place gas bottles without chopping up the vehicle.
According to one owner the top speed with standard gearing is 73 kph at 3750 rpm.
60kph should be advailable at 3000 rpm ( I hope which is good enough for me)
It appears rigging up dog clutches on the drive shalfs is done using a existing splined collier and just maching it a bit and adding a air shift linkage.
The above will be years away for me.
The dog clutches add to advailable performance on road.
I learnt the diff is a detroit locker and that explains why it is a bit touchy in this set up.
The forward/reverse is done via having two crown wheels running on the same pinion in the diff.
It is all very simple , if not a bit crude.
I will try and find pics.

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 06:53 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/563.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/564.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/565.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/566.jpg

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 07:09 PM

All the following are not of my stolly but pics I have picked up for reference.
Home made dog clutch.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/50.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/49.jpg
Getting a bit of air
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/560.jpg
Drivers view in the drink
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/561.jpg
A Stolly with its pants down
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/562.jpg

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 07:17 PM

Model without crane showing hydraulic oil tank, some panels removed so we can see into the cabin.
the 2 bottles to the right are for the in built fire extingisher system.
Note air horn.
All cooling and ventilation air is drawn though this space from the top of the cabin and expelled via 2 large radiator fans in the extreme rear, so the whole hull is always ventalated.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/559.jpg
The 2 rods on the left are the steering for the water jets.
The large tank in the middle is fuel.
The reason for using bevel boxes instead of a normal drive line is to maximise advailible room.
The drive shafts are out of sight running down each side of the fuel tank.
The white box in the cabin on the right side just in view is the boiling vessel so you steam and fry, warm or more importantly for the british boil a cuppa onthe move and has a outlet just like a urn.

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 07:27 PM

Wheel station removal
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/556.jpg
This shows the disc brake .

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/557.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/558.jpg

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 07:52 PM

One thing that gives a stolly abit of worry to people who dont know is a clanking noise at idle and it seems like the motor has a big end about to let go.
The air compressor is driven via landrover size tailshaft 6 ft long and the shaft rings with the piston on the compressor going over centre.
My stolly is no different and the noise goes away with engine speed or at full air pressure.
The brakes are dual system air over hydraulic even the foot master cyls are dual independant.
Trailer brakes are straight air.
The brakes and air system is very complex.
Air is not sent into the cabin until 60 psi is reached and there is no low air warning buzzer.
This pic shows the hydraulic motor for the winch.
This is looking from under the driver seat with the water tight lid removed.
The winch cable runs forward though the hull and the winch gets wet when swimming,
The winch itself is accessed via removing a large hull plate between the front wheels.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/555.jpg

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 08:01 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/553.jpg
That is a winch which had been threaded wrong and this view is from the bottom looking upwards into the hull with the bottom plate removed.
I am yet to check this part of my Stolly out.....it could be a big rusty mess, time will tell.
This the self laying guide rollers which is at the extreme front of the hull
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/554.jpg

101 Ron

20th January 2011, 08:09 PM

I have some thing which has been removed from my stolly..............may be some sort of light.
Does anyone got ideas on what it could be.
It is the lefthand side top rear of the body,,,,,,,the tool box in fact.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/552.jpg
The water proof horn is apart of a fire warning system.
The ribbed thing centre to right is the rear tail gate.

101 Ron

22nd January 2011, 05:40 PM

How good is the world of stollys.
Both the other stolly owners in aust have contacted me.
One is is being very helpful and offering two cabin hatches and a hand bilge pump for nothing !
I have not anything much to trade in return.
My hand bilge pump is missing and my roof hatches are badly rusted, so this is a great help.
Nothing is easy on a Stolly.
just getting the stop lights to work is going to be a reasonable job in its self as it looks like i am having to hang upside down tomorrow and remove the whole valve assy to service it.
I decided to find out why the electric bilge pump was not working, I could hear the relay working but not the pump.
It has turned out someone has removed it before it came to aust.
So I will have to rig up a 24volt pump or try and import a original one.
I read some where some sort of paper work is kept with the motor in a sealed tube.
I found this today and will free up the threads and find out whats inside soon.
I hope it will give me a idea of its history.
Finding things and where they are is taking a bit of time as there is much in a small area.
I think the bilge pump,is important , not for swimming but for controlling the oil level in the hull:p:p:p:p:D:D:eek:
It appears that some stollys were working on the gold coast broad water some 10 years ago and they died a salt corrosion death a short time after.
Ron

101 Ron

22nd January 2011, 06:17 PM

I though I would share some of the photos I have been collecting from the internet.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/481.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/482.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/483.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/484.jpg

101 Ron

22nd January 2011, 06:19 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/477.jpg
Note the very shallow flat sump of the Rolls because of the dry sump set up the motor is mounted very low close to the floor of the hull.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/478.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/479.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/480.jpg

101RRS

5th February 2011, 10:30 AM

Hey Ron - here is another one for sale - just in case yours gets lonely:)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 411053.htm (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Specialist-cars/Competition-cars/auction-331411053.htm)

Garry

101RRS

5th February 2011, 11:04 AM

Or is this your next project???

YouTube - JollyStolly

101RRS

5th February 2011, 11:13 AM

Or this

YouTube - Lego Alvis Stalwart 6x6 All Terrain Truck

101 Ron

5th February 2011, 10:36 PM

There seems to be a few over in the land of the long white cloud, all privately imported.
I have heard a story of where 3 or 4 stollys are being imported to australia for someone who wants to run one of those you can drive a tank or big army truck place where the general public pays to do so.
Also there is some other stuff like Sadalin/Sarasen and tracked british APCs.
All that stuff is cheap as to buy in UK.......just getting it here is the problem.
I have been doing very little to my stolly due work pressures and the heat wave.
It is ready for a inspection for Historic Plates, but it may be a month also before this happens.
I have received the two rust free cabin hatches from from another stolly owner in Qld which is a god send as mine were a big problem.
I am learning some parts which I may need are kicking around Aust if you know where to find them.
Still learning about these machines.
A local bloke spent 8 years driving one in REME and never had any problems with the drive system.
Everyone who has had any real time with these machines in service loved them.
I have discovered a few facts too.
The French were to make the stolly under license as the Aurochs made by Berliet( I dont know how many were made and the deal fell though when Rover purchased Alvis)
Some were painted in desert colours for the first gulf war( I have no idea how many or if any made it to the gulf war as it was at the end of there life with Nato and everyone was trying to go diesel.
My Stolly has a few layers of army green and then a desert brown of the british army and then green over the top of that.
I am guessing the last green paint job was after army service.
If any one finds a service pics of a Stolly in the gulf war I would be interested.
The little screw top tube ( fitted on the engine ) which is suppose to hold engine reconditioning /service details was empty so I have currently no more cues to its service history.
I may find out more when I start sanding to paint it.
A Army brass plate in the cabin is missing to.
My shopping list of missing parts is some thing like this.
1x Electric bilge pump.
1x hand bilge pump
1x boiling vessel and wiring with plug.
10 tracta joint boots (not needed in a hurry)
Radio gear mainly for the intercom
Every thing else is serviceable.
The water proof Clansman speaker I have fitted on the rear LHS tool box is not a normal fitting.....only one is usually fitted to the RHS front of the cargo bay .
The bracket which has been removed from the LHS tool box( above the clansman speaker ) is not a normal fitting too.
I have two brackets which bolt to the inside of the rear tailgate which after some guessing from the Stolly forum site is to hold a ladder which seems to be abit of a rare fitting.
There are some very large non standard bolt holes in the rear of the cabin to hold something very heavy ........?
I am wondering what this stollys job was in the british army.

Bracket on rear tail gate (ladder) and note radiator, hull outlet in floor and the plate and loops for straps to hold two water jerry cans.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1190.jpg

wagoo

6th February 2011, 10:00 AM

''Everyone who has had any real time with these machines in service loved them''

The British are like that though. Anecdotally they also loved those truly awful Morris Quad artillery tractors of WW2:)
I'm amazed to learn of so many Ozzy Stollies that are now crawling out of the woodwork.Were they all private imports?Or did they come out with the Commers, Humbers etc for the A bomb business?
Wagoo.

101 Ron

6th February 2011, 09:49 PM

All private imports.
The once plentiful supply of stollys in the UK has dried up and parts to some extent.
A lot of stollys went for scrap 10 years ago.
Alot have found there way all around the world.
Small numbers were used by other Nato countries (not aust) and this helped to spread them around.
They were also a commerical design.
Other than russian imports the stolly is the last common amphibious load carrying wheeled truck readly advailible to the restorer or commerical operater.
Some thing like 50 percent of Larcs didnt survive the Vietam War and there was not a great number made with a large number still in service with different armed forces as there is nothing to replace them...therefore not many LARCs around.
The DUKWs are around ,but are now very old for a commerical operator and most numerious use for them ,other than private restoration is in america were something like 250 of them are tourist water/land buses.
It is estimated another 250 survive with restorers.
I think 21000 DUKWs made
about 1200 Larcs and Stollys made. .........remember 500 Larcs lost in vietam.

101 Ron

6th February 2011, 10:03 PM

Some more pics
French Auroch version
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1133.jpg
A stolly in the desert
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1134.jpg
Stollys which have found commerical lives
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1135.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1136.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1137.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1138.jpg

101 Ron

6th February 2011, 10:09 PM

YouTube - AMFIBIE INVASIE SOURCY VITAMIN WATER by Natwerk & Woedend!

juddy

7th February 2011, 08:57 AM

YouTube - AMFIBIE INVASIE SOURCY VITAMIN WATER by Natwerk & Woedend! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWjcgBg71kQ&feature=related)

Great idea **** Music...

wagoo

7th February 2011, 12:17 PM

The extended WB duck bus would have been an engineering exercise!
Wagoo

101 Ron

10th February 2011, 05:09 PM

I had a win today.
My Stolly is now on historic plates.
This has been a bit of a long slog to do the right thing with the RTA and the club registra.
I have heard of a few oversize historic vehicles being on historic rego and the oversize not being declaired.
I didnt want to go this way as if a accident happens it looks bad for the clubs involved and opens a big can of worms which wouldnt do anyone any good.
The RTA have been helpful and fair and the restrictions I have on the vehicle are reasonable.
It took a hour and half to get it processed to today and the staff were having a little bit of trouble trying class what a alvis Stalwart is.:p
I have to carry in the vehicle a bit of paper saying its OK to be slightly over width.
This is important as in NSW the Stolly may have to go though truck checking stations with automatic oversize sensors.
The next battle is trying to get some comprehensive insurance at a reasonable price.

101 Ron

10th February 2011, 06:01 PM

One of those kiwi Stollys.
It looks like it is the first try at swimming after a restoration.
Note when it first backs in the clank of the compressor, which is a stolly trate.
When he tries out the jets for the first time or tries to drive out on the jets alone you can just hear the cativation as the inlets on the sides grab air.
This is in salt water too!
YouTube - Alvis Stalwart in New Zealand - 1st Swim/Dunk

iain reed

10th February 2011, 07:26 PM

congratulations ron well done on getting plates
:):):)

101 Ron

11th February 2011, 11:46 PM

I have 2 other historic vehicles with Shannons insurance and the insurance is cheap as for these 2 vehicles.
Naturally shannons had no listing for a alvis stalwart so they googled it and then asked if it was amphibious.
After a bit of disscussion and and many questions etc it is insured for what I paid for it.
The insurance was not that cheap as they claim if any thing goes wrong the stolly could cause a bit of damage to other vehicles etc with its 11 tonne weight and the value of the stolly is self is more than average for a military truck.
I have a good track record with shannons.
what they did do is group all my historic vehicle insurance together in one lump and give me a discount on the other 2 vehicles.
They made it very clear they wouldnt touch it at all if I sank the thing in the drink and that is fair enough.
If I ever swim the thing I will get it insured as a boat with a boat insurance company and that should solve that problem.
In NSW any powered vessel over 5.5 mtrs long regardless of its capable speed must be registed, ( the stolly is something like 6.2 mtrs) so that is another bit of red govt tape to go though a couple of years down the track.
I have found someone to act as co driver this Saterday so I am set for a bit of a test..........just got to find a few hundred quid to get the fuel tank to 1/4 full:o

wagoo

12th February 2011, 08:13 AM

I have found someone to act as co driver this Saterday so I am set for a bit of a test..........just got to find a few hundred quid to get the fuel tank to 1/4 full:o
Ron, is it legally possible to fit the appropriate number of seats and seatbelts so that you can get a few mates together to chip in for fuel? I read the other day of a bloke in the UK with a 12 man crew cab Leyland Martian Artillery Tractor.With everyone chipping in it was equivelant to getting 48mpg instead of 4mpg.That's all assuming of course that unlike myself, you actually have mates.
Wagoo.

Mick_Marsh

12th February 2011, 08:30 AM

Ron, is it legally possible to fit the appropriate number of seats and seatbelts so that you can get a few mates together to chip in for fuel? I read the other day of a bloke in the UK with a 12 man crew cab Leyland Martian Artillery Tractor.With everyone chipping in it was equivelant to getting 48mpg instead of 4mpg.That's all assuming of course that unlike myself, you actually have mates.
Wagoo.
On the other hand, you might be able to get those acquaintances to chip in some money for you to drive away.
Anywhere.
Just away.

Loving this thread Ron. Seriously, do you think it is possible to drive it up those hills to the farm?

101RRS

12th February 2011, 11:02 AM

Ron - Well done on getting the historic plates. Try Lumleys Special Vehicles insurance - they are only 2/3rd the cost of Shannons for my 101 and give better coverage.

Garry

101 Ron

12th February 2011, 09:32 PM

Well things were interesting.
The curent seating is for Seven people with Three in the cabin and Four in the area near the cane on the fold down seats and it was stated on the RTA rego as that.
One of the restrictions is that it is not to be used for commercial purposes and carry people.
The way I read it is I cannot carry people for money which is fair enough.
The insurance company may not have read it the same way and It could be in a grey area.
I do need to carry a passenger in the LHS and may be the RHS seat at times for safety at say a ANZAC march where the driver would have trouble seeing the bottom front corners of the vehicle.
I took a friend with me today to ride shot gun and help me centre the vehicle on the road if I had problems as I was worried about the forward control drivers position with , the width of the vehicle and the near central drivers position.
It turns out I had no problems with this and manervering the vehicle on or off road.
The steering is very different........but not a problem in any way.
The vehicle does want to move around abit when putting on or off power on the road and is a matter of getting to know the vehicle.
The passenger couldnt feel it , but the driver knows different.
Gear changes require a slight steering correction too.
My biggest problem was a lack of grunt due to the hydraulic throttle only giving me half of what it should and most likely fouled sparkplugs.
Brakes are up there with the best .
Suspension and tyres give a bouncey ride at times and it works well off road to a point.
Most pot holed roads dont exist with this vehicle.
I have a few moto X jumps in a old quarry near home to drive the stolly over to try and get a feel for the way the vehicle will perform off road.
Its size is the biggest restriction as it just doesnt fit down a lot of tracks.
In fact I took out a mirror big time.
It will not fit under the roof of ther local servo to refuel ( atlas crane) and that limits me to just one bowser etc.
It is early days, but I got a feel for the way the the vehicle drives and what work I need to do to get it to a better standard.
The separate forward/reverse gear lever helps alot in speeding up turning the vehicle in bush tracks as you have to back and fill alot to queeze around things.
This thing is totally different to any miltiary vehicle I have driven before and I have driven a few from M113 to M816 to jeeps .
It seems where ever this thing goes there going to be someone wanting follow and ask what it is.
I have a lot of work to do and not much spare time to do it so it is going to be a slow job.
The thing is now I can legally take it to the next ANZAC march or airshow etc that comes up near by and start to enjoy the vehicle and show it off.
Looking at the speedo and hour meter it is something like this.
175 hours............285 miles............very low and most likely since last overhaul when the guages where most likely changed.( I cannot believe that would be original.)
The motor , transmission, brakes and steering are in good condition.
Ron

101 Ron

12th February 2011, 09:49 PM

Just one more thing .
The fuel filler is up very high near the top of the cabin...ie 3 mtrs off the ground(so water cannot get into the fuel for amphibious use), so I climbed down the drivers side and my mate standing though the left side hatch hole had to hold the petrol dispenser after I passed it up to him.
The stolly takes a while to slightly fill the tank :o, so I though I would save time and line up to pay while my mate was still at it..
I find out the bloke at the till couldnt give me the bill as my mate couldnt hang up the petrol dispenser to shut it off.:p:p:angel:
I am learning.

101 Ron

12th February 2011, 10:27 PM

On the other hand, you might be able to get those acquaintances to chip in some money for you to drive away.
Anywhere.
Just away.

Loving this thread Ron. Seriously, do you think it is possible to drive it up those hills to the farm?

If you guys want me to keep posting I will.

Going to the family property will not be a problem and that has been put down as one of its places of storage.
The farm is a good play spot and the local 4wd club uses it as it is very much out of the way and hard to find, but not to too far away from town.
The size thing becomes a factor again, as the area is almost rain forest in parts and regrowth is high, so the tracks get closed in.
The last time I had my studebaker 6x6 up there I was limited in where i could go without taking out the canvas and canopy bows, in years past in was never much a problem at the farm.
I may have to get to find time to do a bit of clearing with the tractor.( that time problem again)
I dont think driving the stolly up and down reasonable hills off road is not going to be problem unless it is super steep, where the short wheel base comes into play.
The limiting factor is going to be the operator, as hanging infront of a short wheel base vehicle with bouncy suspension going down a steep hill is going to take more guts than I will likely have.
This vehicle I say will not be any speedster going up hills on the highway.
As I said , it is early days and I have much to do to get the thing running at its best.
I am thinking civie versions of this motor gave 300 hp with triple SUs and will solve the problems of having a carby set up for MT 80 fuel which doesnt exist anymore and the long inlet manifold for the straight Eight which gives plug fouling problems.
300 hp would be just right verses 220 to 240 hp.

101 Ron

12th February 2011, 10:39 PM

YouTube - alvis stalwart (stolly) @ KORC going down 12/04/09

drifter

13th February 2011, 05:05 PM

If you guys want me to keep posting I will.

Please do - I am fascinated.

101 Ron

14th February 2011, 10:04 PM

I am still learning about these vehicles.
The poms used Mk1 stollys in Aden and were better than the Bedfords in use for the delivery of ammo, fuel and supplies to various units in the area.
The local roads were unsealed and often very rough which was perfect for the stollys and could operate at higher speeds.
The roads were oftened mined and the stollys were mine resiistant and bullet ressitant too.( the locals were not very happy)
The Windscreens are suppose to be ammour glass, the bottom plates are about 8mm thick with about 3mm around the cabin.
They were new at that time and cutting edge.
Found these pics.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/695.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/696.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/697.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/698.jpg

101 Ron

14th February 2011, 10:08 PM

This is the vehicle the stalwart was developed from.
It is called the Salamander (fire fighter)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/693.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/694.jpg
I have heard that Three salamanders were used in Aust for airfield work by the Govt.

101 Ron

14th February 2011, 10:27 PM

Learning about the Rolls Royce B81 motor.
It was designed and tested in WW11.
Designed for the miltiary only, but rolls tried commerical sales later (diesel sales killed that idea)
The best materials and design was used for the time.
The designed life is 300,000 miles before overhaul.
It is a very under stressed motor for long life.
What appears to have killed these motors in real life is a lack of use in militiary and civie hands.
(Internal rust and and the rings lossing tension.)
They are dry seleeve cylinders, with screw in harden valve seat incerts etc.
Very well made.
For some reason the poms in the design of the motor went from overhead valve to F head....side exhaust as they though it was easier to controll exhaust valve temps.
I know side valves can limit compression and horse power by its design.
The good news is Rolls knocked out civie versions with much higher out puts than the militiary versions....220 to 240 hp with about 340 ft lbs
The civie versions went to 300 hp and these pics of a 1951 Bentley with a RR B81 puts out 400hp and 400 ft lbs
There is hope for the old stolly yet........four SUs seems a simple mod to do.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/691.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/692.jpg

DODGE

14th February 2011, 10:40 PM

Gday ron

The 4 su carbs looks like a good idea. just watched the video of the stollie going down that hill,you think the guy would have straightened it up a bit first,i bet he had to change his pants when the back started lifting.:D

Gaz

101 Ron

18th February 2011, 08:25 PM

More poo on the drivers seat with this one.
It looks like the whole rear end picked up and the Stolly skidded down on the front bow plate and thats why the driver couldnt steer it.
Nice to know the bow plate may stop it going right over.
A brave thing to do........look at the height above ground the driver was before he put the nose over.( the driver most likely wouldnt see where the vehicle was going until things started to go wrong.)
YouTube - amfibie

May be if the driver kept off the brakes, the front wouldnt have not dug in and the steering may have worked better.

101 Ron

18th February 2011, 09:02 PM

I am starting to get into this amphibious thing a bit.
I have decided the ultimate FC is a OT-64 APC made by TATRA( not the Stolly) based on the TATRA 813/815 truck range.
Three things are interesting about this vid.

It high lights the hassles of getting a wheeled ampibious vehicle out of the water( thats why most have winches).

Russian Ampibious gear is very good.

Tracked ampibious vehicles have good all round performance with less mechanical problems and openings in the hull.

Things can turn to poo in very short order.
The LuAZ 4x4 is a small vehicle with central driving position and is propelled in the water by its wheels only( I have seen one swim at Corowa)
CHECK OUT from 5.50 onwards.

YouTube - Plavby OT-64.mpg

Don 130

18th February 2011, 09:22 PM

Thanks Ron, yes keep posting as long as it doesn't impinge too much on your time. It's a great looking beast. Good luck with it all.
Don.

wagoo

19th February 2011, 06:37 AM

I vaguely recall reading that the Stolly was able to be fitted with small rockets to assist in exiting the water. I believe these are available cheaply from the US equivelant of Aussie Disposals.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

23rd February 2011, 05:15 PM

My Stolly taken from a mates phone camera.
Its first run on Aussie roads.
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Lotz-A-Landies

23rd February 2011, 05:18 PM

101 Ron

23rd February 2011, 06:10 PM

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101 Ron

23rd February 2011, 06:49 PM

This was taken a few days after I got the stolly.
Note the pommie number plates still on it.
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jakeslouw

23rd February 2011, 10:51 PM

Ron, if you want a Saracen, there are quite a few floating around in South Africa. They were used as Cash In Transit vehicles for a while until the ANC passed some laws restricting all ownership of military and ex-military vehicles by private individuals.

wagoo

24th February 2011, 07:46 PM

Just try to get some JATO rockets through Customs! :o

Diana :D
I was thinking of the Acme brand rockets occasionally used by the Coyote in the old Road Runner cartoon series:)
wagoo.

Mick_Marsh

24th February 2011, 08:14 PM

101 Ron

24th February 2011, 08:27 PM

One pommie maintaince nightmare is enough....why would I want another one.
I am not into amoured vehicles.
What I do need to find is a dead rusty saracen just for spare tracta joints and hubs.
saracens also have a higher ratio transfercase...ie more speed.
Dont need the JATOs, I just gear up the water jets a bit so they can push a volume of air instead of water, add a sparkplug and some petrol and the stolly would most likely get a better fuel burn and more speed:D:D:D:D:p

101 Ron

7th March 2011, 08:28 PM

The latest information I have is a MK1 stolly will be at Corowa to go for a swim.
It will travel more than 250 miles under its own power to get there.
It is a thing like if it makes it as it is under going alot of repair work and has not been driven any miles in the last few years.
I now plan to get to corowa just to see it as it has a few modications of interest to me.
To do this sort of trip in a Stolly takes much prep (something which the army could do) but is alot harder forty years down the track in civie hands.

I have been trying to repair the hatches and hatch locks on my stolly and it is interesting to see the construction.
Everything is hand made.
Even the simple locks which are hand oxy welded and fabricated from simple castings and folded steel.( not purchased out side Alvis)
This means parts do not directly interchange from one lock to another without hand fitting.
What all this means is every little detail takes alot longer.
Fitting another hatch from another Stolly means a bit of old fashion bending on hinges and things.
They are a hand made vehicle from the ground up.
The worst thing is no effort was made to prevent rust and water corrosion and so alot of work if swum in salt water.

101 Ron

30th March 2011, 08:42 PM

Found these on You tube.
The first is a good general layout of the vehicle.(same model as mine)
YouTube - Stalwart_secret_agent_man.wmv
This one shows the Atlas crane
YouTube - Stalwart_crane_video.MP4
This shows a Stolly stuck and using the winch
YouTube - Slab common Stalwart
Progress on my Stolly has been slow due to time and money restraints.
The hatches are painted, rust free and refitted.
Front seats are out of it currently........the original wooden backings are rotten, so new ones need to be made.
I pulled up some of the front alloy floor plates and found more corrosion work and painting to be done.
The only good news is a important seal on the winch for water/swimming is in place and appears to be in good condition.
The windscreen glass needs to be removed and corrosion treated.....this is a big job.
Much work in front of me just doing simple things in the front of the vehicle.
The saving grace is the mechanical side of things is very good.

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 05:08 PM

This thread is now going to be my restoration thread.
My progress will be slow due to the complex nature of the machine and my current lack of time and money.
As per last post I have been playing with the seats.
This required some new seat backs which are curved ply wood.
I have rigged up a old army cooker to boil a large alloy tub of water which boils and steams the wood.
First I tried just leaving the ply wood in a press to try and get the shape and soon realised that to form ply wood to a shaped you really need a mould.
being in the forklift game I soon discovered a forklift rear tyre dropped on to the ply wood between two pieces of metal pipe will give the shape.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/839.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/840.jpg
The forklift wheel trick with a forklifts great weight has worked.
The main cargo area main engine acess hatch is currently being remade in gal, and alloy by a local marine firm.
more to come .

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 05:23 PM

These seats I am working on are the passenger seats either side of thr driver in the cabin.
The folding hinges have been matched up with some local hardware items which were cut down to suit and welded on as the old items were U/S.
The rear removeable mud guards had cancer in them and were needle gunned and then new metal mig welded in where required.
The cargo area divider boards, one to separate the radiator blast from the cargo area and another for the gunners on their folding seats and roof in the rear behind the cabin have been attacked with paint stripper and then sand blasted with a chinese machine I have purchased .
They are of alloy construction.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/838.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/588.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/589.jpg

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 05:30 PM

I have been lucky lately and have picked this up for 1500 dollars.
Work has picked up the bill.
I have spent today getting it going.
It is large and works well.
I hope for great things with this blaster and the stolly.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/587.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/586.jpg
I also found this and picked up with 200 boxes of fittings and a small amount of hose for 700 dollars.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/837.jpg

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 05:47 PM

I have not been driving the Stolly as it needs a special set of sparkplugs which do not seem to be advailible in australia.
The hydraulic accellerator unit needs replacing and the UK is the best place to find that too.
The dollar is good to do this currently from the UK but I am short on funds and still owe AJ some money so it will be on the back burner for a little while.( my 101 is getting some canvas work done too....more money)
The seats I will go far as I can with them and then do a laybuy deal with the upholster .
A friend of mine who is well off would buy the Stolly if I wanted to sell.
It is nice to know I can get out of this if it gets too much.
There has been a small army of people though the shed where it is kept to look at it ............may be I should charge admission.
Ron

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 06:08 PM

While I am at it , somemore Alvis Stalwart history.
As per a previous post the stalwart was developed from the Salamander fire fighter.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/831.jpg
This is the first stalwart.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/832.jpg
It couldnt float unless it was wrapped in canvas and had no water jets.
This is the next one made which lead the way forward.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/833.jpg
It had a single hatch on the roof and a large radiator blast shute for water operations.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/834.jpg
The next ones had the fuel filler moved above the water line and the exhaust moved from the rear of the cabin to the rear of the cargo area.

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 06:19 PM

Another interesting version of the salamander was this.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/830.jpg
It is set up to test aircraft tyres and landing gear.
You can just see the extra tyre underneath.

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 06:32 PM

The first vehicle of the series was the Saladin amoured vehicle.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/828.jpg
Developed from the Saladin was the Saracin APC
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/05/829.jpg
They all have similer suspension and drive system.
The stalwart has a bigger motor, with manual transmission , verses preselector box and a locker in the diff with the Stalwart.
Note all the names start with "S"
It also explains why the stalwart has thick plates on the lower part of it hull.
The Saracin and the stalwart were made on the same production line if and when required.

101 Ron

15th May 2011, 07:02 PM

Another interesting fact the Stalwart has a secondary proplosion system when swiming in the drink .
water jets 6.5 knots
Spinning drive wheels 4 knots.???????????
Steering in water is normally done by vetoring the water jets.(each jet can be steered independant of the other and reversed independant)
It can be done by the twin leading steering wheels or both wheels and jets.
it is possible to get a Stolly to crab side ways in the water.

101 Ron

5th July 2011, 03:57 PM

Just a quick up date.
Whisle the passenger seats are being reupholstered I have taken to the seat belt rewinds as they were jamed.
The clock springs were rusted and broken
After some searching I found some forklift seat belt rewind springs that will do the job.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1331.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1332.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1333.jpg
I have moved the stolly out doors as the short winter days limit me to about 30mins work after my 4.00pm knock off time with my job in a shed with no electricity.
The air charge tank is out of it as I wanted to ensure the auto water drain valve is working and the air system is not full of water.
The auto drain valve can be a problem, so I have fitted a Tee piece and a hand drain valve too.
It must be remembered the engine and workings cannot be accessed if the vehicle is loaded and thats why the vehicle is fitted with auto water drains and remote engine oil level sensor.

The charge tank sand blasted of rust and painted.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1334.jpg

Charge tank assembled ready for refitting.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1335.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1336.jpg

101 Ron

5th July 2011, 04:08 PM

The rust in the top of hull needs to be treated as if it is left any longer it will be rusted though.
The problem is of needle gunning the rust will take along time with noise issuses in side the hull and cabin.
Sand blasting will fill the hull with sand.
I am still to work out a answer.
The cabin bolt on side steps have been sand blasted and painted and sealed on the hull with silastic.
I think I can solve my sparkplug problems by using civie sparkplugs which gives me the option of fitting self cleaning plugs and making a adaptor for the military suppressed HT leads.

101 Ron

5th July 2011, 04:26 PM

To fix the rust will require stripping of most body fittings, floor plates, tail gates, cabin access plates etc.
I am not ready to go there yet.
The shed to store it under cover I may soon lose and settting up a ridge pole and body tarp is more important.
Any leaves, dirt, water ect gets collected in the back and ends up in the goo in the bottom of the hull.
A tarp is important.
The Mark 2 Limber stolly with crane had two tall posts to take the ridge pole over the crane.
I was thinking just using one long post at the rear and use the crane itself to support the pole at the front.

101 Ron

5th July 2011, 04:51 PM

Now for some old pics
Prototype water testing.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1323.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1324.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1325.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1326.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1327.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1328.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1329.jpg

101 Ron

5th July 2011, 04:55 PM

Some interesting vid
YouTube - ‪salvage squad the stolly part 1‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪salvage squad the stolly part 2‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪salvage squad the stolly part 3‬&rlm;
I love the flames out of the exhaust on this one.
YouTube - ‪salvage squad the stolly part 4‬&rlm;

DODGE

10th July 2011, 12:56 PM

Gday ron

Seems to be comming along nicely.

Gaz

easo

10th July 2011, 04:22 PM

Some great vids there, cheers

101 Ron

10th July 2011, 05:02 PM

Thanks for the following.
The work is only starting.
Today I started to take a close look at the hull after taking out the flooring.
A quick run of the needle gun found about 100 small holes on one side only and many , many preivous patches and repairs to keep the old girl water tight.
For preivous owners to go to the trouble of patching the hull tells me this thing must have been a swimmer.
These repairs were all done a while a go and with a stick welder.
This rust is not though swimming , but though storage, as rain water collects in the flat area above the wheels.
I am a bit angery as the hull is full of gum leaves telling me a Aussie owner knew of this and the vehicle is no where swim worthy as I was lead to believe.

Note the leaking green coolant and see how it collects and causes rust.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1098.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1099.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1100.jpg
Note where the welding is rough is where a previous plate has been welded in and even some of them have rusted though
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1101.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1102.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1103.jpg

101 Ron

10th July 2011, 06:32 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1090.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1091.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1092.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1093.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1094.jpg

101 Ron

10th July 2011, 06:38 PM

This cover plate on the back of the cabin is next to come off as I know there is tin worm inside.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1084.jpg
This is looking from the outside near the side gate sealing strip and a preivous repair with a rust hole underneath
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1085.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1086.jpg
Rust on the sealing strip plates means it will have to be pulled out.
The seals would work OK currently, but I think due to there age once removed they cannot be used again.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1087.jpg

101 Ron

10th July 2011, 06:44 PM

I suspect to find more holes when I go looking on the other side of the Hull.
This is the cover plate that goes over the radiator.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1082.jpg
This is the alloy deck frame of which there is four which I now know are quickly removeable.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/07/1083.jpg

101 Ron

10th July 2011, 06:56 PM

A couple of interesting things I have learnt.
The desert sand colour paint on the stolly was painted over the factory deep bronze green.
This means it was used by the army in a dry place.
A few coats of army green are then over that.
I will needle gun the hull on the out side as the paint chips off well and being so many coats and thick it doesnt sand blast well with the equiptment I have.
I tried the crane in anger the other day and it picked up easily 3 tons in the postion where it is only suppose to pick up 2 tons.
The crane is very under rated.
The stolly has no support legs to take the weight side on.
It is supprizing for something that rides so well it leans very ,very little and the legs are not needed in any way.
The crane I expect will pick up 2 tons at full reach and 4 tons or more in close.

101 Ron

10th July 2011, 07:07 PM

Another thing is the gearbox really lays on its side.
By doing this the side PTO which is normal for a gearbox is now placed on top and the gear shift clears the transfercase so it can run to the cabin.(as it is now to one side of the vehicle)
This also allows the gearbox to be mounted low to the floor on its side with the dry sump engine.
I am seeing though the maze of pipes and learning this is a very clever vehicle.
I am finding that access to most components is not a problem if you know how to go about it.
In fact I would say it is far easier that its armoured car cousins.
Dont expect this thread to be a quick one .
Time is not my friend.

easo

11th July 2011, 04:57 PM

It seems you have all the swimming kit still fitted.

Easo

stuee

11th July 2011, 07:10 PM

These pictures are great. I find it fascinating seeing the inner workings of a vehicle like this :cool:

101 Ron

11th July 2011, 07:30 PM

The plan is now to strip it down abit more and still keep it mobile.
I spent a hour this afternoon trying to free up the bolts that hold the rear of the cabin cover plate.
I am still deciding if I am going to replate the upper sides of the hull or just keep on patching the thing.
I have a plasma cutter and good mig.(but no folding gear and no big shed to work in)
I will wait until,the days get longer before doing any of this.
I have plenty of work in cleaning up the stuff I have taken off.
I need to find that coolant leak.......not that easy as it is coming from the header tank hidden in apart of the truck I have not gotten to yet.
In every thing I look at I find more work.

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 05:08 PM

just a up date.
I am finding plenty of work just painting stuff I have stripped off the back of the thing.
There are about 40 alloy plates like this which take about an hour to sand blast the larger ones due to the shape and amount of paint on them.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/973.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/974.jpg
The main engine cover has come back today with new folded gal steel strips in place and a alloy bottom plate and stiffeners in place of the badly corroded steel ones it had.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/975.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/976.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/977.jpg

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 05:12 PM

A new bilge pump has arrived and hydraulic accellerator unit to which the pedal fits to.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/970.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/971.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/972.jpg

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 05:18 PM

The bilge pump is supprizingly American made and I will need to make a strainer for it.
The folding troop/gunner seat frames have been painted and strenghten as they were bent and tend to be used as a jump down landing point when going from the cabin to the cargo area.
new cushion bases have been made and are getting covered.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/966.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/967.jpg
The passenger cabin seats are all finished.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/968.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/969.jpg

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 05:25 PM

The large plate which holds the jerry cans and is the floor plate over the radiator is corroded underneath on its stiffiners, so it has been sent off to get some new steel folded.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/964.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/965.jpg

101RRS

12th August 2011, 05:28 PM

Nice work there Ron.

So when do you expect to have it in usable road condition.

Garry

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 05:41 PM

This thing is going to take me years to do it right.
It is driving and historic plates now.........but is not reliable and not to a standard I am happy to drive it around anywhere.
Time and then money are the main problems.
Working for myself and a young family makes it hard.
I also want to fit a Jolly Engineering electronic ignition conversion kit to it as the standard twin points set up is a nightmare and needs to be set up with the dist on the bench and special tools used to set it up correctly.
The size and scale of the vehicle makes it hard.
I have nearly used 8 litres of paint so far and I couldnt tell you where it went.
If I remember correctly the last time I painted a landrover 4 litres did the job.
If I was retired things would move much quicker.
Ron
PS
I have a jeep ,101 landy, B40 BSA,US6 studebaker to maintain and some other toys of my mums in the the big picture of things.

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 05:49 PM

A few old pics

A REME version with a tank power Pak in it, a Atlas crane with safety valving to install the power pak and various tools.
Note the different rear canopy and the carrier bolted to the rear tail gate just above the water line.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/961.jpg

Fuel/water resupply was a major roll of the Stolly
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/962.jpg

Even the fact my Stolly is set up as a gun limber/tractor they were never used in that roll.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/963.jpg

101RRS

12th August 2011, 06:05 PM

So you going to call it the "Titanic":o.

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 06:15 PM

101 Ron

12th August 2011, 06:17 PM

A collander or a sieve might be a better name in its current condition.

Lotz-A-Landies

12th August 2011, 06:53 PM

I have been thinking of a name for it.
The family farm is called Leebold
My ultralite plane was called skybold.
My current boat is called Seabold.
I will have to sell my current boat to keep the stolly , so I think it will be Seabold unless I uncover a name whisle sanding back the paint work.The propulsion system is a water jet isn't it? You could name it "jetbold".

Another option is that the word "run" is sometimes used to describe a watercourse and particularly the flow of a river. "Run" is also used in it's traditional meaning for locomotion on land. You could therefore call it "runbold" describing it's land and aquatic abilities.

wagoo

17th August 2011, 08:02 AM

Was the Tank power pack being transported in the Stolly to repair a disabled tank? or was the Stolly repowered with the engine? which I assume would have been a RR Meteor.If so,.I bet the Stollys bevel boxes would have lasted all of 5 minutes.
Wagoo.

101 Ron

17th August 2011, 05:09 PM

The Reme stollys carried a spare tank motor and the REME boys fit it to a tank if required using the crane.
The stollys role in the British army/ Nato was resupply.
The 60 Reme versions made had safety check valves on the crane(now a standard fitting on most boom lifts and truck cranes)/
If my crane blows a hose.....down goes the load.
A bulk fuel blader was fitted to other models with a petrol motor fuel pump which had a bad habit of setting everything on fire.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/754.jpg
The crane was carried forward over the cabin on Reme nodels.

101 Ron

19th August 2011, 06:39 AM

This is a new alloy carrier tray for the boiling vessel which I had made up.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/711.jpg

All the video links seem to have dissappeared from this thread. ????????

Lotz-A-Landies

19th August 2011, 09:52 AM

Haven't touched any links

101 Ron

19th August 2011, 05:36 PM

Radiator....floor-cover plate now has new renforcing channel under it to replace that rusty stuff.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/658.jpg

peewee

20th August 2011, 08:20 PM

reme stollys very rarely carried a tank engine, this was usually done by a 434 from an frg. tank engines where usually changed by 2nd line repair. 1st line (lad) could remove an engine to work on it but not fit a new one . lad vehicles would usually have a locally made `penthouse' on the back for the crew to live in on exercise. there are a couple of pictures on here showing penthouses, one of them looks like it has a turret stand in the back and has a cvr(w) parked in the background.

101 Ron

30th September 2011, 07:23 PM

Another up date.
At this stage it still suits me to be mucking around with the various bits and pieces I have removed from the vehicle as the yard at work is full of forklifts to be repaired instead of my toys.
I am spending about a hour every second afternoon needle gunning or sand blasting.
The problem is the pommie army has a habit of painting every thing often if it needs it or not.
To paint this great lump of a vehicle properly I need to strip it back as the existing paint coats are just flaking off.
The drivers seat is now getting uphostered while I have the local uphosterer bloke in the mood of doing army green seats.
The drivers seat turns out to be in poor shape and I had to start bending and steaming ply wood again.
I am waiting for a Jolley Engineering electronic ignition kit to arrive from UK at a cost of 350 dollars aust.
The Rolls B81 badly needs this and the following is a interesting read about military suspressed ignition systems and why we in RAEME had so much trouble with the series 3 FFR landies and fitted normal HT leads etc..
http://www.hmvf.co.uk/pdf/IGNITIONMATTERS.pdf
It also explains why the 101 24volt landy has a drop down resistors for the coil and so does the Rolls B81

101 Ron

30th September 2011, 07:32 PM

Some more plywood boiling
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Adjustable drivers seat base and plate painted<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p299/101Ron/?action=view&current=003-11.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p299/101Ron/003-11.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></ahttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/9.jpg>https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/10.jpg

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Forklift being used to bend the plywood to shape
012-8.jpg picture by 101Ron - Photobucket (http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p299/101Ron/?action=view&current=012-8.jpg)
A finished troop seat for the cargo compartment.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/12.jpg

101 Ron

30th September 2011, 07:38 PM

This is a extension alloy pole made to lift the tarp which covers the cargo area higher than normal so the crane is covered by the tarp.
A alloy scaffold pole about 4mtrs long runs from the crane over the cargo bay to the divider wall at the radiator out let.
I need this cover and poles to store and work on the vehicle out side.
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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/6.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/7.jpg

101 Ron

30th September 2011, 08:17 PM

Some more stalwart propaganda pics
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/1.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/2.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/3.jpg

peewee

30th September 2011, 08:56 PM

the electronic ignition should help reliability alot and save having to synchronise the points, how many people actually have the sector plate to do this properly any way?
i used to have to do this alot on the B60 fitted to the humber pigs in northern ireland. i got pretty quick at doing it and could get the engines running really smooth but electronic ignition would have saved a lot of work. i have also heard of some people calling screened ignition waterproof and one idiot even called it armoured !

Mick_Marsh

27th November 2011, 09:05 AM

Is this of any interest to you Ron?
NEW EX MILITARY IGNITION COIL LAND ROVER BEDFORD ALVIS JAGUAR CVRT DAIMLER | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-EX-MILITARY-IGNITION-COIL-LAND-ROVER-BEDFORD-ALVIS-JAGUAR-CVRT-DAIMLER-/260900924101?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehic le_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item3cbee82ac5)

101 Ron

27th November 2011, 11:12 AM

thanks for the info.
The main ignition coil part is a standard lucas 12 volt and the housing will take other standard ignition coils.......the housing doesnt wear out and these I should be able to get locally as it was used in alot other stuff used by the Aust army.
I am still working a few hours a week after work on the Alvis.
There is not much to report so I havent done one.
I am still chipping away at bolt off stuff from the body , removing rust with a needle gun and then a painting.
Time looks like its going to be tight over Xmas so not much will happen then either.
Ron.

101 Ron

27th November 2011, 06:15 PM

Pic of the electronic iginition kit.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/125.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/126.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/127.jpg

101 Ron

27th November 2011, 06:35 PM

These pics all have one thing in common....a stolly hanging the wheels in the air.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/122.jpg
note the oil from the front hub on the one above

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/123.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/124.jpg

101 Ron

27th November 2011, 06:39 PM

This is the french version sales pic
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101 Ron

27th November 2011, 06:41 PM

This pic is interesting as it is in Australia..........we did tropical testing on the stalwart for the british army.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/11/115.jpg

101 Ron

5th December 2011, 07:06 PM

I have been reading a good little book by Bill Monroe about the history of the Saracen and it also has about 20 pages with rare pics on the Stalwart.
It has filled in alot of gaps in my knowlege of the stalwart
I have wondered why there is a removeable corner on the front edge of the cargo body............so a Stalwart can fit inside a Hercules aircraft
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/947.jpg
I manage to use a die grinder tool with a tungsten cutter to remove some countersunk bolt heads holding on the bulk head behind the cabin.
To my susprize it is mostly rust free between the cabin and rear body.
It confirms being stored out in the weather has caused the corrosion in the cargo bay area.
With the bulk head gone it makes some interesting pics.

batteries, battery master switch and petrol filler pipe
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/948.jpg
Looking into the cabin RHS
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/949.jpg
Looking down from RHS of crane
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/950.jpg

101 Ron

5th December 2011, 07:20 PM

Halon bottles for the fire system
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/944.jpg
Base of crane where it bolts to the hull........check out the pipes down there
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/945.jpg
Some floor plates out and LHS seat missing, looking down though LHS roof hatch
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/946.jpg

101 Ron

5th December 2011, 07:27 PM

The cargo area floor plates are almost finished.
They were the first things to come out , so I attacked them , but they will be the last things to go back in.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/12/942.jpg
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I took off the front hull plate where the winch cable comes though and checked out the winch.
It appears to be in good condition as is the cable.....not the rusty mess I was expecting.
The winch seems to sit inside abit of a air bubble to try and keep it dry when swimming....clever.
I have freed up the RHS water jet steering bucket linkage and fixed up some air lines.

101 Ron

5th December 2011, 07:39 PM

The hand bilge pump which bolts onto the rear of the drivers seat I think I will leave out to make it easier to acess under the front cabin floor and rework the plumbing of that pump.
It sucks from the rear of the hull, but the stalwart with crane is nose down in the water.
I will fit a electric one in the front of the hull, pushing the water out though the standard pipes on the front LHS and save the effort of hand pumping.
The main bilge pump is another system at the rear of the machine.
I need to think about doing this before bolting all the cabin plates back in.

101 Ron

5th December 2011, 07:52 PM

I now know that one of the prototype Stalwarts was fitted with a Allison auto and diesel.(K60 multi fuel)....it was not successful as the auto wouldnt provide engine braking and took too much power from the engine.
The auto was found to get confused if there was some wheel slip.
Diesel engines of the time couldnt fit in the engine bay, or lacked the power to weight of the Rolls petrol motor at that point of time.
In the early 1970 to 1980 when Alvis tried to interest the British army in a diesel Alvis stalwart, they were not interested as the british army was still very much a petrol army at that time and the cost of conversion was too much.

Lotz-A-Landies

5th December 2011, 08:06 PM

It must have been very early 1970s, because they made a diesel retrofit kit for the 1950s RL Bedford and by the 1970's the British Army was using diesel MJ Bedfords.

101 Ron

6th December 2011, 03:14 AM

It must have been very early 1970s, because they made a diesel retrofit kit for the 1950s RL Bedford and by the 1970's the British Army was using diesel MJ Bedfords.

In the gulf war the british were still using petrol centurion tanks and some petrol APCs or versions of.
In the 1980s much equiptment was petrol powered including the 101 landrover and stalwart both of which left service in about 1990.
The Fox armoured car was still in service with a petrol motor until 1994.
The australian army in my time in the mid 1980s was still petrol Internationals and landrovers with the unimogs, macks and diesel landrovers only just starting to come into service.
It is interesting to note the problems of fitting a diesel motor to the stalwart.
While modern diesels greatly exceed the power to weight of the Rolls petrol fitted as standard with a much better fuel burn, they do not supply the revs needed for the Stalwarts gearing and the gearbox and transfercase is so specialised that it is not possible to fit other gearboxes or transfer cases that will over come the problem.
Yes in private hands diesels have been fitted to stalwarts, but in is hard driving them anywhere with a 25 mph cruising speed and reaching from one gear to another rev wise would be harder.
The factory conversions using a perkins pacer diesel as I understand it , used a step up gear train between the motor and bell housing and allowed the diesel motor to be raised from the standard drive line as the Rolls was dry sump mounted down very low.
I am still trying to learn more about the few factory conversions done and the exact details.

peewee

6th December 2011, 07:53 PM

It must have been very early 1970s, because they made a diesel retrofit kit for the 1950s RL Bedford and by the 1970's the British Army was using diesel MJ Bedfords.

some petrol rl bedfords remained in service until the mid/late 80s, the mk bedford was in service before the mj ( updated mk with a turbo )

some of the petrol powered vehicles that i can remember in service in the 80s

101 landrover
ser 111 landrovers
ser 11 landrover ambulances
mk1 432
centurian arrv and engineer variants
cvrt
cvrw ( fox)
rl bedford
hmlc ( stalwart)
bsa b40 and can am motorbikes
humber 1 ton (pig used in northern ireland)

i think there was also a leyland recovery vehicle still in service that was petrol powered, but thats all i can think of at the moment

peewee

6th December 2011, 07:54 PM

just remembered the mighty antar tank transporter was also still in service, i think that was petrol

wagoo

7th December 2011, 07:52 PM

just remembered the mighty antar tank transporter was also still in service, i think that was petrol
Powered by a Rover V8 no less.
Actually they were cut down Rolls Merlin inspired V12 Meteor Tank engines that were renamed Meteorite, apparently both petrol and deisel versions were made, although I believe the Antar only got the 280bHp petrol version.
IIRC the later Mighty Antars had 333BHP Rolls Royce Eagle Deisels.
The Leyland Recovery vehicle you mentioned was probably the 6x6 Martian that was powered by a similae RR engine to the Stalwart.
Bill.

peewee

7th December 2011, 07:59 PM

just remembered another one, the ferret scout car (fsc) powered by the same b60 as the humber pig

wagoo

8th December 2011, 06:23 AM

just remembered another one, the ferret scout car (fsc) powered by the same b60 as the humber pig
There were also the 6x6 Scammel Explorer 10 ton recoverys that were powered by 11 litre Meadows deisel engines, converted to petrol by Scammel
themselves.
Don't know why the British forces wanted an all petrol vehicle fleet back then. It doesn't make a lot of sense for tactical vehicles.
Bill.

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 05:17 PM

just a up date.
New sparkplugs and high tension leads are now fitted to my stolly.
The Jolley Engineering electronic ignition is fitted too.
The electronic igniton has transformed the B81 Rolls Royce, runs much better and shows how poor the standard twin points set up was.
Today I took the beast for a local run as it now seems to be delivering the goods engine wise.
Top speed is just over 40 mph and climbing up over humps and short walls etc takes some getting use to as the the nose climbs skyward and then lurches over quickly dropping on to the front wheels while lifting the back off at the same time.
I have to sort out the gear shift as it is very stiff and a host of other small problems.
I will post pics the next time I take it for a run.
I still have to do ignition timing which must be done by road timing it as there is no timing marks on the motor and no way to static time it as the distributor runs excessively retarded at idle so the motor can be hand cranked.

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 05:39 PM

To road time the beast requires two people.........one to drive in the cabin and another brave soul to set the distributor in the cargo bay without being sucked though those two huge cooling fans.
I have been checking out the rust in the cabin , needle gunning and painting.
Luckly the cabin rust is only minor and no major repairs are required other than a non urgent need to remove the windows , treat rust and reseal them.
The cargo bay and rear body work is a different story and I will have to do major replating work if I am going to swim it.
Fitting the electronic ignition took all weekend because of the need to run a extra wire though the suppressed ignition harness which is only designed to take one wire.
The good news is I got to understand the wiring though the suppression filter, and ballast resistor....all sealed in water proof housings etc.
The Stolly is not to bad to work on if you realise how to tackle the job.
The hard part is climbing up and down every time you need some thing, or fishing out the spanner you dropped in the goo in the hull.
The throttle linkage has been reset.
I suspect the stolly because of the good top access is much easier than its amoured cousins.

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 05:45 PM

New Parts I got from the UK
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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/895.jpg
I got some new engine oil filters, but I will be doing a spin on oil filter conversion to the original oil filter housing to save costs .

I think I can convert the gearbox and filter filter to spin on in time too.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/896.jpg

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 06:03 PM

I purchased 12 new tracta joint boot covers
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/891.jpg

and a spare disc brake caliper even thou there is nothing wrong with my brakes, as spare caliper seals are no longer advailible and having a spare makes it easier to get seals made if required.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/834.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/835.jpg

It should be noted the stalwarts were fitted with 4 pot hydraulic disc brakes in 1959 at the same time they became a option on high performance cars and it broke new ground to fit modern type disc brakes to a truck at that time.
They work extremely well and are a waste on something that only does 40 mph.

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 06:18 PM

Here is a view of the top of the distributor cap.....it bolts over the breaker plate and main housing of the dist which is made of brass.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/887.jpg

I dropped the tail gate for the first time and found more work.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/888.jpg

I found another little bracket on the tailgate.......I dont know what its for.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/889.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/890.jpg

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 06:33 PM

Over Xmas I was able to travel to brisbane and check out the other stolly in Aust like mine.
It was rust free compared to mine
It has all the CES and brackets as well as a full radio kit.
Mechanically it appears to be in about the same condition.........it is what I must work towards........mine you I did spot a small rust hole or two.
Its good just to see another stolly the same model and compare notes.
Queensland will not let the owner drive it on the road......which is a real shame.
I will get there and swim my stolly.......its only a matter of time.
My shopping list now is
Boiling vesel and power cable
CES and brackets
Crank handle
Radio gear
After driving the beast down the road today the noise in the cabin requires a headset.
On the wish list is inter wheel set drive disconnects.
I am happy the stolly is good enough to drive to the next local air show or ANZAC day etc, so I can show it off.
Finding someone to ride shot gun is not a problem and people just follow the thing around in there cars just trying to get another look at it , or to pull me over and ask what the hell it is.

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 06:52 PM

These are the old points backing plate which was removed for the electronic ignition.
It looks like I have two spare ignition points now for my B40 BSA.
It is worth noting the standard points gap is very small , so the slightest wear on the points caused problems and the fact that one set of points worked one set of 4 cylinders and the other another 4 cylinders and the points must therefore be timed exactly to one another.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/885.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/886.jpg
Now that I am going to drive the beast a bit , I will have to replace the maze of coolant hoses too.
Ron

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 07:21 PM

I have been doing research into the water jets used on the stalwart.
In 1959 when the stalwart MK1 was being designed and after the water jet idea was tested on prototypes of SARO-gill design.
Dowty had UK patents on the Hamilton Jet which itself was still in its early design stage and it was a little bit of a first to use the water jets on a amphibious vehicle , let alone swinging the jets on their sides for side entry of the water.
Mr Dowty had it all tested in his own dam at home.
The steering and reversing design was simple and slightly ahead of other jet designs of the time and done in house at Alvis.
Water jets for military is now a big market and the stalwart showed the way.

101 Ron

15th January 2012, 07:42 PM

One other thing I am learning about the stolly is its charactor.
One is the air compressor clanking........a little like the 101 landys charactor of a tailshaft rumble.
The other one is the back fire .
Mine does it only when the exhaust is red hot.
It is certain to do it after switching off the igniton and after about a minute ( about the time everyone is climbing down from the top of the cabin or just walking away from) a mightly big bang and flash from the exhaust pipes.......its enough to make you poo your pants and I do mean loud.
Its like if it does it on purpose....a mind of its own for a laugh??????
I think after turning off a hot running engine builds up unburn fuel in the exhaust system which takes a little time to boil off to vapour and ignite on the still red hot pipes.
I am running the stolly with no floor plates in place and therefore no though hull fan draught and that may be getting the manifold and pipes hotter than normal.

Sleepy

15th January 2012, 08:48 PM

Very impressive Ron, cant wait to see it running/swimming.:cool:

wagoo

16th January 2012, 11:17 AM

I purchased 12 new tracta joint boot covers
...

and a spare disc brake caliper even thou there is nothing wrong with my brakes, as spare caliper seals are no longer advailible and having a spare makes it easier to get seals made if required.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/834.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/835.jpg

It should be noted the stalwarts were fitted with 4 pot hydraulic disc brakes in 1959 at the same time they became a option on high performance cars and it broke new ground to fit modern type disc brakes to a truck at that time.
They work extremely well and are a waste on something that only does 40 mph.

Disc brakes are not really a waste on a vehicle that swims though.
Bill.

101 Ron

16th January 2012, 06:21 PM

It was play time after work today.
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101 Ron

16th January 2012, 06:23 PM

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101 Ron

16th January 2012, 06:24 PM

Another up and over

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101 Ron

16th January 2012, 06:25 PM

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101 Ron

16th January 2012, 06:28 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/811.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/812.jpg

sorry I couldnt find anything harder to test the stolly or a old car wreak to crush.
Ron

101 Ron

16th January 2012, 06:30 PM

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/811.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/812.jpg

Sorry I couldnt find anything harder to test the stolly or a old car wreak to crush.
The quailty is poor as it was a spur of a minute type thing with out a proper camera.
Ron

stuee

16th January 2012, 10:21 PM

Looks great! Can't imagine the thoughts of the passing motorists haha :D

wagoo

19th January 2012, 08:31 AM

If the stars were all in correct alignment and in dry conditions, I could just persuade my old 6x6x2+2 LandRover to clamber up and over a 3ft diameter log. Do you think Ron, due to the larger closely spaced wheels that your Stolly would be capable of clambering over say a 4ft diameter log?
When I was talking to another Stolly owner, actually the bloke who got your Stolly going in the UK and drove it to the docks, he said that he would try it and report back, but last I heard it was off the road for major renovations.
Bill.

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 03:42 PM

Wagoo you have me thinking now.
I just have not had the time with the vehicle on or off road to be certain.
I would guess the chances are good.
The grip the Stalwart supplies is good and the tyres only run 25 to 30 psi.(hard road)
The only problems I could see is the beveled nose hitting the log first and having to slide up the log before the front tyres grip and the other is the vehicle going over centre at the top of the log and crashing down.
The dirt ridges you see in the short vid look tame on the vid , but my 101 would only go over the first one and the one with the Polytec building in the back ground has a very very steep face on the side not seen by the camera and I know something like my 101 wouldnt climb it and go over the top.
The vid also hides how violet in the cabin it is the falling down of the front wheels and then the lifting of the rear wheels is.
The 1st gear seems low enough and the motor has a uniform spread of power over a wide rev range.
At this stage 2 things I feel would stop the Stalwart
1/ Soft mud.......having the thing with the wheels sunk in and the hull on top of the mud.
2/ Super steep hill where that short wheel base will concentrate drive on two wheels only and the vehicle may want to tip and the driver becomes chicken.

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 03:55 PM

Lotz-A-Landies

19th January 2012, 03:58 PM

Ron

Are you goung to be around on Sunday?

I was thinking of coming over and taking a look. Can also bring the Clansman intercom boxes down if you'd like.

Diana

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 04:10 PM

It is interesting to note how different vehicles look and act off road.
The stalwart due to its independant suspension appears to lift wheels every now and then off road.............but that suspension is long travel and the size of the vehicle and tyres makes things look different.

My studebaker flexing its guts out and the back axles are twisted on the stops.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/683.jpg

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In this the Stalwart is driving the same spot and the same angle and only just slightly lifts one rear wheel.

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101 Ron

19th January 2012, 04:34 PM

Ron

Are you goung to be around on Sunday?

I was thinking of coming over and taking a look. Can also bring the Clansman intercom boxes down if you'd like.

Diana

At this stage I will be at the farm, but will be around Saterday morning.
I will post pics of a clansman fitted in the stalwart in brisbane later tonight.
If I can find a jerry can of fuel at work I could take you for a run.(its a good climb to get in the cabin)
Not that much to look at currently as the vehicle has been stripped a fair bit and only enough is on it to drive it around.
The intercom boxes I could pick up from your folks place ????

Lotz-A-Landies

19th January 2012, 04:35 PM

That must be your favourite hillock Ron, I remember you taking me over it in the 101, seems much bigger IRL.

Or at least the Stolly makes it look like nothing.

Diana :)

Lotz-A-Landies

19th January 2012, 04:39 PM

At this stage I will be at the farm, but will be around Saterday morning.
I will post pics of a clansman fitted in the stalwart in brisbane later tonight.
If I can find a jerry can of fuel at work I could take you for a run.(its a good climb to get in the cabin)
Not that much to look at currently as the vehicle has been stripped a fair bit and only enough is on it to drive it around.
The intercom boxes I could pick up from your folks place ????If you'd like, theyre not doing anything at my place and I have nothing I want to fit them into, so you may as well have them for the Stolly. I'll see what headsets and harness cables I can spare.

Are any of the harness cables remaining in the truck?

BTW I won't be down till mid day Sunday, dads being discharged and coming home after 7 months in hospital.

You could always bring the stolly out to Worrigee and wade through our billabong or climb through our creek! :D

wagoo

19th January 2012, 04:42 PM

Wagoo if you know anything of the history of my stalwart please tell me.
What I do know it came from another dealer in the UK who purchased it from some else(a private owner)
It was fitted with a new fuel pump , new carby body and front brake hoses before it left the UK.
The UK rego I am told suggests the Brighton area ?
There is no clues to its service history so far.
my earlier posts on hours and time is incorrect .
The vehicle has just clocked over 300 miles which I now think is correct, but the hour meter is showing 1721 hrs which indicates alot of off road work or swimming for that mileage/hrs..........but most stalwarts were rarely swum in service.
Ron, about all I know is that Richard Watton from Dorset UK worked on your Stolly to get the engine running enough to drive it to the Docks for shipping. Richard owns a Stolly, a 101 and a Leyland Martian 6x6. I have lost his contact details but it may be possible to find him through say the 6 stud 101 club or other Military vehicle websites.I think he is fairly well known in ex Mil vehicle circles over there.I recall seeing a photo of him with his Stolly on one of the military vehicle sites a few years back. I last met him a few years ago when he flew over to buy the Camel Man from Alice Springs 101 and powered trailer and shipped it back to the UK.He was travelling with Nick Kaye, another well known collector over there, who I think actually bought the 101. So hopefully, armed with that information and a bit of internet detective work you might just be able to trace the history of your vehicle.
Bill.

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 08:01 PM

If you'd like, theyre not doing anything at my place and I have nothing I want to fit them into, so you may as well have them for the Stolly. I'll see what headsets and harness cables I can spare.

Are any of the harness cables remaining in the truck?

BTW I won't be down till mid day Sunday, dads being discharged and coming home after 7 months in hospital.

You could always bring the stolly out to Worrigee and wade through our billabong or climb through our creek! :D

Sorry to find out your dad has been crook.
I will take the Stalwart one day to your folks place to pick up the intercom gear !
Does that sound OK ?
All i have in the cabin is wiring and plug for a exturnal speaker connection for the out side of the truck.
On the LHS of the cabin there is a small electrical/power supply box for the radio and I havent at this stage looked at what sort of connection it has.
these 2 pics are of the brisbane stalwart with a clansman radio, I think it was a 135????? and it had aleast 2 head sets.
Picture quality is poor because I didnt have access to the cabin.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/676.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/677.jpg

Lotz-A-Landies

19th January 2012, 08:05 PM

Clansman 351 with selector unit RF (SURF) its a VHF set with similar frequency and power as the AN/PRC-77

Dad fell off a ladder when repairing the auger for a feed bid, injured his spine and is currently in a wheelchair most of the time, he's been in spinal rehab for over 6 months and my Mum living with me in Sydney.

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 08:05 PM

Looking at the above pics you can see the small box just the left of the radio, that is all I have........I guess its power supply.
The owner of that Stalwart tells me the clansman can be converted to 27 mhz ????
I will be needing one of those radios, but not now as i have no money and it is one of the last things I need to chase.

Lotz-A-Landies

19th January 2012, 08:21 PM

You may be better to get a Clansman 320,

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/675.jpg

which is an HF set that can already do 27MHz, the 351 would have to be modified to do 27MHz.

The box is likely a distribution box, you need a 28V (24V) supply for both the intercom harness and the 320 or 351/2.

I can have a look when I get a chance to look over what you have. The ANR harness I have can have 2 radios and the harness but usually you have it on intercom and monitor the radio in the other ear, to transmit you switch to the radio and use the same pressel/headset your already wearing.

The sets below are the large format radios, that I would have assumed were fitted to the Stolly, the 353 is roughly equivalent to AN/524-VRC VHF and Clansman 321 = AN/106 HF

http://www.armyradio.com/arsc/skin1/images/LR-RadDemo.jpg

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 08:42 PM

320 sounds good and the intercom/radio/headset fit up.(exactly what the stalwart needs.)
The power distribution box as seen, one spring loaded ariel(army type) and cable and a speaker on the out side of the truck with a lead that runs inside with a correct looking sort of socket on the end of it to fit on a radio is what I have
Where in the long term would be the best place to pic this radio up from and rough cost.
The head set / intercom is a must because this truck at road speeds is not quiet with fan roar and bevel box whine.

101 Ron

19th January 2012, 08:51 PM

I just checked EBay. (UK)
The radio is a bit pricey (for me) , but all the leads and bit and pieces seem to be cheap.
As you can gather I know very little about army radios.
Ron

101 Ron

22nd January 2012, 07:54 PM

Meet up with Lotz-A- Landies and bobslandies and took them for a spin.
It was hot and Diana was in the righthand cabin seat which I now know is not meant for serious use, so it was not a comfortable ride.
I experimented a little bit and slammed it down a bit hard over one lump of dirt.
The thing climbs OK off road, but is slow and noisey on road......still learning with this thing.
Ron

Lotz-A-Landies

22nd January 2012, 09:59 PM

Thanks Ron

One of the best, most fun rides I have had for a while! :D :banana:

Diana

easo

23rd January 2012, 07:38 PM

I just checked EBay. (UK)
The radio is a bit pricey (for me) , but all the leads and bit and pieces seem to be cheap.
As you can gather I know very little about army radios.
Ron

I recon the cabling can be the bugbear to sort out.

Easo

101 Ron

23rd January 2012, 08:39 PM

Army Radio Sales Co. (http://www.armyradio.com/arsc/customer/product.php?productid=2317&cat=124&page=1)
Army Radio Sales Co. - Home (http://www.armyradio.com/arsc/customer/home.php?cat=83)
Army Radio Sales Co. (http://www.armyradio.com/arsc/customer/product.php?productid=2252&cat=109&page=1)

Lotz-A-Landies

23rd January 2012, 09:47 PM

Ron

For the IB3 and three CB2 I left you will need harness cables such as these. Clansman Harness Cables Nos 10-11-12 eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/120765101472'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649) (this set will do the four boxes you have.

You also need this to power the IB3 CLANSMAN MILITARY RADIO/ANCILLARIES POWER FEED CABLE BN | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLANSMAN-MILITARY-RADIO-ANCILLARIES-POWER-FEED-CABLE-BN-/310343660797?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item4841ec74fd)
(and another for anything else like the loudspeaker amplifier box or DCCU for each radio)

You should have one of these to power your loudspeaker. CLANSMAN MILITARY L/ROVER AUDIO AMP FOR RADIO/HARNESS | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLANSMAN-MILITARY-L-ROVER-AUDIO-AMP-RADIO-HARNESS-/310319517782?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item48407c1056)

You also need a headset for each CB2 these are O.K but not ANR CLANSMAN MILITARY NEW VEHICLE HEADSETS WITH MIC FFR ETC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLANSMAN-MILITARY-NEW-VEHICLE-HEADSETS-MIC-FFR-ETC-/150693867366?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item23160def66)

And also a pressel (PTT) for each headset. CLANSMAN MILITARY MANPACK NEW PRESSEL BOX SWITCH & LEAD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLANSMAN-MILITARY-MANPACK-NEW-PRESSEL-BOX-SWITCH-LEAD-/310357887735?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item4842c58af7)

In regard to headsets and leads, it is best to buy new rather than used A or B grade Used, because I had a number of leads confiscated by AQIS when they arrived at the postal inspection centre.

Diana