All discussions relating to the Defenders end of production

[workingonit]

What...the new replacement...:D

[Pickles2]

Has anyone here placed an order for a Defender and been given a time frame for delivery?
Depends upon the "status" of your order.
If you order one to your specs, it would have to be built, & ya'd wanna hurry up if ya're gonna do that, because time is running out, but ya could be waiting up to six months for it to arrive in Aus.
If the Dealer already has an order in place for a vehicle that would suit you, which is already in transit, it could be any time, depending upon where it is.
But, like I said, if ya're gonna do it, do it now?
Pickles.

[tomatoes4all]

Was at the LR dealer today, they sold one yesterday to customer specs; so will need be built and expected delivery is late August.... The dealer commented they have not been given a next build slot yet, so might be coming to the end for Australian deliveries.
Cheers.

[Pickles2]

Was at the LR dealer today, they sold one yesterday to customer specs; so will need be built and expected delivery is late August.... The dealer commented they have not been given a next build slot yet, so might be coming to the end for Australian deliveries.
Cheers.
Yeah, well that's 6 months.
The risk is going to be that as we get closer to the date of production of the last Defender, which is of course the 20th December, the last minute rush for the last chance to buy a "NEW" Defender will create a substantial order bank which will eventually fill all of the production slots,....they can only build so many.
Pickles.

[tact]

They are unique cars only suitable to a very narrow niche market and unless your reason for buying one is a deep rooted love for Land Rovers, you are almost guaranteed to be "disappointed".

Lou

Heh :D I must be one of the rare ones who didn't buy out of a deep rooted love for Land Rovers and yet remains un-disappointed.

I had been driving hilux's for many years - in Oz, the Antarctic!, and Malaysia. The Hilux I bought new when I decided to put down roots in Malaysia was the first model with IFS. I didn't want IFS - I wanted to buy new though and that was all on offer, so took it.

20 mths ago when looking to buy new again I turned first, obviously, to the new hiluxes. But after a test drive I just couldn't stomach what they have become.

Ended up with the MY2013 110DC I have now and love it more every day. (Gotta thank my missus for the nudge towards defenders)

[LouisW]

I orderd my Defender in Sep meant to arrive Dec then jan then Feb then March then April ...the dealer and I found one about to land in the colour I wanted. Thank (who ever) this is a bolt off, bolt on, car / truck.....so I have exactly what I want. Except they need to re spray some cosmetic stuff. Get on buy one then make it your own, that is what makes this car/ truck exactly whatever when every, you want.

[Pickles2]

I orderd my Defender in Sep meant to arrive Dec then jan then Feb then March then April ...the dealer and I found one about to land in the colour I wanted. Thank (who ever) this is a bolt off, bolt on, car / truck.....so I have exactly what I want. Except they need to re spray some cosmetic stuff. Get on buy one then make it your own, that is what makes this car/ truck exactly whatever when every, you want.
Well that is excellent news.
What is the colour, model & spec of YOUR Defender?
"Respray cosmetic stuff"?..what does this mean?
Well done, Pickles.

[tonyf]

I ordered one in Sept last year, Jan 2015 build for delivery April/May. I probably won't take it now as I want a Heritage, so the one on order will become available. D90, corris grey, leather seats.

[LouisW]

Well that is excellent news.
What is the colour, model & spec of YOUR Defender?
"Respray cosmetic stuff"?..what does this mean?
Well done, Pickles.

Monci..what ever Red with Black roof. Now less the originally ordered Black Pack and Leather spec - so I now need to respray decals and the grill mounting (if that what it is called). Then I will add the Land rover Recaro Seats, Kahn aftermarket wheels, Leather Steering wheel and gear shifts, LED lights LED speaker head lights, checker plate, side steps, upgrades sound system, new mesh grill and intakes and spear wheel swing arm....and front bumper with descreat LED lights.

[Pickles2]

Monci..what ever Red with Black roof. Now less the originally ordered Black Pack and Leather spec - so I now need to respray decals and the grill mounting (if that what it is called). Then I will add the Land rover Recaro Seats, Kahn aftermarket wheels, Leather Steering wheel and gear shifts, LED lights LED speaker head lights, checker plate, side steps, upgrades sound system, new mesh grill and intakes and spear wheel swing arm....and front bumper with descreat LED lights.
Yes, I know that colour,.....VERY nice.
Ya'll have to keep us up to date with pics etc.
Good stuff, Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Just heard that Aussie Dealer allocations for Heritage & Adventure editions in 90 & 110 were released yesterday.
Don't have any firm details other than VERY VERY few are coming to Aus, & that most would have already been promised/sold to "those in the know"?
Does anyone have the details of what the REAL situation is with respect to exact numbers of which models etc?
Pickles.

[LouisW]

Just heard that Aussie Dealer allocations for Heritage & Adventure editions in 90 & 110 were released yesterday.
Don't have any firm details other than VERY VERY few are coming to Aus, & that most would have already been promised/sold to "those in the know"?
Does anyone have the details of what the REAL situation is with respect to exact numbers of which models etc?
Pickles.

Pickles I know you want one - Heritage!! - as I saw a photo (don't know where) of yours with the silver roof and you and your wife were in the photos - some photos shoot !

[Pickles2]

Naahh, Really, I don't want one, wouldn't mind seeing one though.
Lots of people in Aus are going to be disappointed as there simply won't be enough to go around.
Consequently I think that buyers will be just as happy if they order their "own" Defender now, optioned as they want it.
We're pretty happy with ours,......wouldn't mind the 150HP engine upgrade though,...be good if we could order this as an "option" via "your local Dealer"!
Pickles.

[LouisW]

I know many will think I am of my tree but I am contenplating buying a Keswick Green / White Roof / White steel rims (as this is more classic than the Special heritage one) and storing it for 20 years as Lou proposed.

It may just out perform the property market???

[Pickles2]

I know many will think I am of my tree but I am contenplating buying a Keswick Green / White Roof / White steel rims (as this is more classic than the Special heritage one) and storing it for 20 years as Lou proposed.

It may just out perform the property market???
Top idea, but make sure you get the H.D wheels (the ones with holes!),..a bit wider too!
Pickles.

[Wolfman_TWP]

I know many will think I am of my tree but I am contenplating buying a Keswick Green / White Roof / White steel rims (as this is more classic than the Special heritage one) and storing it for 20 years as Lou proposed.

It may just out perform the property market???

That's what I am getting.. (It's currently waiting for "Compliance"), I should have received it yesterday.. :dbcry:

Waiting .. Waiting..

Wolf

[YOLO110]

I know many will think I am of my tree but I am contenplating buying a Keswick Green / White Roof / White steel rims (as this is more classic than the Special heritage one) and storing it for 20 years as Lou proposed.

It may just out perform the property market???

That sounds brilliant mate!

Go for it! :)

[Tombie]

Only a few years ago classic Falcons, Monaros, GTS etc were pulling over 250k

Today they're back down below 80k.

[Tombie]

Proper analysis of the property market shows very few people turn a profit.

Being able to ride the waves of property fluctuations can pay off but the common misconception that houses increase in value is sporadic and very few actually return a big profit but rather are a storage for investment rather outright profit.

[DiscoMick]

Naahh, Really, I don't want one, wouldn't mind seeing one though.
Lots of people in Aus are going to be disappointed as there simply won't be enough to go around.
Consequently I think that buyers will be just as happy if they order their "own" Defender now, optioned as they want it.
We're pretty happy with ours,......wouldn't mind the 150HP engine upgrade though,...be good if we could order this as an "option" via "your local Dealer"!
Pickles.

We have a Steinbauer chip so a similar result maybe.

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[YOLO110]

Only a few years ago classic Falcons, Monaros, GTS etc were pulling over 250k

Today they're back down below 80k.

That is a HUGE drop! Why has this happened?

But at $250k, not really surprised... ;)

[JDNSW]

That is a HUGE drop! Why has this happened?

But at $250k, not really surprised... ;)

Changes in fashion, to put it bluntly. Same sort of thing happens all the time with any "antique", where the price is determined by a fixed supply (they aren't making them like that any more) and how many people want one.

John

[Willow4]

Hi all,

just a heads up for anyone interested in the two new 'limited edition' Defenders - the dealers are now taking orders for them.

I was talking to the sales manager at MLR yesterday, and they have been given their allocation. Two Heritage models (a 90 and a 110) and two Adventure models (again a 90 and a 110).

Australian prices have not yet been confirmed, and delivery is possibly around October (again - to be confirmed).

Not sure about all the dealers, but MLR are taking deposits subject to final price release (ie if you are not happy with the price when it is released, you can cancel the order and get your deposit back).

The Heritage 90 and Adventure 110 had already been 'taken'. So if anyone is interested, you had better get in quick and place your order.

cheers,

Wayne

PS: the Heritage 110 is also taken - I put my deposit down yesterday :D

[NatGreg]

I was able to place my order for a 110 Adventure back on the 18th of Jan, subject to final pricing.... We'll see what they come in at!

I might be auctioning off my place in the queue if they are too much.

[YOLO110]

I was able to place my order for a 110 Adventure back on the 18th of Jan, subject to final pricing.... We'll see what they come in at!

I might be auctioning off my place in the queue if they are too much.

I will be very interested to see the pricing...

My MY14 110 cost less here that the equivalent spec one in the UK...

The Heritage 90 edition is UK ?28.5k and at todays exchange rate, that is nearly $56,000... less import, customs and transport... I will be very interested to see what they will ask here? :)

Cheers, Pete :)

[LouisW]

This sounds very Manipulative, show us your intrest then we will tell you the price, it is a trick marketing/ estate agents play in the City on New developments. You Can't tell me Land Rover Solihull can't calculate the price today.

[Pickles2]

I will be very interested to see the pricing...

My MY14 110 cost less here that the equivalent spec one in the UK...

The Heritage 90 edition is UK ?28.5k and at todays exchange rate, that is nearly $56,000... less import, customs and transport... I will be very interested to see what they will ask here? :)

Cheers, Pete :)
I think We all will be?
Pickles.

[YOLO110]

This sounds very Manipulative, show us your intrest then we will tell you the price, it is a trick marketing/ estate agents play in the City on New developments. You Can't tell me Land Rover Solihull can't calculate the price today.

I don't think it's manipulative mate.

The UK ? GBP prices are already published on all versions. I guess given the volatility of the GBP to AUD exchange rate recently, with the AUD a lot weaker, that will make the car landed here more expensive... and build/delivery UK dates are in August/September so the AUD may be even weaker by then! :o

I guess it's also basic supply and demand... that will of course drive price for a very limited number in OZ.

I would personally be surprised to see the Heritage 90 4 seat wagon at less than $ 70k AUD given it is ? 31K GBP. Time will tell, but they will all get sold FAST, as they did in the UK... 2 days after 'release' they were all pre-ordered!

Cheers,

Pete :)

[frantic]

I don't think it's manipulative mate.

The UK ? GBP prices are already published on all versions. I guess given the volatility of the GBP to AUD exchange rate recently, with the AUD a lot weaker, that will make the car landed here more expensive... and build/delivery UK dates are in August/September so the AUD may be even weaker by then! :o

I guess it's also basic supply and demand... that will of course drive price for a very limited number in OZ.

I would personally be surprised to see the Heritage 90 4 seat wagon at less than $ 70k AUD given it is ? 31K GBP. Time will tell, but they will all get sold FAST, as they did in the UK... 2 days after 'release' they were all pre-ordered!

Cheers,

Pete :)
Actually it is a bit of a scam as most large import export companies will fix part, if not most of their currency rates for 6-12 months so their stock is not changing prices weekly. This especially applies to cars as the local division will be given a set order ,which is even more relevant to a limited edition, in which case you know the numbers exactly. This is so they can say let's fix the price to December on 80-100% of the numbers from last year, but do an increase in June if they are selling over that and then average the exchange difference across the whole stock if we sell more.

[Pickles2]

Actually it is a bit of a scam as most large import export companies will fix part, if not most of their currency rates for 6-12 months so their stock is not changing prices weekly. This especially applies to cars as the local division will be given a set order ,which is even more relevant to a limited edition, in which case you know the numbers exactly. This is so they can say let's fix the price to December on 80-100% of the numbers from last year, but do an increase in June if they are selling over that and then average the exchange difference across the whole stock if we sell more.
Yes, when we were waiting for our 90 during the second half of '13, we were told the same thing about pricing.
But Celebration models, whilst the exchange scenario is the same, I don't know about "pricing". From what I've seen on here & the Def 11 forum, most orders for these models have been made with no idea of pricing.
So, particularly in Aus, where there will be so few, I don't know whether Dealers will be able to "ramp up" the pricing to whatever they want, or be TOLD by JLR what to sell for. I believe that (within reason) it will be the latter, but that Dealers will simply & easily be able to get full RRP. I suppose prior to this stage of the sale process, JLR will have "inserted" their "Fair Cop/Margin" too?
Pickles.

[Avion8]

One thing I do know is that the Main Event on road cost discounts do not apply even though ordered before end of Feb!:(

[LouisW]

I don't think it's manipulative mate.

The UK ? GBP prices are already published on all versions. I guess given the volatility of the GBP to AUD exchange rate recently, with the AUD a lot weaker, that will make the car landed here more expensive... and build/delivery UK dates are in August/September so the AUD may be even weaker by then! :o

I guess it's also basic supply and demand... that will of course drive price for a very limited number in OZ.

I would personally be surprised to see the Heritage 90 4 seat wagon at less than $ 70k AUD given it is ? 31K GBP. Time will tell, but they will all get sold FAST, as they did in the UK... 2 days after 'release' they were all pre-ordered!

Cheers,

Pete :)

Peter I disagree mate. They hedge and ride the currency. And price the product according to the market. Yes exchange rate movement does have and impact but from my understanding they ride the edd and flow and set prices over a 24 month period and take both local market and currency fluctuation / hedging into account. Basically from my understanding it's a marketing decision not so much as short term currency call.

[Pickles2]

Spoke to my Dealer today.
Not very happy with the "meagre" allocation of Celebration Editions.
I would be interested to know what the total number of these allocated to Aus will be, but when we finally know the numbers, Heritage & Adventure, I believe it will be so small that ya'd be lucky to see one on the road?
No-one has anything more specific?
Pickles.

[Oldfart]

I have placed an order for an Heritage 110 and paid a deposit. I am told I am definitely a "goer" for delivery in October.

I am now told by the dealer that the Heritage edition will only come as a 90. The 110 version will be the Adventure edition only. I am really not sure about the orange version however there are apparently two other colours but there is no information about what these might be.

I gather that the information from LR is very sketchy at the moment and it is all a work in progress. It seems definite however that the numbers will be very limited

[Willow4]

I have placed an order for an Heritage 110 and paid a deposit. I am told I am definitely a "goer" for delivery in October.

I am now told by the dealer that the Heritage edition will only come as a 90. The 110 version will be the Adventure edition only. I am really not sure about the orange version however there are apparently two other colours but there is no information about what these might be.

I gather that the information from LR is very sketchy at the moment and it is all a work in progress. It seems definite however that the numbers will be very limited

Hi Oldfart,

Your comment above worried me as I have also placed an order for a Heritage 110. And looking on the web and through the Australian Brochure on the 'Celebration Models' they only show a Heritage 90.

So I just contacted my dealer and he confirmed that the Heritage can be ordered in both the 90 and 110 spec. All his paperwork from LR shows that both the Heritage and Adventure can be ordered as a 90 or 110.

I'm hoping he is right !

[Oldfart]

Hi Willow4


Yes Indeed. It was confirmed by the dealer yesterday that there is both 90 and 110 versions. I too was very worried


Really looking forward to this. Now what to do with the MY10 110?

[Willow4]

For anyone who is interested, looks like the three colours for the Adventure range are:

1. Corris Grey with Ebony/Pimento Premium Windsor leather
2. Yulong White (metallic) with Ebony Windsor leather
3. Phoenix Orange with Ebony Windsor leather

[DiscoMick]

LRO March issue now on sale with a piece about the three last Defenders pages 18-21confirms the Heritage and Adventure are both 90 and 110 while the Autobiography is a 90.

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[jc109]

I don't know how I managed it, but I only noticed this new Heritage Edition yesterday and I fear I might have missed the boat.

I don't suppose anyone knows where I might find a 90 still up for grabs (and be willing to share that with the world)?

I've tried a few dealers but no joy so far. Be that no stock available or no time to bother returning my phone call...

[Pickles2]

I don't know how I managed it, but I only noticed this new Heritage Edition yesterday and I fear I might have missed the boat.

I don't suppose anyone knows where I might find a 90 still up for grabs (and be willing to share that with the world)?

I've tried a few dealers but no joy so far. Be that no stock available or no time to bother returning my phone call...
VERY sparce info on these, even Dealers do not have a definitive answer.
However, I believe that if one put in an order now, ya'd have virtually no chance, but of course, see how ya go, &...GOOD LUCK.
Pickles.

[dfendr]

Over here some dealers are putting people on a waiting list in case people cancel their orders
There is a rumour that they are going to be very expensive

[AndyG]

I don't know how I managed it, but I only noticed this new Heritage Edition yesterday and I fear I might have missed the boat.

I don't suppose anyone knows where I might find a 90 still up for grabs (and be willing to share that with the world)?

I've tried a few dealers but no joy so far. Be that no stock available or no time to bother returning my phone call...

LouisW is driving a dealer 90, silver pack, in show me your defender
Sorry, misread your post

[scarry]

Over here some dealers are putting people on a waiting list in case people cancel their orders
There is a rumour that they are going to be very expensive

Same here,but to be on the list you need to pay a deposit.

[Mules]

I don't know how I managed it, but I only noticed this new Heritage Edition yesterday and I fear I might have missed the boat.

I don't suppose anyone knows where I might find a 90 still up for grabs (and be willing to share that with the world)?

I've tried a few dealers but no joy so far. Be that no stock available or no time to bother returning my phone call...

There's a silver (darker) 90 sitting at Townsville Land Rover last time I checked (couple of weeks ago), as well as a Keswick Green 110. Could be worth a shot if you're keen?

[jc109]

Thanks guys, and to clarify, it's the Heritage Edition 90 that I was chasing. I'm comfortable that I have a few more months to order a regular 90.

So, none of the dealers I've spoken with have anything available and none can give a hint at a price with the exception of one. Indications are 90 to 100k!!! I really hope he has his wires crossed.

[YOLO110]

Heritage 90 for $90 to $100k!!!

They are circa ?31k in the UK... thats about $61k AUD!

I am sure he has his wires crossed mate! :confused:

[Tombie]

The Adventure potentially is $90k

[jc109]

Heritage 90 for $90 to $100k!!!

They are circa ?31k in the UK... thats about $61k AUD!

I am sure he has his wires crossed mate! :confused:

You've gotta hope so! Mind you, if that's what LRA are aiming at then it'll make it easier for me to settle for a run-o'-the-mill 90 instead.

I should add that if this goes ahead it will be for my wife, who made the mistake of telling me last week that she thought "we should trade the Subaru for a new shortie".... I was on the phone to dealers within the hour.

[scarry]

The Adventure potentially is $90k

Oh well,us poorer ones with the 2.7 won't be able to afford one;):D

[DiscoMick]

No way I'd pay $90k for one which was normally around $50k. You know it would only be worth half that three years later, so why would you throw the extra money away? Better to order a standard model with extras.

[scarry]

And after a few years,there will be heaps of copies around..

Agree,not worth that much extra coin.

[YOLO110]

Amazing!

Called by my local dealer today for a chat... there were 4 brand new Defenders in the workshop all having their PDI done!

1 x 90 :cool:
2 x 110, one with a very nice back pack on Fuji White :cool: :cool:
1 x 130 HCPU loaded with extras! :cool: :cool: :cool:

Apparently there was a big Australia Day sale where these were all sold! The dealer said they cannot accept any more orders into Australia... OMG! Can that really be the case? :(

I am really pleased I managed to get mine... would feel gutted to have missed out!...

Cheers, Pete :)

[Pickles2]

Np more orders, I don't think that's true,...at this stage.
Pickles.

[scarry]

Heard a rumour that production will end at the end of this year,which means there will be MY16.

It is Jan 1st that the new safety regs come into force in many European countries,which means it cannot be sold in these markets,which includes UK.

But who knows,there may not be enough for all the export markets.

The local dealer here has no idea what is going on.

Maybe at the moment they are selling more world wide than they ever have,so LR have no idea how things are going to go in the near future with current sales,production,etc.

[YOLO110]

Not sure..

BUT, as a business, one would assume they have a plan in place! And that would include the end of production UK date as being in Dec 2015...

Also tied to this by all the new regs that the current Defender manafactured in the UK (EU) is now unable to meet.

Who knows indeed!

[Pickles2]

Heard a rumour that production will end at the end of this year,which means there will be MY16.

It is Jan 1st that the new safety regs come into force in many European countries,which means it cannot be sold in these markets,which includes UK.

But who knows,there may not be enough for all the export markets.

The local dealer here has no idea what is going on.

Maybe at the moment they are selling more world wide than they ever have,so LR have no idea how things are going to go in the near future with current sales,production,etc.
Plenty of stuff about this on the Forum.
Anyway, production of Defender WILL end on 20th December 2015.
Certain Defenders are already no longer available in Aus, but "ordinary" 90s & 110s etc are still available,....at the moment, but there will shortly come a time when they will not. There are only so many production "slots" available until 20/12, so when they are filled,....there will be no more.
Pickles.

[LouisW]

Now I am sure we all like confirming to one another how popular the 2015 Def has become and that values will RISE!! (or NOT according to some of us)

However I spoke to my dealer today apparently some chap and his brother walked in a week ago or so and bought 4 x 110 on the spot (the sales manager thought the two brother were having them on)

The salesman told me if he had 4 on the floor he would sell them in a week or so. Apparently demand is at the brink of exceeding supply. either way sales have increased significantly.

[goingbush]

Have they made the Defenders EU6 compliant ?? , as of 2015 in Europe its illegal to sell anything that does not comply with Euro6

they have pulled the Iveco Daily 4x4 from EU markets because they have not worked out how to fit the SCR as well as the DPF into the exhaust with limited space under the 4x4, which is why we are seeing more come to AU (EU4) and South Africa (EU3)

perhaps the volume of whats left of the Defender is heading down here ??

[Pickles2]

I believe UK is V & we are IV....our Defs do not have DPF.
Pickles

[Wolfman_TWP]

I believe UK is V & we are IV....our Defs do not have DPF. Pickles
Are you referring to a "Diesel Particulate Filter" (DPF)?? If you are, my new defender has one.. As it's stated in my owners handbook (page 70).

Wolf

[Tombie]

Are you referring to a "Diesel Particulate Filter" (DPF)?? If you are, my new defender has one.. As it's stated in my owners handbook (page 70).

Wolf


It may or may not, but the handbook is global.

[Wolfman_TWP]

It may or may not, but the handbook is global.
Ok.. I guess I will find out if it does or not, in about 300-900kms. A light on the dash should light up indicating that the filter requires regeneration.. (I have only done 250k so far) It is supposed to do that at 300-900k intervals..

Wolf

[Pickles2]

I'm pretty sure you ain't got no DPF.
Have a look where the DPF would be. There is a bolt in the top of the housing. If there's a wire coming off the bolt you have one, if not, you do not.
IMHO, I say you don't,...I say no Aussie Defender does.
Pickles.

[Wolfman_TWP]

I'm pretty sure you ain't got no DPF. Have a look where the DPF would be. There is a bolt in the top of the housing. If there's a wire coming off the bolt you have one, if not, you do not. IMHO, I say you don't,...I say no Aussie Defender does. Pickles.

Where is it located, and I will have a look??

Which housing are you referring to??

Wolf

[aj90]

Had an email from the dealer this morning (I paid a deposit a while ago for a Heritage 90) and he says they have received their allocation & will be in touch soon. Hopefully that means to tell me whether I'm getting one :confused: and also prices. If its too exy then I may have to decline the purchase and go to plan B - what ever that is...

[YOLO110]

Good luck!

As has already been mentioned, it is quite 'odd' that prices here are not being revealed!

In the UK, the Heritage 90 SW is about ?4k more than a 'standard' 90 SW... $ 8,000!

In OZ, a standard 90 SW is about $ 48k. So by a process of deduction, one would thing the Heritage 90 here would be circa $ 56k...

Will wait and see I guess! [bigwhistle]

[Pickles2]

Where is it located, and I will have a look??

Which housing are you referring to??

Wolf
I can't get to our Defender at the moment.
But the "housing" is easy to find. If you have a Defender brochure, you'll see a picture of the engine & accessories, & just after the exhaust leaves the engine you'll see a big "cylinder", which is what the DPF resides in, if ya've got one. Have a look at it, & ya'll see a bolt in the side of it,...if ya've got a wire attached to the bolt you'll have a DPF, but IMHO, ya won't. My Service Manager told me he'd never seen a DPF on an Aussie Defender.
Pickles.

[Wolfman_TWP]

I can't get to our Defender at the moment.
But the "housing" is easy to find. If you have a Defender brochure, you'll see a picture of the engine & accessories, & just after the exhaust leaves the engine you'll see a big "cylinder", which is what the DPF resides in, if ya've got one. Have a look at it, & ya'll see a bolt in the side of it,...if ya've got a wire attached to the bolt you'll have a DPF, but IMHO, ya won't. My Service Manager told me he'd never seen a DPF on an Aussie Defender.
Pickles.

Ok, Thanks I will check it out.. (There's always a first time :o)

Wolf

[Wolfman_TWP]

I can't get to our Defender at the moment. But the "housing" is easy to find. If you have a Defender brochure, you'll see a picture of the engine & accessories, & just after the exhaust leaves the engine you'll see a big "cylinder", which is what the DPF resides in, if ya've got one. Have a look at it, & ya'll see a bolt in the side of it,...if ya've got a wire attached to the bolt you'll have a DPF, but IMHO, ya won't. My Service Manager told me he'd never seen a DPF on an Aussie Defender. Pickles.

Just checked a little while ago when I got home. It's hard to see and photograph. When you see these photos attached, you see a cylinder just below the big silver thing (Possibly the Turbo ??) .. Shown in the third photo, you see the cylinder, just behind that on the lower left there is a connector with wiring on it (Very hard to see if it's a bolt, can't see that far in that area. (So much stuff in these cars)). Last photo of the whole engine bay. (Also note that this is all on the drivers side)

Wolf

[ozscott]

Have they upgraded the diffs to go with the Autobiography power upgrade...bet they haven't

Cheers

[tentacles1]

Had an email from the dealer this morning (I paid a deposit a while ago for a Heritage 90) and he says they have received their allocation & will be in touch soon. Hopefully that means to tell me whether I'm getting one :confused: and also prices. If its too exy then I may have to decline the purchase and go to plan B - what ever that is...

I'm in the same boat as you, got an allocation for a Heritage 90 but will pull out if they price them too high.

[Pickles2]

I'm in the same boat as you, got an allocation for a Heritage 90 but will pull out if they price them too high.
Yes, the price will be interesting, but it's for sure you won't get into trouble there, if you decide it's not for you, as I understand it, Australia has been massively under supplied.
Pickles.

[Avion8]

Yes, the price will be interesting, but it's for sure you won't get into trouble there, if you decide it's not for you, as I understand it, Australia has been massively under supplied.
Pickles.

I think you are correct Pickles, as my dealer congratulated me this past week on being one of less than five owners in the state! So don't know what happened to the 5 per dealer? Seems like 5 per state.

[aj90]

Dealer just phoned to say that they were only allocated 3 Heritage models (Brisbane), 2 x 110 & 1 x 90. The lucky person who got the 90 apparently ordered over a year ago (who knew then??) :mad: There may still be an adventure 110 available but for me not interested.
So to plan B whatever that is. Very disappointed. Very very disappointed :(
Well it is Monday.

[Pickles2]

Dealer just phoned to say that they were only allocated 3 Heritage models (Brisbane), 2 x 110 & 1 x 90. The lucky person who got the 90 apparently ordered over a year ago (who knew then??) :mad: There may still be an adventure 110 available but for me not interested.
So to plan B whatever that is. Very disappointed. Very very disappointed :(
Well it is Monday.
No need to be (disappointed) at all.
Get your '15 Defender brochure out, the colour will be Keswick with a white roof, and spec it up the way YOU want it. It will be MUCH cheaper, it will be YOUR specs, YOUR Defender, and there will not be another one like it,...and you will also have one of the last,....do it NOW, before it's too late?
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

Yep latest Land Rover Owner International says June 26 is absolutely last date for ordering a Defender as the wait is 6 months - and that's in England - and production slots are filling rapidly so order to exactly your specifications and enjoy it.

[AndyG]

Dealer just phoned to say that they were only allocated 3 Heritage models (Brisbane), 2 x 110 & 1 x 90. The lucky person who got the 90 apparently ordered over a year ago (who knew then??) :mad: There may still be an adventure 110 available but for me not interested.
So to plan B whatever that is. Very disappointed. Very very disappointed :(
Well it is Monday.

My Dealer mentioned Heritage a year ago, then clammed up when I got interested, so it was around.

[DiscoMick]

My Dealer mentioned Heritage a year ago, then clammed up when I got interested, so it was around.


Aren't the Heritage and the other final specials just particular combinations of features and options which have long been available?


If the wait is 6 months from ordering then that means current orders are for September production slots, I think.

[Pickles2]

Aren't the Heritage and the other final specials just particular combinations of features and options which have long been available?


If the wait is 6 months from ordering then that means current orders are for September production slots, I think.
Colour schemes & trim are different for "Celebration" models, as well as 150HP in the "90" editions.
As far as ordering is concerned, well I reckon as the days go by, production spaces will be tighter & tighter, so who knows when the dreaded reply will be,.."Sorry, can't do it"?
Pickles.

[Avion8]

Aren't the Heritage and the other final specials just particular combinations of features and options which have long been available?


If the wait is 6 months from ordering then that means current orders are for September production slots, I think.

Below are some extracts from the brochure, non of which are available options as far as I know:
Grasmere Green Heritage metallic paint.
Heritage front grille.
Aluminium badge details to both the front and rear.
Body coloured Heavy Duty Steel wheels.
HUE seat tags to the Almond cloth seats.

The wait is longer than 6 months as I am told mine will deliver in October/November, so maybe production won't start until August. Probably the last new car I will ever require, unless the New Defender is really, really good.

[DiscoMick]

Below are some extracts from the brochure, non of which are available options as far as I know:
Grasmere Green Heritage metallic paint.
Heritage front grille.
Aluminium badge details to both the front and rear.
Body coloured Heavy Duty Steel wheels.
HUE seat tags to the Almond cloth seats.

The wait is longer than 6 months as I am told mine will deliver in October/November, so maybe production won't start until August. Probably the last new car I will ever require, unless the New Defender is really, really good.


Thanks for that. Doesn't sound much that's very special. I wouldn't pay a lot of extra money just to get those frills. Rather spend the money on practical and useful stuff.


It's an English magazine so I assume the 6 months is for English customers and foreign orders would have to be taken earlier to get a production slot before the finish in December.

[aj90]

Since hearing that I didn't get an allocation for a Heritage 90, yesterday I put an order in for a regular 90 - I have been told that it should be a June build & Aug / Sept delivery. Will see if I get this one!

[AndyG]

Since hearing that I didn't get an allocation for a Heritage 90, yesterday I put an order in for a regular 90 - I have been told that it should be a June build & Aug / Sept delivery. Will see if I get this one!

Well done !, now im just planning a trip to the Birdsville area at the start of Oct from BNE, could be the perfect shakedown trip :) I did it last year but i rushed too much.

[YOLO110]

Since hearing that I didn't get an allocation for a Heritage 90, yesterday I put an order in for a regular 90 - I have been told that it should be a June build & Aug / Sept delivery. Will see if I get this one!

Great stuff! :D

What colour/spec/extra's did you go for then! :)

[aj90]

Great stuff! :D

What colour/spec/extra's did you go for then! :)
Went for a standard spec 90 with a tow bar, that's about it. Will add economically priced goodies once I've got it. Keswick Green with standard white roof - with no cost option HD steel wheels :)

[YOLO110]

Went for a standard spec 90 with a tow bar, that's about it. Will add economically priced goodies once I've got it. Keswick Green with standard white roof - with no cost option HD steel wheels :)

Perfect!

The End! :cool:

[MrLandy]

Well done aj90.

Absolutely perfect! Agreed.

The perfect end to the end of production.

[dfendr]

I was at my local Dealers this afternoon and he said there may be a second allocation of limited edition Defenders

[YOLO110]

I was at my local Dealers this afternoon and he said there may be a second allocation of limited edition Defenders

Nothing like a 'second allocation of a LIMITED edition to test the marketing guys knowledge of what words mean eh! :censored:

If that is the case, I am sure there will be a flood of cancelled orders! :angel:

[Landybitz]

I see the final editions are V8 90's......

Wonder if there will be a final final edition.......

Our 90 should be mid August too,

Barolo Metallic Paint

Mud Flaps Front

Body Colour Wheel Arches

Body Colour Roof

Cold Pack

Dual Finish Alloy Wheels ? Cont. AT ( Changing to Saws or Kahn )

Raised Air Intake

Landybitz Side Steps

Landybitz Cheque Plate Wings Only

Shadow rear corners

Hannibal Roof Rack

Load Liner

Window Tint

Towbar

Escape Seat Covers

NAS Lights

That will do for a bit.

[Pickles2]

"Final Edition V8 90s"?
Pickles.

[Landybitz]

Yep thats what I read.

[AndyG]

I dont know how to do a poll,
But it's 2018 and you have read all about the new Defender model, you have the money & the desire:

Do you order the first one off the boat
Do you wait 6 months for the recall notice
Do you wait 2 years to be more cautious
Do wait 60 years, because that's how long it took last time :wasntme: to get it right.

[Pickles2]

Yep thats what I read.
Well, ya read it hear first,..."It ain't gonna happen".
However, plenty wish that it would!!
Pickles.

[loneranger]

I dont know how to do a poll,
But it's 2018 and you have read all about the new Defender model, you have the money & the desire:

Do you order the first one off the boat
Do you wait 6 months for the recall notice
Do you wait 2 years to be more cautious
Do wait 60 years, because that's how long it took last time :wasntme: to get it right.

I'll be going to have a look but no intention of buying for at least 20 years as we've got the cars we want. However if I was buying I would be wanting to wait for at least the second series for some of the initial bugs to be ironed out.

[Drover]

Well here it is images just released by Twistered in the UK of the 2018 Defender apparently "by the experts at Land Rover"

Further detail on the U.K.'s Auto Express.

Is it actually the New Defender...... Only time will tell

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/04/541.jpg (http://s756.photobucket.com/user/sup_allie/media/5BFB0913-544D-4A97-BDA0-1B90D5AE2C15_zpsi38ik5ce.png.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/04/542.jpg (http://s756.photobucket.com/user/sup_allie/media/BD5FB7F0-A3CB-413F-AB20-0D918A3418DD_zpsfduvqgvm.png.html)

[p38arover]

Yeccchh

Where is the vomit emoticon?

[cafe latte]

Shudder!!! I need to buy an old one quick!!! Hmmm maybe that is Land Rovers plan, scare us with these pics to boost sales of the old one..
Chris

[Pickles2]

IMHO, simply more unfounded rubbish, just someone's "idea".
Pickles.

[AussieAub]

No it isn't, if you you read the article the photos came from it says
Our exclusive images show how a long-wheelbase five-door model and a sportier three-door could look

Land Rover have still not published any official photos.

Original article: New Land Rover Defender DC100 concept revealed | News | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/19933/new-land-rover-defender-plans-large-family-for-2018)

[TheYeti]

It's going to need a different section on the aulro forum 'over in the corner somewhere' it could end up looking a lot different to that. I hope so. I wouldn't buy it! think me and my current defender are going to grow old together.

[DiscoMick]

They've just stuck the current LR corporate grille look onto DC100 and similar body styles shown previously.
Personally, I think it looks fine. Looks aren't the main thing for me with the next Defender. I want to know if it is a real 'work' truck or just a weekend toy like Jeep Wranglers.

[PAT303]

I love the replies on that link,if I was Land Rover I'd release more official photo's of a disco sport with defender badges on it just to stir up the chest beaters. Pat

[Pickles2]

No it isn't, if you you read the article the photos came from it says

Land Rover have still not published any official photos.

Original article: New Land Rover Defender DC100 concept revealed | News | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/19933/new-land-rover-defender-plans-large-family-for-2018)
"LandRover Still Have Not",......Quite right, and until that happens, it's all simply myth & hearsay.
Jeez, I'm as anxious as anyone to have even a sniff of what it's going to be like, but I don't, & neither does anyone else except the hallowed few inside JLR,....and maybe they don't even know yet. If they do, it's the World's best kept secret.
But I'm waiting, Pickles.

[YOLO110]

Seen worse!

Yes it's a sad day approaching that the current Defender will soon be no more. This final year has been one of the very best ever in sales. But things move on in life and JLR must respond to legislation and also the call of the market if it wants to continue to survive.

I think this forced by legislation evolution, is a great opportunity for JLR to make real headway in the Australian market with the new evolution of the Defender. We all own them in OZ, but we are a tiny minority compared with the swathes of Asian 4WD's out there, all of which are obviously more appealing to the market than our 'ancient' design! Wouldn't it great if the 'new' Defender was a real 'hit' here and we saw a whole new market emerging with the new Defenders offering some positive alternative!

I am sure that the new vehicle will be pretty neat 'in the flesh' and there will be some good DNA that is retained. I am certain it will offer something different from the Discovery etc that will actually be seen as a very capable and sought after vehicle.

[DiscoMick]

I read somewhere that the key word LR has adopted to describe the new Defender is 'durable'. That sounds pretty good to me.

[jimr1]

For me I made the biggest financial decision next to buying a house . That was to order a new Defender 110 . It is something I gave a lot of thought about . Thinking if the replacement is a world beater , and starts selling in the numbers that Land Rover are expecting . The Defender may well drop off the map . Then I thought at my age what does It matter , if It lasts me 10 years I will be well into my 70s . My next vehicle after that will probably be a mobility scooter !!.. Jim :D:D

[Dopey]

For me I made the biggest financial decision next to buying a house . That was to order a new Defender 110 . It is something I gave a lot of thought about . Thinking if the replacement is a world beater , and starts selling in the numbers that Land Rover are expecting . The Defender may well drop off the map . Then I thought at my age what does It matter , if It lasts me 10 years I will be well into my 70s . My next vehicle after that will probably be a mobility scooter !!.. Jim :D:D

Jimr1, you can get in the UK a hand built Land Rover (or jeep) mobility scooter.....

Disability vehicles kitted out to look like Land Rovers and Harley-Davidsons and are even appearing in new Robbie Williams video | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336173/Disability-vehicles-kitted-look-like-Land-Rovers-Harley-Davidsons-appearing-new-Robbie-Williams-video.html)

Regards,
Mike.

[jimr1]

Jimr1, you can get in the UK a hand built Land Rover (or jeep) mobility scooter.....

Disability vehicles kitted out to look like Land Rovers and Harley-Davidsons and are even appearing in new Robbie Williams video | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336173/Disability-vehicles-kitted-look-like-Land-Rovers-Harley-Davidsons-appearing-new-Robbie-Williams-video.html)

Regards,
Mike.
Thanks Mike I do like that post , The misses found It funny as well . Funny enough my grandfather came from Whitley Bay !!.. Jim

[Dopey]

Jim, if you've got the time and skills, you could make your own Landy mobility scooter....

Toylander (http://www.ted-offroad.com/Toylander)

Mike.

[cafe latte]

I am test driving a Puma hopefully later this week (if they arrive). My current cars are over 30 years old and I am 43. In 35 years time I will be closing on 80 so I am not worried if the new defender is good or not :D
Chris

[Didge]

Seen worse!

Yes it's a sad day ........... Wouldn't it great if the 'new' Defender was a real 'hit' here and we saw a whole new market emerging with the new Defenders offering some positive alternative!

..........

I'm not so sure about that one YOLO - will the new Defender drivers just be Nissan and Toymota migrants who've jumped ship??? True LR devotees could be swallowed up by the hysteria of the newly converted masses. I know JLR have to do something to keep the utilitarian Defender style model viable or see it die but I kinda like having something different to the run of the mill motors out there and I like it when those tossers are amazed the 'old girl' is still going and goes further than them - if they could just fix the leaks - both water and oil !
just my two bobs worth :D

[Newydiver84]

New Land Rover Defender DC100 concept revealed | News | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/19933/new-land-rover-defender-plans-large-family-for-2018)

[Landybitz]

Same Mudflaps mind:D

[PAT303]

I'm not so sure about that one YOLO - will the new Defender drivers just be Nissan and Toymota migrants who've jumped ship??? True LR devotees could be swallowed up by the hysteria of the newly converted masses. I know JLR have to do something to keep the utilitarian Defender style model viable or see it die but I kinda like having something different to the run of the mill motors out there and I like it when those tossers are amazed the 'old girl' is still going and goes further than them - if they could just fix the leaks - both water and oil !
just my two bobs worth :D

Thats my worry,there's no way I could put up with Wayno and Shazza moving over from 4wd wankion to here. Pat

[YOLO110]

I'm not so sure about that one YOLO - will the new Defender drivers just be Nissan and Toymota migrants who've jumped ship??? True LR devotees could be swallowed up by the hysteria of the newly converted masses. I know JLR have to do something to keep the utilitarian Defender style model viable or see it die but I kinda like having something different to the run of the mill motors out there and I like it when those tossers are amazed the 'old girl' is still going and goes further than them - if they could just fix the leaks - both water and oil !
just my two bobs worth :D

Yes mate, a good point! ;)

Kinda cool being in a learned minority eh!
:D

[YOLO110]

I'm not so sure about that one YOLO - will the new Defender drivers just be Nissan and Toymota migrants who've jumped ship??? True LR devotees could be swallowed up by the hysteria of the newly converted masses. I know JLR have to do something to keep the utilitarian Defender style model viable or see it die but I kinda like having something different to the run of the mill motors out there and I like it when those tossers are amazed the 'old girl' is still going and goes further than them - if they could just fix the leaks - both water and oil !
just my two bobs worth :D

Yes mate, a good point! ;)

Kinda cool being in a learned minority eh! :D

[DiscoMick]

Thats my worry,there's no way I could put up with Wayno and Shazza moving over from 4wd wankion to here. Pat



Interesting thought. That's assuming Wayne and Shazza are not already here...

[Landybitz]

I'm not so sure about that one YOLO - will the new Defender drivers just be Nissan and Toymota migrants who've jumped ship??? True LR devotees could be swallowed up by the hysteria of the newly converted masses. I know JLR have to do something to keep the utilitarian Defender style model viable or see it die but I kinda like having something different to the run of the mill motors out there and I like it when those tossers are amazed the 'old girl' is still going and goes further than them - if they could just fix the leaks - both water and oil !
just my two bobs worth :D

I would say if Land Rover don't aim for the Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Ford etc driver, then theres no point at all in making a new Defender, hardly going to keep the factory open selling to enthusiasts.

[Graz]

Jimr1, you can get in the UK a hand built Land Rover (or jeep) mobility scooter.....

Disability vehicles kitted out to look like Land Rovers and Harley-Davidsons and are even appearing in new Robbie Williams video | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336173/Disability-vehicles-kitted-look-like-Land-Rovers-Harley-Davidsons-appearing-new-Robbie-Williams-video.html)

Regards,
Mike.

If showed up home with one of these the Missus would have me committed!!!:D:D

[Didge]

I would say if Land Rover don't aim for the Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Ford etc driver, then theres no point at all in making a new Defender, hardly going to keep the factory open selling to enthusiasts.

Yeah, there's no debate - it has to happen - it's a do or die situation - it's just that we're just gonna become the same as the rest because there'll be soccer and school mums driving them and they'll become regarded just like a Pajero or Prado, etc and in my book that's more than a bit sad :(

[Landybitz]

Its more than sad, but times have changed and Land Rover are now focused on a very different market.

[PAT303]

Whats with the negativity?,the new defender will be worth the wait. Pat

[Didge]

I'm not being negative Pat or at least that wasn't my intent to project that sentiment.
It sort of went off track - YOLO said wouldn't it be great to see LR make a product that EVERYONE wants , they'll sell heaps and that'll be great for LR - so true cos it would ensure they survive.
I was basically trying to say it would be sad to see our individuality, our LR camaraderie, blah, blah, blah, get swallowed up so we're (those who've been loyal all these years) all just like the Nissan, Toymota club, etc. The new "Deefer" will be blowing smoke our his arse about how good his new Defender (or whatever it's gonna be called) is and I guess the rest of us will be like the current Series owners. Just a sentimental thought, that's all.
If its as good as they say, I reckon the Defender replacement will make the current crop of Deefers look like Series 3 currently appears - that's when I want to buy a 2013 - 2015 Deefer- when people jump ship/ "upgrade" into the new one.
My concern is the Deefer replacement could be as expensive as the current Discos and RR's. I know a young mechanic who did a headlight replacement on a newish RR just last week - $2,200.00 - that's right - over two thousand dollars! - (obviously globe and igniter). Where would we be if the Def replacement starts costing even half or even quarter of that sort of dough for maintenance. :)

[Landybitz]

And Land Rover are putting the brakes on Independent garages having the ability to offer parts and servicing, only a few will have the privilege and I am sure they will have to pay a big fee to do so.

[Didge]

Well, I guess I won't even be upgrading from the old 300Tdi if that's the case - none of this electrickery stuff for me :D

[PAT303]

I'm not being negative Pat or at least that wasn't my intent to project that sentiment.
It sort of went off track - YOLO said wouldn't it be great to see LR make a product that EVERYONE wants , they'll sell heaps and that'll be great for LR - so true cos it would ensure they survive.
I was basically trying to say it would be sad to see our individuality, our LR camaraderie, blah, blah, blah, get swallowed up so we're (those who've been loyal all these years) all just like the Nissan, Toymota club, etc. The new "Deefer" will be blowing smoke our his arse about how good his new Defender (or whatever it's gonna be called) is and I guess the rest of us will be like the current Series owners. Just a sentimental thought, that's all.
If its as good as they say, I reckon the Defender replacement will make the current crop of Deefers look like Series 3 currently appears - that's when I want to buy a 2013 - 2015 Deefer- when people jump ship/ "upgrade" into the new one.
My concern is the Deefer replacement could be as expensive as the current Discos and RR's. I know a young mechanic who did a headlight replacement on a newish RR just last week - $2,200.00 - that's right - over two thousand dollars! - (obviously globe and igniter). Where would we be if the Def replacement starts costing even half or even quarter of that sort of dough for maintenance. :)

$2200 for a globe ;),I replaced the whole light/blinker unit on my L322 RR,$240 for the housing,genuine part. Pat

[PAT303]

Well, I guess I won't even be upgrading from the old 300Tdi if that's the case - none of this electrickery stuff for me :D

Yep,big nasty stuff that electrickery mumbo jumbo,how do you stop your candles blowing out while your driving?. Pat

[PAT303]

And Land Rover are putting the brakes on Independent garages having the ability to offer parts and servicing, only a few will have the privilege and I am sure they will have to pay a big fee to do so.

The big nasty Land Rover corporation picking on the little guy eh. :confused:. Pat

[Landybitz]

I don't think its LR Picking on anyone, they just want to make more profit in house, can't blame them for that, and most people who buy a new Land Rover now or in the future will not service it them selfs, if you can afford 100K ++ then a $1000 service will not break the bank.

[PAT303]

Sorry but the last posts on this thread are rubbish,you can get your LR serviced by anyone with the diagnostic gear,I lived in remote Oz for years and never had an issue,as per electric trouble never had any but helped lots of people in older generation vehicles that had mechanical trouble out in the middle of nowhere,last was a 1HD-FTE that the owner kept because he didn't like electrics,go figure. Pat

[Lionel]

Yeccchh

Where is the vomit emoticon?

Come on!! It's going to HAVE to look something like that. We will just have to get used to it.

My big worry is that it will lose the mechanical simplicity of the current Defender & move too far up market.

Provided the load area is still a practical shape, & not miles of moulded plastic making it difficult to customise, I am not too worried about the external shape as suggested in the photos.

Cheers,

Lionel

[DiscoMick]

And Land Rover are putting the brakes on Independent garages having the ability to offer parts and servicing, only a few will have the privilege and I am sure they will have to pay a big fee to do so.

All the car companies are trying to lock buyers into their dealer service departments, LR is not unusual.
That's why the companies are now offering fixed price servicing, to try to win people back from the independents. Just yesterday we were offered vehicle lifetime fixed price servicing on a Mazda 2, for example. Quite an attractive offer, actually.

[AndyG]

Given how LR has the soccer mum and luxury market covered, I'm expecting a modern, safe, environmental tough as nails unit to attract the miners, military, agriculture, UN market. A mini Iveco in fact. It's a segment not covered well, hence Oz army buying G wagons that are 40 ? Years young

[Didge]

I was only joking about the electrickery Pat, I just can't afford one otherwise there'd be a new one on the driveway :D

[DiscoMick]

Given how LR has the soccer mum and luxury market covered, I'm expecting a modern, safe, environmental tough as nails unit to attract the miners, military, agriculture, UN market. A mini Iveco in fact. It's a segment not covered well, hence Oz army buying G wagons that are 40 ? Years young



I remember Gerry McGovern saying their aim would be to replace the Hilux as the top vehicle in the class. LR was able to watch how Ford designed the Ranger here in Oz and what a success it has been, so they should have learnt a lot and hopefully can produce a wider range of vehicles.

[Didge]

The old Ranger is a bloody good car from what I've experienced - for $60K ish they go like a rocket, have all the mod cons and are fuel misers. Hopefully LR will take on board their design ideas.

[goingbush]

The old Ranger is a bloody good car from what I've experienced - for $60K ish they go like a rocket, have all the mod cons and are fuel misers. Hopefully LR will take on board their design ideas.

forget about the Ranger design ideas, but the 5 cylinder Engine, yes !!!

[Didge]

fair call :)

[Tomo]

Come on!! It's going to HAVE to look something like that. We will just have to get used to it.

My big worry is that it will lose the mechanical simplicity of the current Defender & move too far up market.

Provided the load area is still a practical shape, & not miles of moulded plastic making it difficult to customise, I am not too worried about the external shape as suggested in the photos.

Cheers,

Lionel

After the 300tdi model they lost a lot of their mechanical simplicity with the introduction common rail fuel injection :(
and more so with the pumas with much higher injection pressures :(
Also the drive line lost the robust Salisbury rear diff (approx 2002?) in favour of the inferior rover P38 style diff :(

However compared to what else is on the market ATM they still have a considerable amount of 'mechanical simplicity'

The current defender had the body of an old dog with a heart of a young pup.......

[Tombie]

Except they didn't go Common Rail post 300Tdi...

I would hardly call the P38 diff inferior.. What it lacks in outright strength it makes up for in clearance.

Many people have not had an issue with the P38 diffs..

TDCi certainly changed engine complexity and added a few more points of failure but overall these things are pretty solid...

[tact]

Once upon a time there was nothing simpler or more robust than the old ice box. The ice man would bring the ice. Put it in the box. Cold beer. Butter doesn't melt.

Now we have these new fangled electric refrigerators. There is just so much that can go wrong. Compressors, gas leaks, evaporators...Not to mention utter dependence on continuous electricity supply.

You really cannot trust all this technology. How hard does it need to be? A block of ice. Do we really need "frost free" and multi zone cooling, vege crispers and chillers.

Don't get me started on fridges with chilled water or ice dispensers as accessories! If you just have an icebox - you got ice and chilled water without the electricity or butter conditioners.

[specwarop]

Living in the past. Why do we have credit cards, we could all be bouncing around cashing cheques?
Get with the program, Land Rover is certainly attempting too, finally, with the Defender.

[goingbush]

Plenty of hypocrites here. If one was really against technology you would not even be on here, not even a "ye olde worlde" IBM 8086 or amstrad computer would give you access to AULRO . and with an aucoustic couple modem :Rolling:

ICE BLOCKS ?? your in the dark ages, have you never heard of a Kero Fridge !!

computer controlled engines are Vastly more efficient and reliable than fully mechanical. You people that are dead set against CRD what type of 2wd car do you drive , if its after 1980 I bet its got a computer in it, and unless its a VB Commodore i bet its computer has never failed.

[tact]

Just to be clear - my comments were meant to be funny. I drive a Puma. Love the electrickery. It turns 2yo in a a few days.

[Didge]

I find the mechanical vs electrical debate rather amusing. As you can see I have a 300Tdi. Sure it's basic but if something like the injector pump or similar plays up in the bush I, and I suspect many others, would probably have buckley's chance of fixing it - similar to diagnosing an electronic fault unless I was trained in using one of those diagnostic gadgets. Electronics are the way of the future both in reliability, efficiency, power and effectiveness - no one in the design industry is pushing the envelope of mechanical design ahead of electronics. Just like you'll never see computers using valves and transistors again, its highly likely we'll be driving electric Defenders before we see power supply going back to full mechanicals; besides, if it's reliable who cares how it works?

[MrLandy]

Plenty of hypocrites here. If one was really against technology you would not even be on here, not even a "ye olde worlde" IBM 8086 or amstrad computer would give you access to AULRO . and with an aucoustic couple modem :Rolling:

ICE BLOCKS ?? your in the dark ages, have you never heard of a Kero Fridge !!

computer controlled engines are Vastly more efficient and reliable than fully mechanical. You people that are dead set against CRD what type of 2wd car do you drive , if its after 1980 I bet its got a computer in it, and unless its a VB Commodore i bet its computer has never failed.

My Puma is less fuel efficient than my 300tdi Defender, this is a big surprise. It's reliability, electrical or otherwise, remains to be seen. It's definitely quieter and a bit more refined, except when the mid gear change revs stay up too long, or it automatically accelerates!! in first low reverse!! ...I love my Puma, but I'm not convinced that more computer intervention is a good thing. I certainly wouldn't want any new Defender to have dial-up off road driving programs. Simplicity is at the heart of all design perfection. There is no reason why this principle cannot be applied to vehicle computer management.

I'd be interested to hear, how reliable are Discovery 4's and Range Rovers when they are used constantly for hard work in tough environments a long way from service centres?

[goingbush]

I find the mechanical vs electrical debate rather amusing. As you can see I have a 300Tdi. Sure it's basic but if something like the injector pump or similar plays up in the bush I, and I suspect many others, would probably have buckley's chance of fixing it - similar to diagnosing an electronic fault unless I was trained in using one of those diagnostic gadgets. Electronics are the way of the future both in reliability, efficiency, power and effectiveness - no one in the design industry is pushing the envelope of mechanical design ahead of electronics. Just like you'll never see computers using valves and transistors again, its highly likely we'll be driving electric Defenders before we see power supply going back to full mechanicals; besides, if it's reliable who cares how it works?

Except in a post apocalyptic world, or in the case of a Corona Mass Ejection / Carrington Event , which may render all computer stuff useless, its only Valves and Mechanicals that are going to be left working :) The Amish can't wait to say , "I told you so"

[Didge]

Like this????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpK5XRBmT-k

:D

[tact]

My Puma [...] It's definitely quieter and a bit more refined, except when [...] it automatically accelerates!! in first low reverse!

Ahhhh my introduction to the "idle jack" feature was bit of a fright too! Was trying to creep forward very minutely in low first... when the clutch pedal position was high enough, the computer jacked up engine idle speed a few hundred rpm....scared me!

Now i understand the feature and logic...like it

[MrLandy]

Ahhhh my introduction to the "idle jack" feature was bit of a fright too! Was trying to creep forward very minutely in low first... when the clutch pedal position was high enough, the computer jacked up engine idle speed a few hundred rpm....scared me!

Now i understand the feature and logic...like it

Yeah like anything you get used to it, but in certain circumstances it should be able to be turned off. Land Rovers stated aim is to build a 4WD system that requires no driver input! ...that even senses the difference between wet and dry sand! To me the whole point of driving a Defender is driver input. I'm not interested in a vehicle that drives itself, but that's clearly where things are headed.

Reliability is a separate issue and it may be that electronics are more reliable in the long run, but when vehicles go into limp mode so often for silly reasons it's clear that the limitations of computer control or programming is actually often the cause of the vehicle being unable to proceed. ...I've just bought a Nanocom, in case I need it out bush somewhere. No idea how to use it yet, but hopefully it will help, not hinder in this new age of bush technicians.

[tact]

. [...]I've just bought a Nanocom, in case I need it out bush somewhere. No idea how to use it yet, but hopefully it will help, not hinder in this new age of bush technicians.

How is that working for you? I bought a nanocom Evo to use with my 2013 TDCI a year ago and til today have not been able to get it to work. Some issue with ECUs in newer Pumas not talking to the nanocom. BBS are working on it - no idea when maybe the device will be useful to me

[MrLandy]

As I say, haven't used it yet, but will post when I do...sorry to hear not working for you! Prob a bit off 'end of production' topic here anyway.

Looking forward to hearing when someone picks up their limited edition Defender! Who will be first?

[Pickles2]

Probably been mentioned before somewhere, haven't heard anything from Landrover Aus, only from LandRover U.K.
Anyway, here it is again, so ya don't miss it.
FINAL ORDER DATE: 26th JUNE 2015. (OFFICIAL LANDROVER U.K.).
So, if ya want ya're own "built to order" Defender, ya better get in NOW.
Pickles.

[scarry]

More Defender end of production info


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0HXSuXBDco#t=78

[YOLO110]

I wonder what this will fetch at the auction then...

Well over ? 100k... [bigwhistle]

[cafe latte]

Yeah like anything you get used to it, but in certain circumstances it should be able to be turned off. Land Rovers stated aim is to build a 4WD system that requires no driver input! ...that even senses the difference between wet and dry sand! To me the whole point of driving a Defender is driver input. I'm not interested in a vehicle that drives itself, but that's clearly where things are headed.

Reliability is a separate issue and it may be that electronics are more reliable in the long run, but when vehicles go into limp mode so often for silly reasons it's clear that the limitations of computer control or programming is actually often the cause of the vehicle being unable to proceed. ...I've just bought a Nanocom, in case I need it out bush somewhere. No idea how to use it yet, but hopefully it will help, not hinder in this new age of bush technicians.

As much as I dont want my cars to drive themselves I do understand why this sort of technology is being pushed and actually why it has to happen. I have been in my rural brigade for years, but I only recently joined the Urban brigade. I am currently being shown all the gear used for getting people out of road crashes, scary stuff. I am also being pre-warned about the horrors of untangling dead peoples limbs from destroyed cars and the much worse trying to untangle horribly injured living people and children for car wrecks. Some of the stories are really chilling and what is worse is every fire fighter in the brigade has attended multiple horrible road crashes. Sadly the only way it will stop is cars that are built to help prevent it.
Chris

[Didge]

Interesting comment Chris. I once saw a psychologist talking once about people's perception of safe driving and he was saying that with anti lock braking, brake bias, traction control, auto gearboxes, power steering, better tyres, etc, etc people tend to think they can drive faster and better when in fact they do drive faster, more recklesslly but not better. He suggested that if every steering wheel had a big, sharp spike sticking out of it pointing at the driver's chest, people would drive much more carefully.

[cafe latte]

Interesting comment Chris. I once saw a psychologist talking once about people's perception of safe driving and he was saying that with anti lock braking, brake bias, traction control, auto gearboxes, power steering, better tyres, etc, etc people tend to think they can drive faster and better when in fact they do drive faster, more recklesslly but not better. He suggested that if every steering wheel had a big, sharp spike sticking out of it pointing at the driver's chest, people would drive much more carefully.

Hmm some valid points, but the reality is cars are getting safer and it is saving lives. Speeding is not the only cause of crashes, actually most are at walking pace. The town boys attended a crash recently where an older 4x4 overturned swerving to avoid a Roo. The driver drove up a bank and it landed on the roof, the car was not travelling fast at the time and there were some bad injuries. A more modern car and the occupants would have had a much better chance than they did in the old 4x4 they were in.
I love my new Defender and I did not want a new air bag 4x4, but I do believe this and other safety measures on new cars do save lives.
Chris

[JDNSW]

........., but I do believe this and other safety measures on new cars do save lives.
Chris

They certainly do, but insurance and other statistics show that accident and injury rates have very little to do with the safety equipment fitted to the car. The colour of the car seems to be more relevant. In fact, the very highest accident and injury/death rates are seen in cars that have the highest safety ratings. Mind you, they are also the cars that have very high performance and attract car thieves!

All this points to the driver being the highest influence on accident, death and injury rates, with part of the driver effect being the driver's choice of car. And over the top of this is the simple fact that drivers with alcohol or other drug impairment are over-represented in all accidents by factors as high as twenty times more likely.

Consequently, I conclude that while modern design will prevent injury and death once you have an accident, the probability of having it in the first place is hardly affected directly by vehicle design, primary safety improvements being largely counterbalanced by the higher speeds and acceleration possible.

Accident rates have been going down virtually ever since records started, and although vehicle design may have had a small influence on this, I believe it has been mainly due to improved roads, seat belts (not airbags) and much better compliance by drivers, including, but not restricted to drink driving.

John

[AndyG]

All this points to the driver being the highest influence on accident, death and injury rates, with part of the driver effect being the driver's choice of car. And over the top of this is the simple fact that drivers with alcohol or other drug impairment are over-represented in all accidents by factors as high as twenty times more likely.



John

The next big jump in vehicle safety will probably be automatic breath analysis for illicit s at start up time. No more double strength peppermints.

[cafe latte]

They certainly do, but insurance and other statistics show that accident and injury rates have very little to do with the safety equipment fitted to the car. The colour of the car seems to be more relevant. In fact, the very highest accident and injury/death rates are seen in cars that have the highest safety ratings. Mind you, they are also the cars that have very high performance and attract car thieves!

All this points to the driver being the highest influence on accident, death and injury rates, with part of the driver effect being the driver's choice of car. And over the top of this is the simple fact that drivers with alcohol or other drug impairment are over-represented in all accidents by factors as high as twenty times more likely.

Consequently, I conclude that while modern design will prevent injury and death once you have an accident, the probability of having it in the first place is hardly affected directly by vehicle design, primary safety improvements being largely counterbalanced by the higher speeds and acceleration possible.

Accident rates have been going down virtually ever since records started, and although vehicle design may have had a small influence on this, I believe it has been mainly due to improved roads, seat belts (not airbags) and much better compliance by drivers, including, but not restricted to drink driving.

John
I am in my early 40's and I do wonder in my life time will be see cars that drive themselves being the norm?
Chris

[YOLO110]

I am in my early 40's and I do wonder in my life time will be see cars that drive themselves being the norm?
Chris

I really hope so...

This will then get rid of the appalling standard of driving that is present here!

With the added benefit of then giving the police something important to do like catching criminals, rather than to catch motorists doing 3kph over the speed limit. Speed does not kill, stupidity does! ;)

[JDNSW]

I am in my early 40's and I do wonder in my life time will be see cars that drive themselves being the norm?
Chris

I don't know about "the norm", but I do expect to see self driving cars well within your lifetime, if not mine.

I have problems visualising how the self driving car can follow roads that are not on its map database, such as driiveways (and part of my access road), or how they can predict feral animal (or playing children) movements, or unusual conditions such as high winds making trees on the road just round the next corner likely, and drive accordingly. But they would do well on freeways and most city commuting.

John

[Didge]

I remember driving down a steep road from Helensburgh to Otford (for those who know it) and somehow was absently minded sort of daydreaming about roos jumping out of the bush. The speed limit is 80 but when I looked at my speedo I was doing 40 and it wasn't intentional - that just turned out to be the speed that I thought I'd be able to avoid a roo hit.

[cafe latte]

I remember driving down a steep road from Helensburgh to Otford (for those who know it) and somehow was absently minded sort of daydreaming about roos jumping out of the bush. The speed limit is 80 but when I looked at my speedo I was doing 40 and it wasn't intentional - that just turned out to be the speed that I thought I'd be able to avoid a roo hit.

I chatted to my friend re roos the other day. He drives and owns the local school bus and has to drive in his car very early in the morning to get the bus. He told me he has hit many roos on these morning trips which is why he has a steel bull bar. He told me the only damage he has has is lights the rest of the car has been fine, which is why he fitted a steel bull bar to his new car (reason we had the conversation).
Chris

[Didge]

We're way off topic now but about 15 years ago I had an MQ Patrol and hit a pedestrian at about 70kmh - he shot through the air like a rag doll. It was sort of like a snooker ball reaction. Anyway, short stocky bloke - probably 70 - 80kgs at most. Collected him on the alloy bullbar right in front of the drivers headlight. His weight bent (or sprang) the bull bar back to the point where it damaged the front guard and bonnet. I'd imagine a sizeable roo would do substantially more damage. I currently have an alloy bar but reckon its only worth or value is cosmetic.

[Tote]

Sometimes technology does not go where we expect it to. In the 1950's predictions were that everyome would be using flying cars by the 80's. Instead the technology path of the motor vehicle has been an improvement in the experience but no substantial change to it. The actual mechanics of the role a motor vehicle performs and how you operate it has remained static since the 1900s.

Regards

Tote

[goingbush]

We're way off topic now but about 15 years ago I had an MQ Patrol and hit a pedestrian at about 70kmh - he shot through the air like a rag doll. It was sort of like a snooker ball reaction. Anyway, short stocky bloke - probably 70 - 80kgs at most. Collected him on the alloy bullbar right in front of the drivers headlight. His weight bent (or sprang) the bull bar back to the point where it damaged the front guard and bonnet. I'd imagine a sizeable roo would do substantially more damage. I currently have an alloy bar but reckon its only worth or value is cosmetic.

getting more OT, I hit a cow a few weeks ago in the Iveco, was doing 100k when I noticed it and 87k by the time I hit it, (The caravan brakes were locked but the truck brakes did SFA) saw poor cow do an airborne 180 in my mirror and landed head first 10m in from the side of the road - dead . same hit point as you, driver side headlight on the alloy bar , no damage to vehicle and minimal to bar, - if I was in anything lesser it would not have turned out in my favour.

[goingbush]

Sometimes technology does not go where we expect it to. In the 1950's predictions were that everyome would be using flying cars by the 80's. Instead the technology path of the motor vehicle has been an improvement in the experience but no substantial change to it. The actual mechanics of the role a motor vehicle performs and how you operate it has remained static since the 1900s.

Regards

Tote

so has aerodynamics and the principles of flight - hanging out for the morph in technology !

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Land Rover extends Defender production (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/land-rover-defender-production-extension/)

[Pickles2]

Yes, it looks as if production will be extended,...slightly.
The issue being caused by a surge in orders for the "last" Defenders, but I don't think there's any panic, from what I hear, the factory is still operating on only one shift..
However, I don't think anything's changed much,...I reckon that if you tried to order a new one now, to your own specs, the only chance you'd have is if your dealer had an unallocated build slot, the specs of which, at this stage?, could possibly be changed?
Pickles.

[MrLandy]

Yes...and this article makes it clear that it truly is the end of the road for Defender.

"...A Defender that makes more friends will necessarily be a kinder-looking truck - McGovern characterizes it as less "overtly functional" and "more sophisticated."

Next Land Rover Defender will 'have to wash its face' to gain broader appeal (http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/09/land-rover-defender-redesign)

[jerryd]

Could just be gossip..

Land Rover extends Defender production (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/land-rover-defender-production-extension/)

[V8Ian]

We do gossip here, Jerry. :twisted:

[Pickles2]

No Surprises, & nothing's changed really.
Just a few more orders at the end of production than was anticipated means they couldn't make 'm all by 18/12!
Pickles.

[jerryd]

We do gossip here, Jerry. :twisted:

Did you get my pm ?? ( latest gossip ;) )

[V8Ian]

Did you get my pm ?? ( latest gossip ;) )
Message received and understood, there was no shortage of either today.
Do you need a packet of bread-crumbs for next weekend? Don't get lost, your presence is expected on the Monday. :p

[MarkM]

The Australian, today, page 16, picked up this story too.

[DiscoMick]

I'm expecting the new Defender to be kinda like LR's version of the Ford Ranger, including a wagon body, to tell the truth. I can't see how anything else is possible if they want to sell 100,000 of them a year.
That's all good of course, because it will make the current Defenders more desirable for us owners.

[MrLandy]

I'm expecting the new Defender to be kinda like LR's version of the Ford Ranger, including a wagon body, to tell the truth. I can't see how anything else is possible if they want to sell 100,000 of them a year.
That's all good of course, because it will make the current Defenders more desirable for us owners.

Why does everyone think the dual cab light duty ute market is endless? ...Surely building something fantastic that fills a category that no one else is filling properly (ie HD 4WD work vehicle) is going to be more successful by any measure, than jumping in to an already over crowded market of sameness.

[cafe latte]

Sadly the new Defender wont even be a 76 series as that is going too. I doubt it will be aluminium either. To conform to it will have wrap around bumpers and air bags, and if they want broad appeal plus economy it will have more computers in it than NASA. Whatever they write on the front it wont be a Defender.
Chris

[tact]

I'm expecting the new Defender to be kinda like LR's version of the Ford Ranger, including a wagon body, to tell the truth. I can't see how anything else is possible if they want to sell 100,000 of them a year.
That's all good of course, because it will make the current Defenders more desirable for us owners.

I was a Toyota guy for many years. I like to buy brand new. Last Toyota I bought new was in 1999 I think, a Hilux. Replaced it with something else (non-4x4) in 2006. Then 2yrs ago bought a Defender largely because I couldn't stomach what the new Hilux/Navara/Ranger et al have become.

If the new defender is like any of those dual cabs.... *sigh*. :(

[DiscoMick]

Why does everyone think the dual cab light duty ute market is endless? ...Surely building something fantastic that fills a category that no one else is filling properly (ie HD 4WD work vehicle) is going to be more successful by any measure, than jumping in to an already over crowded market of sameness.


I agree completely. What the world needs now (could be a song there...) is a tough, durable workhorse truck more capable than the utes and more modern than the Defender/Toyota 76. It should be possible to wash it out, repair it using commonly-available parts, mass produce it around the world and adapt it to create versions for local needs. Then they can add tarted-up versions for the yuppies later, after they get the basics right. My opinion.

[TwoUp]

Looking back at comments from Jerry the Land Rover Face to the Media for the new Defender, I sigh reading statements like, the Defender needs to sell more than the 20,000 etc that it does now. So my comment would be "Well Hold the Phone YOUNG Fella". May as well be governed by Layland. Or perhaps L/Rover is by some Legacy still is with someone at the helm!

All Defender needed to compete in numbers world wide is a longer seating position, (how hard would that be to achieve!!), a motor that achieves some of those performance characteristics from lower revs, perhaps a Large Diesel or V8. Older models had a V8. Also Brakes to Match the load carrying capasity, read AGVM. Finally a wider Cabin, something akin to the 6WD Ambulance or Workshop and Troop Carrier. You almost had it!

Now my final ponder is, "what is the Farmer and Tradie going to purchase"? Don't forget you roots, o'le mate.

Kindest Regards,
PeterW

[Tote]

Snip

Now my final ponder is, "what is the Farmer and Tradie going to purchase"? Don't forget you roots, o'le mate.

Kindest Regards,
PeterW

Rangers and Hiluxes and an assortment of lesser vehicles, just like they have been doing for the last 20 years.....

Regards,
Tote

[AndyG]

Maybe I am being naive,
But I expect/hope that LR will see the opportunity to meet the needs of MOD , UN, NGO 4wd market, which will also suit the agricultural and H.D off road market, and not another dual cab clone that snaps a chassis with more than 2 cartons of beer in the back.

So far LR have ticked the boxes in the other segments they have addressed.

[YOLO110]

Sadly the new Defender wont even be a 76 series as that is going too. I doubt it will be aluminium either....
Chris

I think it will be in aluminium... as they are building the new RR in that now. Lots of tech development into the product.

Too early for a composite monocoque I feel... but if so that would certainly be ground breaking stuff for an immensely strong and light Defender... and as well as also lasting forever, it would be rust proof too!! :)

[scarry]

Another European offering on the way.

Not a bad tradies ute


V6 TD 190kw,620nm

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/114.jpg (http://picturepush.com/public/14766423)

[Didge]

Aluminium still corrodes unless protected properly but yes it will last longer than steel

[JDNSW]

Aluminium still corrodes unless protected properly but yes it will last longer than steel

What do you mean by "protected properly"? The underside of my 2a's body has been unpainted for over forty years on (and off) the road, with no corrosion problem (the steel bits, carefully painted many times over the years, is a different matter!). My unpainted old aluminium caravan, now about sixty years standing in the weather and on the road, is virtually unmarked by corrosion - but again, the steel frame is another matter.

There are a few DC-3 aircraft still in operation round the world, with their aluminium structure still airworthy and with no corrosion after standing in the weather most of the time for at least seventy years.

Bad design with electrical contact between unprotected aluminium and other metals can result in corrosion, but the issues are well understood and easily avoided.

John

[Pickles2]

Visited our Dealer, ULR, yesterday, to arrange Gracie's next service & oil pump recall.
I was informed that all of their 90 allocations are gone, but they had a very few 110 spots available.
Upon leaving I noticed a somewhat unusual new Defender in the holding yard, it was a 110 dual cab, with the rear body (tray?) yet to be fitted. It was red with part leather seats. Very nice, can't be too many of them left. There were two 90s awaiting PD in the yard also.
Pickles.

[Didge]

Hi John, I'm thinking about the powdering of my doors in the 110 - but I guess that could be mainly due to galvanic reaction. Ally outboard motors still corrode which is why they have anodes attached to them. Yes, I take your point about the caravan and underside of the series., I've seen plenty of aluminium damaged by corrosion pitting over the years but to be honest it's mainly been boats. Maybe salt water is the real problem which is why aluminium windows need to be anodised if they're not powdercoated.
cheers gerald

[JDNSW]

Maybe salt water is a problem - but not too serious a one, provided you avoid bimetallic corrosion. I have a 'tinnie', used as dinghy for my yacht for thirty odd years, exposed to salt spray and general weather throughout that time - still does not leak, although certainly it is discoloured with corrosion. But comparing this to the (sandblasted, painted and repainted) steel hull of the yacht, there is no question that the unpainted dinghy has survived better - and steel is what you seem to be praising for car construction!

John

[Didge]

Not at all JD, not at all. I think car manufacturer's have persisted with steel because it does rust or at least their designs serve to accelerate it, or at least they did in the past and I did more than my fair share of repairing rust in my younger years. I have a secret fascination with aluminium - maybe it's the bright and light nature of it. Also, it's great strength to weight ratio and ability to be deformed into more extreme shapes than steel (I read that recently). I was gobsmacked at how well the Evoque survived that crash off the elevated roadway (under the LR videos thread on the forum - if you haven't seen it, you must). After re reading your comment I'm a more learned man - I didn't even think about all the still intact aircraft lying around in fields. I just got the impression from the earlier posting that the poster thought ally was totally immune to corrosion. I stand corrected :)

[JDNSW]

...... I think car manufacturer's have persisted with steel because it does rust.......

No, car manufacturers have stuck with steel, simply because it is cheap compared to aluminium. The only reason Rover used aluminium in their first Landrover was because steel was rationed, and aluminium was not. They found that the the advantages of the alloy body were sufficient to stick with the material till the present, although in the last few years a number of panels formerly alloy have been replaced with steel.

As I have pointed out previously in another thread, Hartnett was building cars in Australia in the early 1950s with an entirely aluminium structure, so "all aluminium" cars are certainly not new.

Interestingly, if you analyse the requirements for a structural material, you find that the strength/weight ratio is not the critical figure, but the elasticity/weight ratio*. And this figure is almost constant for almost all feasible structural materials. Hence, for example, aircraft have been made from steel, wood, and aluminium alloys, with very similar performance - the choice depends on other factors, including that many parts have to have a minimum thickness to avoid being too easily damaged, susceptibility to corrosion, fatigue, heat etc., or ease of manufacture, repair or other factor.

The one exception to this rule is so-called "exotic" structural materials, most notably carbon fibre reinforced materials. These are not stronger for the same weight, but are much more rigid, so that structures, if properly designed, can be much stronger or lighter. (Worth noting though that the first Sydney-Hobart yacht race where there were a large number of yachts using carbon fibre had an unprecedented number of structural failures - designers did not understand the new material.)

John

*For most realistic structures, when designed for light weight, most of the mass is in those structural elements which are in compression. These elements will fail by what is known as Euler buckling. The only property of the material involved in calculating the resistance of the structure to this form of failure is its elasticity (Young's Modulus). A more elastic material will call for, for example, thicker material in proportion to the elasticity of the material.

[Didge]

Hi John, I know its cheaper but looking at all the well designed nooks and crannies and appropriately place rubber strips that conveniently catch silt and detritus in hard to reach places has, over the years, made me rather sceptical of the designers best intentions to produce a vehicle that might stand the test of time without diligent cleaning. I know cars these days are more resistant to rusting than they were in the 80's and earlier but the designs still make me suspect they are designing in a limited life (I guess they are anyway so they in the business of continued sales).
Carbon fibre, yes I have a quadcopter (drone if you like) and upon crashing numerous times have replaced a few of the strong yet brittle carbon fibre parts with aluminium that is far more elastic, cheaper and easier to source. :) Interesting - hadn't heard of Euler before. :)

[JDNSW]

.... Interesting - hadn't heard of Euler before. :)

Leonhard Euler was an 18th century Swiss (but most of his life was in St Petersburg and Berlin) mathematician. Certainly the greatest mathematician of his time, and a worthy successor to Newton, Euler was possibly the greatest mathematician of all time.

John

[Didge]

That's a big call - better than Newton? He was scarily smart (as we all know) Didn't Newton devise calculus over a weekend to solve a problem posed to him? What do you think of Elon Musk? Owner of Tesla cars - now there's another genius - Nikolai Tesla. This is making me feel dumber all the time :(

[DiscoMick]

[QUOTE=Didge;2398860]Hi John, I know its cheaper but looking at all the well designed nooks and crannies and appropriately place rubber strips that conveniently catch silt and detritus in hard to reach places has, over the years, made me rather sceptical of the designers best intentions to produce a vehicle that might stand the test of time without diligent cleaning. I know cars these days are more resistant to rusting than they were in the 80's and earlier but the designs still make me suspect they are designing in a limited life (I guess they are anyway so they in the business of continued sales).
Carbon fibre, yes I have a quadcopter (drone if you like) and upon crashing numerous times have replaced a few of the strong yet brittle carbon fibre parts with aluminium that is far more elastic, cheaper and easier to source. :) Interesting - hadn't heard of Euler before. :)[/QUOTE
]

I think many cars are only designed to outlast the warranty period so the manufacturer doesn't have to repair them under warranty.

[AndyG]

That's a big call - better than Newton? He was scarily smart (as we all know) Didn't Newton devise calculus over a weekend to solve a problem posed to him? What do you think of Elon Musk? Owner of Tesla cars - now there's another genius - Nikolai Tesla. This is making me feel dumber all the time :(

Reading a Biography on Tesla at the moment, certainly scary smart.

[cuppabillytea]

That's a big call - better than Newton? He was scarily smart (as we all know) Didn't Newton devise calculus over a weekend to solve a problem posed to him? What do you think of Elon Musk? Owner of Tesla cars - now there's another genius - Nikolai Tesla. This is making me feel dumber all the time :(
Don't worry Didge. I'm sure that in his quieter moments of reflection' Tesla and his mates Einstein and Eiffel as well, would have felt woefully dumb.

[cafe latte]

Now I am addicted to Defenders what worries me is I cant ever have a replacement if anything happens to mine..
Chris

[scarry]

Now I am addicted to Defenders what worries me is I cant ever have a replacement if anything happens to mine..
Chris

You mean a new one.

I recon a lot of others are thinking this as well,including us.:(

[cuppabillytea]

You mean a new one.

I recon a lot of others are thinking this as well,including us.:(
Ditto.

[tact]

What you have all been waiting for....

Secret testing in France of the new Defender. Don't be fooled by the usual industry standard tricks to disguise the body shape...

(The French have been calling the Brits "swine" for hundreds of years - hence the secret codename)

https://youtu.be/2FbW_kVYcl0

[DiscoMick]

Can't imagine LR giving it that much flexibility, but would be nice.
In a perverted way I kinda hope the next Defender is a huge disappointment as it would make mine more valuable.

[JDNSW]

That's a big call - better than Newton? He was scarily smart (as we all know) Didn't Newton devise calculus over a weekend to solve a problem posed to him? What do you think of Elon Musk? Owner of Tesla cars - now there's another genius - Nikolai Tesla. This is making me feel dumber all the time :(

I don't know enough about Musk's abilities to really comment, but from the publicly available information his outstanding talent is as a businessman who has a sound understanding of science, rather than any special intellectual ability (which he may well have as well!).

Tesla was an outstanding physicist, and is responsible for the theory behind the alternating current power system we use today. But whether he was greater than, for example, Maxwell, is not so certain. What he did have, was definite personality problems (but then so did a lot of other famous people, including, for example, his contemporary Edison, and his predecessor Newton!).

John

[El Rey]

Hi,

New to the forum so apologies if this is answered elsewhere. I did a search for 'new' and 'used' but it came back and said those words were too short.

Anyhow, I'm looking to become a first time Defender 110 owner in the next month, and I'd appreciate any thoughts about whether you would recommend:

a) Buying a 2015 Defender.
PRO - pristine and a blank slate.
CON - I presume there's not much haggling can be done since they're disappearing.


b) Buy a recent (2009-2014) 110 in good condition with full service history.
PRO - have some $$$ left over to start putting on the bits I want.
PRO - someone else has sorted out any major gremlins
CON - someone has not sorted out any major gremlins, they've created some.

I'm going to see my local LR dealer on Friday - they say they have one more model allocation of what I want - Fuji White Defender 110 with the Black Pack.

Cheers

[loneranger]

I don't know enough about Musk's abilities to really comment, but from the publicly available information his outstanding talent is as a businessman who has a sound understanding of science, rather than any special intellectual ability (which he may well have as well!).

Tesla was an outstanding physicist, and is responsible for the theory behind the alternating current power system we use today. But whether he was greater than, for example, Maxwell, is not so certain. What he did have, was definite personality problems (but then so did a lot of other famous people, including, for example, his contemporary Edison, and his predecessor Newton!).

John

I think you'll find a lot of the famous physicists were on the Autistic Spectrum.

[MrLandy]

Grab the Fuji white with black pack while you can El Ray.

[cuppabillytea]

Grab the Fuji white with black pack while you can El Ray.

I second that motion.:)

[Didge]

I think you'll find a lot of the famous physicists were on the Autistic Spectrum.

Yeah, I reckon so. I suggest to my TAFE students - imagine Pythagoras back in the day. His mates say "Hey Pythagoras baby, wanna party? Wine, women and song - debauchery? Sound good?"
"Nah, I'm playing with triangles"
WEIRD!!!!

[DiscoMick]

Hi,

New to the forum so apologies if this is answered elsewhere. I did a search for 'new' and 'used' but it came back and said those words were too short.

Anyhow, I'm looking to become a first time Defender 110 owner in the next month, and I'd appreciate any thoughts about whether you would recommend:

a) Buying a 2015 Defender.
PRO - pristine and a blank slate.
CON - I presume there's not much haggling can be done since they're disappearing.


b) Buy a recent (2009-2014) 110 in good condition with full service history.
PRO - have some $$$ left over to start putting on the bits I want.
PRO - someone else has sorted out any major gremlins
CON - someone has not sorted out any major gremlins, they've created some.

I'm going to see my local LR dealer on Friday - they say they have one more model allocation of what I want - Fuji White Defender 110 with the Black Pack.

Cheers


I bought a 2009 110 with only 60k on the clock for $36k last year and am spending the difference on accessories. Worked for me.

[MrLandy]

I bought a 2009 110 with only 60k on the clock for $36k last year and am spending the difference on accessories. Worked for me.

And nice accessories they are too Mick. ...I took your approach with my 98 300tdi 15 years ago. I still needed to iron out the gremlins to the tune of about $10,000 over the first few years. And with no warranty, it worked out about the same as if I'd bought new at the time. ...it's a tricky decision, but I decided I'd rather start from new with the 2014 puma because end of production was looming and enjoy accessorising over time instead.

[AndyG]

I am mechanically illiterate & time poor in OZ, so i bought new, if i was the opposite, i would have been really tempted by a Perentie, or a 101 or who knows

[El Rey]

A big THANK YOU for all the replies - I went into the dealer today and gave him my spec:
? Black Pack
? Mudguards
? Bare bones interior
I thought you could get vinyl seating, which appealed to me when everything gets wet, but cloth is the base trim.

When it came time to try and upsell, the salesman brought over his mate who was the expert on extended warranties. He banged on for a few minutes about the peace of mind a 3 year extended warranty would give. I questioned him about the Defender being eligible and he said 'Yep' and handed me a sheet with the various options. When I got home - firstly the extended warranty is only for a max of 2 years, and second - it says the Defender is NOT eligible.

Anyhow, it's slated for the production line in September/October but not due in Australia till March next year, which was a bit frustrating to hear.

Cheers

[El Rey]

I think you'll find a lot of the famous physicists were on the Autistic Spectrum.

There's also a school of thought that the reason AI is being developed regardless of the risks to mankind, is that a lot of the people working on it are somewhere on the Asperger's spectrum, and don't actually care what the results of their work might create.

[MrLandy]

A big THANK YOU for all the replies - I went into the dealer today and gave him my spec:
? Black Pack
? Mudguards
? Bare bones interior
I thought you could get vinyl seating, which appealed to me when everything gets wet, but cloth is the base trim.

When it came time to try and upsell, the salesman brought over his mate who was the expert on extended warranties. He banged on for a few minutes about the peace of mind a 3 year extended warranty would give. I questioned him about the Defender being eligible and he said 'Yep' and handed me a sheet with the various options. When I got home - firstly the extended warranty is only for a max of 2 years, and second - it says the Defender is NOT eligible.

Anyhow, it's slated for the production line in September/October but not due in Australia till March next year, which was a bit frustrating to hear.

Cheers

Congrats El Rey! I'm somewhat jealous I must admit :-) the wait will be worth it. Cheers !

[cuppabillytea]

Well done El Rey. It will be worth the wait.

[AndyG]

Think hard about the premium leather, cows are waterproof and so good on a long trip. Mine is parked in Bald Hills if you want to do a bum test

[DiscoMick]

Congrats El Rey! I'm somewhat jealous I must admit :-) the wait will be worth it. Cheers !

I'm going to get canvas seat covers for mine.

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[MrLandy]

I'm going to get canvas seat covers for mine.

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Yeah I need a new set too for the Puma. I've had BlackDuck canvas seat covers for 15 years and still going strong on my 98 TDI. Maybe we should try for a group buy?

[tonyf]

Yeah I need a new set too for the Puma. I've had BlackDuck canvas seat covers for 15 years and still going strong on my 98 TDI. Maybe we should try for a group buy?

Can you buy covers for the single back seats in a 90 or 7-seat 110?

[tonyf]

I have looked for canvas covers, including for single back seats of a 90. Are they available?

[AndyG]

Have a look at millercanvas.com.au they seem the best option in Oz

[Pickles2]

Hi,

I'm a noob and I guess I was driven here by nostalgia. I've been lurking a while before registering today. I've always wanted a Defender but have so far stuck with the "sensible" options.

Given the end of production has been all over the UKL press I was surprised to see little about it on here and in the Aussie press:

Land Rover Defender to cease production in 2015 | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449593/Land-Rover-Defender-cease-production-2015.html)

Cheers,
Brett.
"So little about it in the Aussie Press"?
Correct, you've hit it on the head, the reason being, that, except for enthusiasts like us, & Defender "Tragics" like us, no-one really cares,...the Defender does not "rate" in the Aussie market,...hasn't for many years.
"We" think's it's awesome, a "Defender" of the faith etc, but not many else do.
Hense little interest in the Aussie motoring press. But, I don't care, I've got mine.
What will the future hold?...Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

I have looked for canvas covers, including for single back seats of a 90. Are they available?

I think MSA also do them.


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[YOLO110]

"So little about it in the Aussie Press"?
Correct, you've hit it on the head, the reason being, that, except for enthusiasts like us, & Defender "Tragics" like us, no-one really cares,...the Defender does not "rate" in the Aussie market,...hasn't for many years.
"We" think's it's awesome, a "Defender" of the faith etc, but not many else do.
Hense little interest in the Aussie motoring press. But, I don't care, I've got mine.
What will the future hold?...Pickles.


Spot on mate IMHO. :D

They are just a biased bunch of 'Jap Crap' ignoramiousis. I have little/no regard for their myopic opinion.

I am VERY pleased I have my Defender here, AND also in the UK where Jap stuff is, like in the entire European Continent, a tiny minority of 4wd sold!

Defenders rock... for a bloody good reason! :cool:

[cuppabillytea]

The Australian press write about what they're paid to write about, or just regurgitate press releases. Not much else.

[El Rey]

Think hard about the premium leather, cows are waterproof and so good on a long trip. Mine is parked in Bald Hills if you want to do a bum test

Thanks - I will ponder it.

[YOLO110]

Is the 'Premium Leather' REAL leather, from cows? Or is it the 'modern' synthetic leather, with no proper leather 'smell'?

Jaguars used to use REAL leather. My 'Part leather' seats in the Defender have no smell at all, I am sure they are synthetic. But perhaps the 'Premium Leather' IS real?

[El Rey]

Land Rover Defenders to be featured at Goodwood this year.

Land Rover to star at Goodwood Revival | CTV News | Autos (http://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/land-rover-to-star-at-goodwood-revival-1.2514858)

[cafe latte]

Is the 'Premium Leather' REAL leather, from cows? Or is it the 'modern' synthetic leather, with no proper leather 'smell'?

Jaguars used to use REAL leather. My 'Part leather' seats in the Defender have no smell at all, I am sure they are synthetic. But perhaps the 'Premium Leather' IS real?

Here in Aus it is against the law to call synthetic leather real leather.A furniture retailer got busted for selling chairs that were synthetic leather but advertised as leather. I have no doubt the Defender premium leather are real leather.
Chris

[masmia]

Landrover must have broken a record... The only car company to sellout one model without anyone ever seeing a photo of the vehicle they purchased.
Mine is on the boat ....wonder what it looks like.?

[Avion8]

Looks like there maybe a picture of one in this:

25 British cars to drive before you die by CAR Magazine (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motoring-issues/2015/britcarbucketlist-25-british-cars-to-drive-before-you-die/?utm_source=car_newsletter_data&utm_medium=&utm_content=mainstory&utm_campaign=car_newsletter_14082015)

[masmia]

Looks like there maybe a picture of one in this:

25 British cars to drive before you die by CAR Magazine (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motoring-issues/2015/britcarbucketlist-25-british-cars-to-drive-before-you-die/?utm_source=car_newsletter_data&utm_medium=&utm_content=mainstory&utm_campaign=car_newsletter_14082015)
No come on your just teasing me.

[Avion8]

Looks like a 110 Heritage to me, and check the poll results, the Defender is #4, behind the 2 McLarens & the E-Type. Get voting.

[AndyG]

Looks like a 110 Heritage to me, and check the poll results, the Defender is #4, behind the 2 McLarens & the E-Type. Get voting.

What the Discovery is not listed :o :p :eek::Rolling: :wasntme:

[barkingmad]

Looks like a 110 Heritage to me, and check the poll results, the Defender is #4, behind the 2 McLarens & the E-Type. Get voting.

Sorry, but the E gets my vote. :angel:

[El Rey]

Autocar tribute article to the Defender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxgb1wf7kZk

[AndyG]

AP Source: Ford planning for new small pickup in US - MiningGazette.com | News, Sports, Jobs - Houghton, Michigan - The Daily Mining Gazette (http://www.mininggazette.com/page/content.detail/id/917936/AP-Source--Ford-planning-for-new-small-pickup-in-US.html?isap=1&nav=5014)

Given what the Yanks consider small, i wonder where they (Ford) got the idea for a small Ute and a rugged SUV from. :o
Defender with flabby suspension anyone :D

[DieselDan]

Given what the Yanks consider small, i wonder where they (Ford) got the idea for a small Ute and a rugged SUV from. :o


Oh I dunno..... from here maybe?? :p
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[Didge]

Looks a bit like the FJ cruiser, that hasn't exactly won hearts and minds.

[El Rey]

I actually like that. It does have some Jeep-like hints but to my eyes it's more of a modern homage to or interpretation of a Defender's shape.

I tried the 'Build Your own'
- Snorkel
- Offroad bumpers front and rear
- Extreme off road protection plates along full undercarriage
- Side step plate
- Winch
- Offroad tires
- Small roof rack

STANDARD
- 3.2l 5 cylinder diesel
- 3 year warranty
- 6 speed manual
- Swaybar disconnect
- 2 pane glass roof

I think it's the equivalent of $46,000 AUD



Given what the Yanks consider small, i wonder where they (Ford) got the idea for a small Ute and a rugged SUV from. :o


Oh I dunno..... from here maybe?? :p
Troller | Acess?rios, Assist?ncia, Copa Troller e Test Drive (http://www.troller.com.br)

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[DiscoMick]

How strange that Ford doesn't sell the Ranger in the USA.

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[Tote]

Possible reasons:
It would have to be reengineered for a petrol engine - Americans don't like diesels although that is slowly changing with the euro cars here now.
It would cannibalise the F150 market, the F150 can only carry marginally more than the Ranger at the high spec end, some F150's can only carry 800 KG.
Ford head office are stupid....., why don't they put the TDV8 in the F100 and sell it in OZ?
Are Rangers built LHD?

Regards,
Tote

[frantic]

Possible reasons:
It would have to be reengineered for a petrol engine - Americans don't like diesels although that is slowly changing with the euro cars here now.
It would cannibalise the F150 market, the F150 can only carry marginally more than the Ranger at the high spec end, some F150's can only carry 800 KG.
Ford head office are stupid....., why don't they put the TDV8 in the F100 and sell it in OZ?
Are Rangers built LHD?

Regards,
Tote

They used to sell a smaller truck called the ranger, it didn't sell as good as the first series.
Gm is building and selling the Colorado in the us,below its truck line, so I'd say fmc want to compete, but will want to build it there.. The ranger, along with bt50, hilux, Triton, Colorado, etc are all built in Thailand.

[Tote]

I seem to remember that there is also a large import duty on light trucks not built in the US which would make the ranger uncompetitive. No Hiluxes, Amaroks or Land Cruiser utes here either.

Regards,
Tote

[Defender Ben]

Given that ive just joined the forum and am slowly reading through things this might've been answered or addressed previously but with the Defender ceasing production have Land Rover cost themselves millions of dollars in not having a suitable replacement ready to go?


I find it hard to fathom that they supply these vehicles all over the world and to many different organisations and they are ending production at the end of 2015 and a replacement isn't being released for three years. Wouldn't you have a compliant yet similar replacement ready to go so you don't lose the market you've serviced for nearly 70 years and risk customers trying out your competitors??


I was told it was three years by the dealer I just ordered my car through but they said there wasn't a single design that's been put forward as a potential new Defender or similar. I was wondering if anyone could shed any logic on this lunacy?