Defenders on "Car Sales."

[DiscoMick]

I quite like the idea my 2009 110 has gone up in value. How often in life does your car rise in value? Makes me feel better about paying cash instead of financing it. Mine will never be sold so its all theoretical anyway.

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[ozscott]

Yep... G Wagon... Stock 110...G Wagon... Stock 110...mmm...what to spend my 100+ large on...

In fairness let's no be too hard on him he just accidentally added 1 too many zeros

[MrLandy]

Forthcoming G Wagen professional makes all of Land Rover's current offerings look very suburban, especially forthcoming Disco 5. ...and all of this makes low km Defenders at $60K look like a bargain.

[Geary]

If you read the ad for the $125k 110 he says circumstances have changed so he doesn't have to sell but to make the most of the ad he's already paid for he's just upped the price to try his luck. I tend to think many of the high priced units are in a similar position- "don't need to sell but If others are advertising for a profit I'll try my hand". Artificially raises the price in a similar way to property in holiday locations.

There's still a steady backfill of 2008-2012 models advertised from 29-36k which is still a tad high for a 4-8year old $50k car but sane at least.

[ozscott]

$45 or so yes... Bargain... $60k no. But we will see what happens. Ben from APT was saying he has heard from his contacts that Defender 2 is a goer which will bring current prices right back. He has 3 Defenders so I can't imagine he will love that but if you don't intend to sell its academic. I think profiterers should sell Now and people looking for a reasonable buy should wait until Deefer 2. They can't lose out because the prices can't go higher. LR could say tomorrow no Defender 2 and I reckon prices would not go up. Price them above a Toyota equivalent and watch them sit. I love LR but let's not kid ourselves... The price does make them much more attractive. Cheers

[MrLandy]

In comparison to any other full size four wheel drive on the market, except perhaps Mahindra, $60K for an as new Defender with accessories is a bargain. In comparison to a brand new Defender, no, but there is no such thing anymore. I would also be very surprised, that if a new model Defender materialises, that it will be under $60K. It's not going to be a $40K dual-cab and if it is, it won't be a Defender.

[ozscott]

Of course the new defender will likely be $60 ish with options to take it much higher... But when it comes out that will bring Defender Classic (...) back to reasonable pricing. Ie considerably less than what they were purchased new. Thus my comment that people flogging them need to live it up now and not wait and anyone wanting one just wait out the current silly stuff. Cheers

[MrLandy]

Of course the new defender will likely be $60 ish with options to take it much higher... But when it comes out that will bring Defender Classic (...) back to reasonable pricing. Ie considerably less than what they were purchased new. Thus my comment that people flogging them need to live it up now and not wait and anyone wanting one just wait out the current silly stuff. Cheers

...even if the next Defender is awesome, the last of the classics in good condition will hold their prices IMO. And if the next Defender goes the way of all other generic new SUV Land Rover models, classic Defender prices will increase like in the US. I don't think you'll see a sub 50,000km Defender under $50,000 ever again.

[Pickles2]

Of course the new defender will likely be $60 ish with options to take it much higher... But when it comes out that will bring Defender Classic (...) back to reasonable pricing. Ie considerably less than what they were purchased new. Thus my comment that people flogging them need to live it up now and not wait and anyone wanting one just wait out the current silly stuff. Cheers
I don't believe that is necessarily so. It could be, depending upon how good the "new" Defender is.
However, I believe the "New" Defender will be substantially dearer, especially if it is, as with other JLR variants, able to be heavily optioned.
I don't see current "realistic" (take out stupid opportunistic/unrealistic sellers) Defender prices dropping, at all.
Pickles.

[ozscott]

Let's just wait and see. I hope they stay high for current owners at least.

Cheers

[Geary]

I see the 2015 model 90 with ~3k kms advertised for $62k is now marked as sold. Keswick green with white roof and looked stock. NFI what it sold for as I wasn't interested enough to make an offer.

[Andrew86]

Of course the new defender will likely be $60 ish with options to take it much higher... But when it comes out that will bring Defender Classic (...) back to reasonable pricing. Ie considerably less than what they were purchased new.

Not a chance. Regardless of what the new Defender looks like or how it performs, it'll be an entirely new vehicle that takes the spirit of the original to a new place.

Just like when BMW made a new Mini and VW introduced the New Beetle, people will still love the original for completely different reasons.

[MrLandy]

Just like when BMW made a new Mini and VW introduced the New Beetle, people will still love the original for completely different reasons.

Exactly Andrew, but neither Mini or Beetle have taken the world by storm because they're seen as replicas or fun cult cars, rather than serious upgrades. That was the risk with the concept Defender that was quashed. It remains to be seen whether JLR see next Defender as a fairdinkum working vehicle, or some hipster replica.

Going on their current form - every new Land Rover vehicle is aimed at essentially the same luxury urban market (Disco Sport and Disco 5 case in point); and there is a very clear history of JLR not being serious about redeveloping Defender for the HD work / defence markets, I wouldn't hold my breath.

People will love current Defender for a long time to come. As you seem to be saying, prices will be dictated by factors other than new vehicle price comparison.

[ozscott]

What would the hipster replica be (bearing in mind that to comply with safety requirements it will need to be full of air bags)? Will live axle front and rear but on a beefed up d3 underpinnings do the trick? Would independent suspension automatically quality for hipster replica? What about decent air conditioning? Cheers

[travelrover]

Got an enthusiastic wave from a white puma HCPU in Richmond (NSW) this afternoon.


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[MrLandy]

If 2017 Discovery Sport pricing starts at $56,500 ($60K+ on road) as has been announced, I doubt a new Defender model will be under $75K+. As such, $60K for a low km current model iconic Defender is starting to look very reasonable. Sorry to say, I don't think icon Defender prices are going anywhere but up. And I'm someone who thinks the cost of living in this country is totally ridiculous.

[Pickles2]

If 2017 Discovery Sport pricing starts at $56,500 ($60K+ on road) as has been announced, I doubt a new Defender model will be under $75K+. As such, $60K for a low km current model iconic Defender is starting to look very reasonable. Sorry to say, I don't think icon Defender prices are going anywhere but up. And I'm someone who thinks the cost of living in this country is totally ridiculous.
Lol,...I agree, but particularly with your last comment,..."cost of living......"
Pickles.

[MrLandy]

Cheers Pickles 👍
...we're all supposed to be blissed out by growth capitalism, in a society under extreme financial pressure, that most of us buy into and perpetually create every day through our spending / consumption priorities. We as a society are obsessed with money, markets, real estate growth ...but then we complain about price rises for possibly the most iconic vehicle ever built!

It's Bizzare to me that by dint of our grotesque wealth in the global context, we see fancy new motor vehicles as disposable objects! Many new Range Rover owners pay more for their disposable vehicle than I'm paying for my house.

In this context, it's entirely inconsequential that the Defender I purchased specifically before the end of production, rises by $10-20K. But I'm pleased I backed my judgement and took out a loan to buy one when I could.

Now I love driving it every day and to me it's not a disposable item. I doubt I'll ever sell it. That's the thing about Series/Defender Land Rovers, they were not designed as disposable items. They are the last mass produced, hand made, non-disposable vehicle we will ever see. Of course they are going to rise in value when no more are ever going to be made.

Our disposable approach to the planet through perpetual growth capitalist greed is clearly already coming home to roost.

I'll sell my Defender only if an affordable heavy duty non-disposable renewable energy alternative becomes a realistic option. Until then I'll enjoy my Defender for many years to come and I advise anyone else who wants one ...to get one while you can! Even if prices drop, you'll still love it.

Cheers

[cuppabillytea]

Please be kind to Hipsters. They suffer for their art.

[DiscoMick]

If 2017 Discovery Sport pricing starts at $56,500 ($60K+ on road) as has been announced, I doubt a new Defender model will be under $75K+. As such, $60K for a low km current model iconic Defender is starting to look very reasonable. Sorry to say, I don't think icon Defender prices are going anywhere but up. And I'm someone who thinks the cost of living in this country is totally ridiculous.

I don't think we can predict new Defender pricing based on the Discovery range. The new Defender is supposed to be a separate range based on durability.
I predict new Defenders will start with a poverty model well below the Disco Sport and then option up into somewhere around the top of the Disco Sport or the bottom of the D4. Probably be pitched to compete with the Hilux and Ranger, not the Disco.

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[MrLandy]

I don't think we can predict new Defender pricing based on the Discovery range. The new Defender is supposed to be a separate range based on durability.
I predict new Defenders will start with a poverty model well below the Disco Sport and then option up into somewhere around the top of the Disco Sport or the bottom of the D4. Probably be pitched to compete with the Hilux and Ranger, not the Disco.

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Reckon you're dreaming brother. If it's priced below Disco Sport it will be a soft roader. ...that's effectively what hilux is now. If so, it won't be a Defender in my book.

[scarry]

Reckon you're dreaming brother. If it's priced below Disco Sport it will be a soft roader. ...that's effectively what hilux is now. If so, it won't be a Defender in my book.

He is a bit more from LR

"McGovern believes that the Discovery name could have as much equity as the Range Rover one in future when there is a full range of models, something he also believes to be true of the next-gen Defender range.

This new Defender family will ensure that functional Land Rovers won't disappear from a line-up swelling with plush, premium products. When you have a family of Defenders, you get the stretch back, says McGovern."

We will have to wait and see:D

[MrLandy]

He is a bit more from LR

"McGovern believes that the Discovery name could have as much equity as the Range Rover one in future when there is a full range of models, something he also believes to be true of the next-gen Defender range.

This new Defender family will ensure that functional Land Rovers won't disappear from a line-up swelling with plush, premium products. When you have a family of Defenders, you get the stretch back, says McGovern."

We will have to wait and see:D

Yup, wait is all we can do. ..but the cultural phenomenon of Defender and its rising prices is fascinating.

[Robmacca]

Here's the cheapest TD5 that I've seen on CarSales to date:
2000 Land Rover Defender X-Treme Manual 4x4 - $15,000 (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-4246670?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA)

[SSmith]

Here's the cheapest TD5 that I've seen on CarSales to date:
2000 Land Rover Defender X-Treme Manual 4x4 - $15,000 (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-4246670?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA)

If i was in the market for a wagon id be all over it.

A dual cab TD5 130 went for $8600 on ebay just over a week ago.

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[DiscoMick]

Reckon you're dreaming brother. If it's priced below Disco Sport it will be a soft roader. ...that's effectively what hilux is now. If so, it won't be a Defender in my book.
They're said they have to beat the Hilux to successfully conquer the market, so that means they will have to price it similarly to the Hilux and its main rivals.

[ozscott]

Td5 was better for enthusiast home mechanics anyway so $10k_$13k for a 2000 Td5 Extreme with 200k on it is both good value AND, wait for it in the Red Book range of private seller values... Cheers

[MrLandy]

They're said they have to beat the Hilux to successfully conquer the market, so that means they will have to price it similarly to the Hilux and its main rivals.

Yeah, I know, they've said a lot of things without really saying anything. ...I very much doubt there will be a heavy duty Defender for $40K, given all their other pricing levels. If it is a dualcab direct competitor to Hilux, it won't be a Defender. ...thus current Defenders will increase in value IMO.

[DiscoMick]

Yeah, I know, they've said a lot of things without really saying anything. ...I very much doubt there will be a heavy duty Defender for $40K, given all their other pricing levels. If it is a dualcab direct competitor to Hilux, it won't be a Defender. ...thus current Defenders will increase in value IMO.
You could be right. Only time will tell, I suppose.

[MrLandy]

You could be right. Only time will tell, I suppose.

You could be right too Mick. It's a fascinating and probably unprecedented situation. Cheers

[DiscoMick]

It is. Gives us something to speculate about, as we watch the value of our Defenders keep rising.

[Geary]

I'm curious that this 110 hasn't sold yet as it seems quite cheap. There's another similar 110 advertised that's a repaired write off supposedly had a lay down resulting in panel damage but has been inspected and registered for a couple of years since. Any thoughts on this? Would you buy a repaired write off and if so what sort of discount would you expect?

2012 Land Rover Defender MY11 110 Limited Edition (4x4) White 6 Speed Manual Wagon on Gumtree 2012 Land Rover Defender MY11 110 Limited Edition (4x4) White 6 Speed Manual Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Canterbury Area - Kingsgrove | 1122137292 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1122137292)

[ozscott]

No no it's worth $60k

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[DiscoMick]

If it's a 2012 how can it be a Td5?

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[MrLandy]

Looks like a bargain, but something a bit phishy? The engine pic is of a 2.4 puma.

[Babs]

Yeah it's from Roselands the Canterbury area, that's Cut n Shut Capital ❗️

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[cuppabillytea]

I'd be checking the Chassis Number very carefully.

[1nando]

Ive noticed Stefan has his td5 for sale online for 75k. Theres a lot of quality items on that vehicle, is it worth the 75k?
Me thinks its a bit pricey considering its a td5, 10 years old and the fact that it is so heavily modified actually doesn't do it any favors either making less attractive to those who like the idea of being able to modify to their own taste.

Thoughts?

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[mitchfarina]

Hello all i'am wanting to get some advice on a purchase
iam looking at next week it is in brisbane its a 1994 defender 300tdi it has 176000 on the clock and in reasonably nice condition alloy wheels and all terain tiars other than that its pritty stock they are asking $17999 is that fair enough and if so dose anyone know of a good mechanic in brisbane cbd that would have a look at it for me .

[manic]

Hello all i'am wanting to get some advice on a purchase
iam looking at next week it is in brisbane its a 1994 defender 300tdi it has 176000 on the clock and in reasonably nice condition alloy wheels and all terain tiars other than that its pritty stock they are asking $17999 is that fair enough and if so dose anyone know of a good mechanic in brisbane cbd that would have a look at it for me .

Stock with only 176,000km on the clock it certainly has the potential to get that price. BUT, it would need a log book and service history to verify. Then there's rust. Check chassis and bulkhead/footwells! Any holes, fibre/filler or dodgy patch welds and it's starting to sound way over priced. Is it a 110?

For registered/roadworthy defender TDI's I reckon the price range in today's 'crazy' market is $10,000 - $30,000 depending on condition. For the top dollar it would have to be immaculate, rust free, well documented, low km example (super rare!).

[scarry]

MR auto are the guys you need to have a look at it,phone 07 32846688.

The vehicle may have to be taken to them.

What suburb is the vehicle located in?

[steane]

Stock with only 176,000km on the clock it certainly has the potential to get that price. BUT, it would need a log book and service history to verify. Then there's rust. Check chassis and bulkhead/footwells! Any holes, fibre/filler or dodgy patch welds and it's starting to sound way over priced. Is it a 110?

For registered/roadworthy defender TDI's I reckon the price range in today's 'crazy' market is $10,000 - $30,000 depending on condition. For the top dollar it would have to be immaculate, rust free, well documented, low km example (super rare!).

I don't think $30k is the ceiling to be honest and I believe the prices of the truly very good Tdis (low kms or refurbished) will continue to rise, provided they are running original drivetrains and have had nothing but cosmetic modifications.

300Tdis will be able to be exported to the US from 2019 onwards and provided they are original ie right engine, gearbox, axles, uncut chassis etc, they will be eligible for road rego.

The rest of the world has a big appetite for the 300Tdi, arguably more so than any other Defender and prices of the very good ones are going to keep rising.

I'm seriously considering stockpiling a few unmolested ones, if only there was enough time to get out there and sift through all the rubbish.

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If you can get an original good 300TDi for $17k it is good buying if you get it checked out and there is nothing major required. It's low kms but the reality is everything on it is half worn out and 20 years old.

Bit glass half empty...but realistic.;)

[Geary]

Nice TD5 for sale

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2002/SSE-AD-4297574/?Cr=3

[DiscoMick]

Certainly well equipped. Despite the age the kms are not bad.

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[ATH]

Actually that's quite low mileage for it's years and as has been said if well maintained may well be a good buy.
I really can't see these high prices on Carsales that others are saying exist. There doesn't appear to be anything extraordinary about most....... so mine will possibly (haven't made the Cooks mind up yet :mad:) be advertised in the NY at a hugely exorbitant price to test the market.
Everythings negotiable of course but what can be assured is that it's been well over serviced but I don't mind doing that as the Cook can use the oil to fry eggs if she runs out.......:D
AlanH.

[Geary]

You must not be looking too hard. A quick search and I see a handful of 110 models that are 18mth old and advertised for $20k more than new rrp.

[ozscott]

Pop culture

[aj90]

Our Stock (http://www.hunters.guildford.landrover.co.uk/approved-used-vehicles/stock)

$80K for a 110 Adventure...same old same old back in the mother country too

:o

[DiscoMick]

34,000 pounds for one with 20,000 miles. Is that about $60,000?

[Tombie]

34,000 pounds for one with 20,000 miles. Is that about $60,000?



And 20,000 salted road miles.

Certainly wouldn't be buying one!

[ozscott]

No way.

Cheers

[Geary]

Curious to hear what the peanut gallery think a 2012 110 with 80k kms in stock condition with ARB bar and 2nd battery and no damage but Revs show that it was a repairable write off. Owner says it was the previous owner that did the repair and it was panel damage from a rollover. Roadworthy came up with no problems and although he didn't know it was a RWO at the time he said he didn't notice any issues. Its too far away for me to inspect easily but looks in good nick. I'm in NSW so walked away at first but have since been told by the RMS that as it has been registered in QLD for a year it can be transferred to NSW with a blue slip inspection. Cheers.

[Andrew86]

Owner says it was the previous owner that did the repair and it was panel damage from a rollover.

I wouldn't touch it personally, unless it was very cheap. A rollover is pretty serious.

[Geary]

What would you consider very cheap and can you elaborate on why a rollover being repaired would possibly be compromised? cheers

[Babs]

What would you consider very cheap and can you elaborate on why a rollover being repaired would possibly be compromised? cheers



I would never touch a rollover, I don't see anyone reputable buying a repairable rollover, it's going to be someone looking for a quick buck.

Peace of mind would never allow me to make a decision like that. It's not until you buy and own when everything comes out of the wood works.

But hey if your happy saving money and are prepared to take the gamble then no one is going to stop you.

It's not like you'd be able to tell if things don't line up on a Defender anyway :o [emoji15]

[scarry]

If you need to sell it one day,finding a buyer for a vehicle with that kind of history may be difficult.

[Geary]

�� surely there's a price that would make it worthwhile? Or are they just unrepairable? I figured if there was a certain risk then one could assume that you would need to redo that part of the repair and adjust the price accordingly I.e cost of repair plus a discount for the effort.

[frantic]

If the repair was done well, it could possibly be better than a factory delivered defender! :D
The reason written off vehicles where not allowed to be re-registered in NSW was cars being re birthed, so a blue XYZ gets crushed and a dodgy repairer buys the crushed vehicle as well as getting a thief to flog an identical year/model to which he fits the comp plate of the crushed car and changes or swaps the engine number/chassis numbers around. Now bingo here is a fully rebuilt XYZ worth 30-80k thats cost him the scrap value and the thief's fee.
Other more sophisticated ones would import the stolen cars to match the written off plates, and then onsell them.

If its being in a rollover, check the chassis for cracks/bends, but in reality a lot of defenders have their full weight resting on a tiny section of chassis rail when hung up offroad. It really comes down to the speed of the rollover and the attitude of the insurance company. There have been instances I've heard of a defender being written off because the rear chassis member was bent after being run into, when we all know its either a simple cut and weld in a new section , or buy a whole new galv one from the UK and replace, which would cost less than a complete write off.

Depending upon the quality of the repair, aim for about 10% to maybe more than 25% below an equivalent original defender.

[Babs]

If it has been written off that means it wasn't fixed under insurance.

If had been fixed under insurance then it would have went to a specialist, so then the repair might be ok.

Like I said no one reputable would be buying it to fix it to do you a favour, normally those unethical type like mentioned above.

And yes it will be extremely difficult to move it on if you ever have to.

There is plenty of vehicles to choose from out there don't go gambling with this, advising you like a family member.

[Andrew86]

What would you consider very cheap and can you elaborate on why a rollover being repaired would possibly be compromised? cheers

Honestly, I just wouldn't buy it at all. Defenders bend an awful lot when they end up on their roofs and I don't have much faith in collision repairers to fix even minor blemishes to a reasonable standard, let alone that much damage.

Of course, I'm saying all of this knowing very little about the car or its condition. If the price is right to you and you've had someone qualified look over it then you should make your own mind up. Even a bent Defender will hold its value better than most modern vehicles :)


If it has been written off that means it wasn't fixed under insurance.

Something worth noting is that the insurance company would have likely used historical Redbook numbers when making the decision to write off the vehicle (probably at $25-$30k). Given the rise in prices in the last 12 months, it may well have become economical to do a proper (above board) repair of the vehicle and sell it on while still making a few dollars in the process.

[Pickles2]

Normally I wouldn't touch something like this, BUT, if I could find out what damage the vehicle had suffered, see some pics, talk to the repairer etc, it might make some difference, but If I couldn't get any details, I'd walk away.
Pickles.

[Geary]

If the repair was done well, it could possibly be better than a factory delivered defender! :D
The reason written off vehicles where not allowed to be re-registered in NSW was cars being re birthed, so a blue XYZ gets crushed and a dodgy repairer buys the crushed vehicle as well as getting a thief to flog an identical year/model to which he fits the comp plate of the crushed car and changes or swaps the engine number/chassis numbers around. Now bingo here is a fully rebuilt XYZ worth 30-80k thats cost him the scrap value and the thief's fee.
Other more sophisticated ones would import the stolen cars to match the written off plates, and then onsell them.

If its being in a rollover, check the chassis for cracks/bends, but in reality a lot of defenders have their full weight resting on a tiny section of chassis rail when hung up offroad. It really comes down to the speed of the rollover and the attitude of the insurance company. There have been instances I've heard of a defender being written off because the rear chassis member was bent after being run into, when we all know its either a simple cut and weld in a new section , or buy a whole new galv one from the UK and replace, which would cost less than a complete write off.

Depending upon the quality of the repair, aim for about 10% to maybe more than 25% below an equivalent original defender.

This is what I was thinking really. He's agreed to $20k which is less than half the price most are advertised for which makes it tempting but also makes me suspicious! Cheers for the opinions and advice.

[ozscott]

Guys Defender 2 is coming... LR has confirmed the design locked in. Yes it will be a Very different vehicle and some may hold that they prefer the older type... Fair one, but I reckon if people are willing to wait then Deefer 1 prices will settle lower. They will still, for good reason, hold good values but just not IMHO anything like what people are profiteering at now. Cheers

[Geary]

Source?

[Pickles2]

Guys Defender 2 is coming... LR has confirmed the design locked in. Yes it will be a Very different vehicle and some may hold that they prefer the older type... Fair one, but I reckon if people are willing to wait then Deefer 1 prices will settle lower. They will still, for good reason, hold good values but just not IMHO anything like what people are profiteering at now. Cheers
IMHO, I think that what you are saying could well be true, but really depends upon how good the "New" Defender is.
Pickles.

[ozscott]

Source?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a31000/new-land-rover-defender-2018/

Thanks Tombie.

[Tombie]

news/a31000/new-land-rover-defender-2018/



Please fix link :)

[Andrew86]

I reckon if people are willing to wait then Deefer 1 prices will settle lower. They will still, for good reason, hold good values but just not IMHO anything like what people are profiteering at now.

You make it sound as though people buy Defenders because there's nothing better around. They've been totally obsolete for years but people still love them. I'm confident that wherever JLR takes the Defender name next will have little to no impact on prices of the originals :)

[ozscott]

We must all wait and see. We are all just giving our best guess. Cheers

[DutchMick]

Hi guys, new here (see my intro overhere: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=2599460#post2599176)
I'm not in Australia as of yet so not able to check out any car myself although I would need an expert to look at it anyway as I am not an expert (yet ;) ) Will arrive in Canberra in 3 months time.

I'm in search of 130 to build up as our weekend warrior with the intention to set it up with a canopy in the rear. Car doesn't have to be 'perfect' but if in need of extensive/expensive repairs price should reflect it. Aim is to drive it and keep her running/improve her on the go. Will not be daily driver.

Saw this 130 on CarSales: 2001 Land Rover Defender Manual 4x4 MY02 (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-4242737)

Was wondering if anyone might know this one or has a thought about it?
I guess with that mileage some stuff will be up for maintenance. Any feedback is welcome.

On the other side of the spectrum (?) we have something like this: 1995 Land Rover Defender Dual Cab Ute 300TDi | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Burnie-Devonport Region - Central Coast | 1126562596 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/central-coast/cars-vans-utes/1995-land-rover-defender-dual-cab-ute-300tdi/1126562596)

This one needs extensive work I guess... If the price is right it does't have to be an issue to install a revision gearbox and transfer case (I guess?)

Looking forward to your feedback !

[DutchMick]

Hi, Anyone an opinion or advise on the previous post? Or am I in the wrong thread?

[FV1601]

Hi DutchMick, I would recommend starting a thread of your own, you may get a wider audience.
Good luck, and welcome to Australia.
Rich.

[Tombie]

Is Chops still selling his DCPU? May be worth getting in touch!

[Steve223]

Ive noticed Stefan has his td5 for sale online for 75k. Theres a lot of quality items on that vehicle, is it worth the 75k?
Me thinks its a bit pricey considering its a td5, 10 years old and the fact that it is so heavily modified actually doesn't do it any favors either making less attractive to those who like the idea of being able to modify to their own taste.

Thoughts?

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I guess that depends on what you after and how much money you have to spent. The build cost me around 120k and that's with labour at mates rate and a bit trial and error.

While I think it's worth it I don't expect to get it but also quite undecided about selling in general so just testing the waters

[1nando]

I guess that depends on what you after and how much money you have to spent. The build cost me around 120k and that's with labour at mates rate and a bit trial and error.

While I think it's worth it I don't expect to get it but also quite undecided about selling in general so just testing the waters

I completely understand that and its the right time to be testing the waters with current defender prices comanding good returns on investment with little depreciation.
I wish you luck mate

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[Pickles2]

There must still be a few new or near new Defenders for sale.
We were at Barry Bourke's (Berwick) last night for an HSV Owner's Club Meeting.
Next door is Melbourne's newest JLR Dealership, so wondered over for a look,...there were two new/almost new Defenders outside, both well optioned.
One was (pretty sure) a new one (spotless in wheel arches), dark grey with black roof, black/brown premium seats, sawtooths, side runners, winch etc etc, marked "Sold".
The other was white with a black top...again two tone premium seats, dual finish alloys, side runners, cold climate option, done about 2000ks. Funny thing was, there was some old sales display stuff in the car showing a price of $61990, but the car was for sale at $68990!!
I thought it was a bit unusual to see two Highly optioned new/nearly new Defenders for sale/just sold etc in a JLR dealership at this late stage?
Pickles.

[Geary]

2016 Land Rover Defender Manual AWD MY16 (http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2016/OAG-AD-13065742/?gts=OAG-AD-13065742&gtssaleid=OAG-AD-13065742&Cr=5&rankingType=)

110 with 28kms and "GET PRICE*" from a stealer

http://www.carsales.com.au/gallery/SSE-AD-4194839/Image?index=0&wt.z_driver=
90 with 113kms and $80k!! private sale

There's a few more <5k klms for premium prices too

[Pickles2]

2016 Land Rover Defender Manual AWD MY16 (http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2016/OAG-AD-13065742/?gts=OAG-AD-13065742&gtssaleid=OAG-AD-13065742&Cr=5&rankingType=)

110 with 28kms and "GET PRICE*" from a stealer

http://www.carsales.com.au/gallery/SSE-AD-4194839/Image?index=0&wt.z_driver=
90 with 113kms and $80k!! private sale

There's a few more <5k klms for premium prices too
Yes, the super low K vehicles still fetch good money don't they!
Pickles.

[Geary]

Yes, the super low K vehicles still fetch good money don't they!
Pickles.

They still "ask" good money. I'd say they're fetching good money too but not $80k for a 90 generally speaking. I'm not surprised that the "mothballed" units have come out of the woodwork as the increase in prices has stalled and in my observation, the price has fallen from its peak prompting the push to get a hold of the premium while it remains.

[Andrew86]

The other was white with a black top...again two tone premium seats, dual finish alloys, side runners, cold climate option, done about 2000ks. Funny thing was, there was some old sales display stuff in the car showing a price of $61990, but the car was for sale at $68990!!

I think that's actually quite a reasonable price for a near new 110, particularly if it's an MY16 with so few kms. The only other late model 110s for sale under 70k have significantly higher milage.

As for prices more generally. I think it's fair to say that things have levelled off, but I haven't noticed a reversal.

[Pickles2]

I think that's actually quite a reasonable price for a near new 110, particularly if it's an MY16 with so few kms. The only other late model 110s for sale under 70k have significantly higher milage.

As for prices more generally. I think it's fair to say that things have levelled off, but I haven't noticed a reversal.
Both of the vehicles I spoke of were 90s.
Pickles.

[Geary]

I think that's actually quite a reasonable price for a near new 110, particularly if it's an MY16 with so few kms. The only other late model 110s for sale under 70k have significantly higher milage.

As for prices more generally. I think it's fair to say that things have levelled off, but I haven't noticed a reversal.

IMO the prices of other advertised vehicles doesn't determine whether or not its a reasonable price to ask. They could all be unreasonable!

As for reversal, a couple of months back you couldn't get a puma under $45k and now there's quite a few that have gone through in the 30's and they're not exactly getting snatched up even then. A good example would be the 2013 110 w/~80k kms that's now advertised for $45k and hasn't sold despite being advertised for a while. Pretty decent buy and perhaps is further evidence towards my first point as there are plenty of 2013 models advertised for a lot more so I would argue that those ad prices are not reasonable by evidence. ;)

[scarry]

There has been a 110 at the Springwood dealer in the sales yard, for the last couple of weeks,looks brand new,if anyone is interested.

Don't know what they want for it.

[Andrew86]

IMO the prices of other advertised vehicles doesn't determine whether or not its a reasonable price to ask. They could all be unreasonable!

We know that there have been plenty of late model 110s selling for $70k+ lately based on the first hand information shared in this thread. Everyone gets to make up their own mind about whether or not that's reasonable. When there are only seven 2015+ 110s available in the entire country though, the prices of what's available does come into play.


As for reversal, a couple of months back you couldn't get a puma under $45k and now there's quite a few that have gone through in the 30's and they're not exactly getting snatched up even then. A good example would be the 2013 110 w/~80k kms that's now advertised for $45k and hasn't sold despite being advertised for a while. Pretty decent buy and perhaps is further evidence towards my first point as there are plenty of 2013 models advertised for a lot more so I would argue that those ad prices are not reasonable by evidence. ;)

Of the 47 Puma (2007+) 110s currently for sale, only 14 are under $45k. 6 of those are two-door utes, the other 8 have between 115,000 and 200,000kms on the clock. Personally, I don't see much to choose from there nor do I see much to indicate that good cars are any cheaper now than they were.

This is a small market in a slow economy so cars will naturally sit around waiting for a buyer for a little while. We can scoff at some of the prices being asked, but it only takes one person with a checkbook to decide a price isn't silly :)

[carlschmid2002]

Something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay or what it would cost you to replace it, whether that is your home, a car or anything. I love Defenders and personally wouldn't pay these prices but I understand if you do.

[Is Vic There]

There has been a 110 at the Springwood dealer in the sales yard, for the last couple of weeks,looks brand new,if anyone is interested.

Don't know what they want for it.

They have recently sold a 90 Heritage for over $100K, it was an ex LR Australia press car with 8,000km!

I've booked mine in for service there and got chatting to the service manager.

[Pickles2]

They have recently sold a 90 Heritage for over $100K, it was an ex LR Australia press car with 8,000km!

I've booked mine in for service there and got chatting to the service manager.
HUGE money.
Pickles.

[Fotomarty]

Hi, just wanted to add, I'm a new Defender owner after researching and losing on many auction sites for over three years... any guesses

I recently "won" a Ex Gov Desert Rescue 1998 300Tdi with 19,000 k's on the clock. garaged one owner! In very New as Old Stock condition.
I'm a Inner Sydney Urban Cowboy, with a few thousand km's to clock up.
I'll post as the adventure continues...

Marty

[ozscott]

2008 110 in as new condition with 139k. A few accessories. Dealer car so stat warranty. Qld. $34,500. Probably have them shave a grand or 2 odd that also although if you paid more than 30k it's probably too much. Cheers

[4wheeler]

I have just seen my old 2007 Defender 110 for sale. It has moved from Victoria to Queensland.

I was pleased to see that the owner has obviously looked after it. Also many other accessories added. It now has an additional 80,000km on it.

I hope the next custodian also looks after it.

[ATH]

Mine will be on carsales after Jan '17 as we have a club trip to do before selling it.
All the stealers men reckon I'll get a good price for it but all they want to do is flog me a new D4..... which they may do once I've got an idea of all the costs involved in getting it the way I want it. Including replacement wheel and tyres......:o
"First to see will buy" 2010 Deafener etc etc. "Only driven by little old man and never off road" :angel:
AlanH.

[Greg4427]

Mine will be on carsales after Jan '17 as we have a club trip to do before selling it.
All the stealers men reckon I'll get a good price for it but all they want to do is flog me a new D4..... which they may do once I've got an idea of all the costs involved in getting it the way I want it. Including replacement wheel and tyres......:o
"First to see will buy" 2010 Deafener etc etc. "Only driven by little old man and never off road" :angel:
AlanH.

Did they offer you a decent price as a trade-in lol? I'm also considering a new D4 TDV6 with rear locker as one of the options. Also worried about the limited range of 19" off road wheels/tyres. Not convinced I'm in the demographics for the new D5!

[ATH]

Actually I didn't bother asking for their stupid Redbook price, can't all the humming and harring, the pursed lips, the head shaking and the bull**** carsalesman love to come out with about "limited market etc etc.
I'd prefer to take my chances with some of the complete tossers that think they'll go for a quick bush bashing trip. I've got news for them. :D
I even had a bloke wanting to Bush bash a Prado I flogged turn up with kids and a dog......
I haven't bothered with the rear locker as a local independent who has a D3 doesn't reckon they're necessary.
I went for the D4 as the new "Discovery" (Salesman aren't allowed to say "D5" apparently....) looks a bit hair dresser type thing to me.
AlanH.

[ozscott]

Actually I didn't bother asking for their stupid Redbook price, can't all the humming and harring, the pursed lips, the head shaking and the bull**** carsalesman love to come out with about "limited market etc etc.
I'd prefer to take my chances with some of the complete tossers that think they'll go for a quick bush bashing trip. I've got news for them. :D
I even had a bloke wanting to Bush bash a Prado I flogged turn up with kids and a dog......
I haven't bothered with the rear locker as a local independent who has a D3 doesn't reckon they're necessary.
I went for the D4 as the new "Discovery" (Salesman aren't allowed to say "D5" apparently....) looks a bit hair dresser type thing to me.
AlanH.
Yes I think the saying is "it looks a bit Evoque" which is synonymous for "hairdresser's car". [emoji16]

[ATH]

Saw a white Evoque yesterday north of Perth..... "EVOQATIVE" or some such nonsense. :p
AlanH.

[Iain_B]

I've put mine for sale up on Carsales, as we don't need two touring vehicles. I'm selling it with all the touring/camping gear included and all the spares as well. We will see what the real market price is soon enough, mine has almost every possible upgrade and accessory, so it will be interesting to see how people look at it compared to a untouched 110.

[Pickles2]

I've put mine for sale up on Carsales, as we don't need two touring vehicles. I'm selling it with all the touring/camping gear included and all the spares as well. We will see what the real market price is soon enough, mine has almost every possible upgrade and accessory, so it will be interesting to see how people look at it compared to a untouched 110.
Iain,..have you a link to the ad?
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

After trawling through the ads on carsales.com.au I reckon I could list our Defender for about $8-10,000 more than I paid for it, which is nice to know, but it's not for sale.:cool:

[weeds]

Iain,..have you a link to the ad?

Pickles.



Good chance it's this one
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2011/SSE-AD-4395865

[DiscoMick]

Good chance it's this one
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2011/SSE-AD-4395865

Nice vehicle.

[pommy]

I've put mine for sale up on Carsales, as we don't need two touring vehicles. I'm selling it with all the touring/camping gear included and all the spares as well. We will see what the real market price is soon enough, mine has almost every possible upgrade and accessory, so it will be interesting to see how people look at it compared to a untouched 110.

G'day Iain due you mind me asking who did your roll cage roof rack looks good and what I would like to do to mine . Good luck with your sale too nice car .

[Iain_B]

I got the Safety Devices 10 point roll cage, but I did not fit the internal bar so that makes it the 6 point roll cage version. MR Automotive fitted it. Took them two days to do it, but they did a good job, the cage goes right down to the chassis, inside the panels. It really transformed the car, hardly any rattles and so much stiffer.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/157.jpg

[pommy]

Thanks heaps Iain looks the goods better see how much it's going to cost me did you buy it direct from safety devices ?

[carlschmid2002]

I have seen Daniel from 'Expedition Centre" in Sydney fit one of these to a 90.

[Babs]

I got the Safety Devices 10 point roll cage, but I did not fit the internal bar so that makes it the 6 point roll cage version. MR Automotive fitted it. Took them two days to do it, but they did a good job, the cage goes right down to the chassis, inside the panels. It really transformed the car, hardly any rattles and so much stiffer.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/157.jpg



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It's making me want to own one again, ha ha ha [emoji3] :)

Awesome [emoji106] Rig.

[cuppabillytea]

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It's making me want to own one again, ha ha ha [emoji3] :)

Awesome [emoji106] Rig.

Too late. You've gone to the Dark Side.:twisted:

[Iain_B]

Sold my Defender, and got a reasonable price for it. Had to drop the price slightly but I thought I was pushing it a bit anyway. Sold to a great guy who already has a Defender, he bought mine for his parents so they could all drive around Australia together. I hope he has as much fun with it as we have.

[Pickles2]

An Aussie record??!!
A Heritage 90 listed for $123,000!!
A bit of an "earn" in this one!
Pickles

[ozscott]

Now that's absurd. Cheers

[catch-22]

Tell 'im he's dreamin'

[Is Vic There]

An Aussie record??!!
A Heritage 90 listed for $123,000!!
A bit of an "earn" in this one!
Pickles

I really hope he gets it! Considering one went for $105K

[catch-22]

105k for a 35k car is ludicrous [emoji41][emoji16]

[Shoogs]

105k for a 35k car is ludicrous [emoji41][emoji16]


Not if your the one successfully selling...


Defenders are the most stolen car in Europe according to some reports, though obviously not for high speed getaways...

[ozscott]

Probably cause they are easy to steel. All you do is follow the drops of oil to recover it though. Cheers

[scarry]

Probably cause they are easy to steel. All you do is follow the drops of oil to recover it though. Cheers

parts would also sell quickly as they always need ....... parts:D:p

[Shoogs]

And you thought Australian prices were slightly ridiculous...


Available Stock | East Coast Defender (http://eastcoastdefender.com/defender-stock/)

[Greg4427]

Be interesting to see what happens with their value when the new defender arrives in 2018/19! By all accounts the new tech and ladderless body plus clone looks will play a part.

[mwbrydon]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2016/SSE-AD-4599108/?Cr=5)

[mwbrydon]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2016/SSE-AD-4599108/?Cr=5)

[Pickles2]

Big dollars, I think the owners will have that one for a long time.
Pickles.

[seaweed]

Certainly a one off, probably worth every cent. The build date is August 2016. Production ceased January, 2016. Cheers..

[Eevo]

Certainly a one off,


only a once off if it has straight panels.

[Graekynn]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2016/SSE-AD-4599108/?Cr=5)


Ambitious asking price for a bog stock ex-demo

[Jake93]

Very frustrating to see things like this whilst in the market for a defender:


https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glenhaven/cars-vans-utes/land-rover-defender-90/1141980770


I looked at this car 2 weeks ago from the original seller who was in Canberra but had trouble getting my finance sorted in time and trying to decide if I really wanted a white one, but I was very close to buying it and its listed price was $44,000 on Carsales.

Not less than a week later this add above pops up of the car in Sydney for $56,000!!! [bighmmm] whilst I don't think he will ever get $56,000 which would be a 12,000 profit (not bad for a weeks work), its just infuriating that people do this when people like me are actually genuinely looking.

Rant over.

[Robmacca]

Wait a bit longer and u will probably see it come back to a realistic price.... if the guy is actually serious about selling it. I reckon he's not though looking at that price.


Very frustrating to see things like this whilst in the market for a defender:


https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glenhaven/cars-vans-utes/land-rover-defender-90/1141980770


I looked at this car 2 weeks ago from the original seller who was in Canberra but had trouble getting my finance sorted in time and trying to decide if I really wanted a white one, but I was very close to buying it and its listed price was $44,000 on Carsales.

Not less than a week later this add above pops up of the car in Sydney for $56,000!!! [bighmmm] whilst I don't think he will ever get $56,000 which would be a 12,000 profit (not bad for a weeks work), its just infuriating that people do this when people like me are actually genuinely looking.

Rant over.

[Pickles2]

Very frustrating to see things like this whilst in the market for a defender:


https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glenhaven/cars-vans-utes/land-rover-defender-90/1141980770


I looked at this car 2 weeks ago from the original seller who was in Canberra but had trouble getting my finance sorted in time and trying to decide if I really wanted a white one, but I was very close to buying it and its listed price was $44,000 on Carsales.

Not less than a week later this add above pops up of the car in Sydney for $56,000!!! [bighmmm] whilst I don't think he will ever get $56,000 which would be a 12,000 profit (not bad for a weeks work), its just infuriating that people do this when people like me are actually genuinely looking.

Rant over.
That is a bit disppointing.
But don't give up, there's quite a few Defenders around the original price you mention, so if you keep on it, I'm sure you'll get something suitable for you.
Good Luck, Pickles.

[ozscott]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2016/SSE-AD-4599108/?Cr=5)
Haha. What a BARGAIN! Cheers

[chuck]

My son recently sold his Corris Gray 90 that had nearly every option except sunroof for $56K.

Not bad considering he paid $58 brand new for it 18 months previously & had done 48000km.

Mind you he did not want to sell it but a future addition to the family saw it as the only practical option.

Could not replace it with a 110 due to price.

[DiscoMick]

Definitely overpriced. There are others at realistic prices. Keep looking.

[ATH]

I've had mine on carsales for a month now at 44.5K with no serious inquiries. Yes it's done a few more than average kays but it's also had all servicing done at half intervals and the drive line fixed with axles, driven ends and output shaft replaced and generally well looked after. The cook loves it so I wasn't allowed to even give it the occasional kick.....[bigsad]
I took it off gumtree as that site seems infested with loonies....."Will you swap my Nissan for it"!!! Then there's always the blind ones who ask the price! It's in the adv. you idiot.
Selling anything is a real trial I find. Plus they object when I ask to see their license. [bigsmile1]
Do people really think they're going to be allowed to drive like maniacs (normal standard for most) with no ID just because it's a private sale? Car yards wouldn't let them and nor will I even if they say they're a copper as one did on a previous sale.
AlanH.

[DiscoMick]

Prices being asked on carsales seem to be inflated by at least 20% from what I have seen, maybe more.

[Pickles2]

I've had mine on carsales for a month now at 44.5K with no serious inquiries. Yes it's done a few more than average kays but it's also had all servicing done at half intervals and the drive line fixed with axles, driven ends and output shaft replaced and generally well looked after. The cook loves it so I wasn't allowed to even give it the occasional kick.....[bigsad]
I took it off gumtree as that site seems infested with loonies....."Will you swap my Nissan for it"!!! Then there's always the blind ones who ask the price! It's in the adv. you idiot.
Selling anything is a real trial I find. Plus they object when I ask to see their license. [bigsmile1]
Do people really think they're going to be allowed to drive like maniacs (normal standard for most) with no ID just because it's a private sale? Car yards wouldn't let them and nor will I even if they say they're a copper as one did on a previous sale.
AlanH.
Yes, there are definitely some idiots about. I remember years ago when I was selling an HDT Commodore, some idiot rang me & told me that my car was currently burning on a local footy field!!! (At the time it was locked up in our garage).
If I'm selling a car privately, any potential buyer is not allowed a drive, until we have agreed on price, and a substantial cash deposit is in my possession.
I'm very particular about how I look after/present our cars, & ya know what, serious buyers seem happy to just have a good look at the car, they don't even ask for a drive. I sold an HSV GTO to a guy in Grafton, sight unseen (well He saw the pics on Carsales), He sent me a deposit, was going to come to Melb & drive it back,..I mentioned maybe not a good idea, stonechips etc, cost of flight, motel etc for him & wifey, best to put in an enclosed van & truck it up to him, which I did, at his cost. He was over the moon when He received it,..took it to his local Holden Dealer, He said half the staff came out to look at it! The last car we sold was a two year AMG Mercedes C63 which was IMMACULATE, done 24000ks. Ist buyer to look at it, bought it, not interested in a drive, He knew all about them, just said to me, "I know what they can do, I just want YOUR car"!
Pickles.

[ATH]

I'm not known for my lovable temperament and when I was flogging an ARB roof rack (I forget why) some years ago which cost something like 1250 bucks for 750 (immaculate condition) one weasel offered 250 as it was all he had. FFS who gives a turd how hard up you are? That ain't my fault.
Other offers were as nearly as bad..... so I cut it up and threw it out for the bulk rubbish collection. [bigsad]
Then there was the bloke (on this forum) who wanted me to send the 3rd row of seats to Melbourne (at my expence of course) so he could evaluate whether they were worth the 100 bucks I asked for them just to get rid of them. 15 months old and rarely used! A 2000 grand extra when vehicle new!
After this vehicle has gone I'm never ever selling another vehicle or anything at all privately..... it doesn't do my lovable character any good at all. And the Cook hates me for flogging it anyway and is refusing to cook for me...... [bawl]
I must have a cool drink and calm down. [bigsmile]
AlanH.

[ozscott]

Yep but if you are selling it's worth what people are willing to pay and not a cent more...

Cheers

[ATH]

Yep but if you are selling it's worth what people are willing to pay and not a cent more...

Cheers

Agreed but getting anyone to actually say what they feel it's worth is hopeless. Either they're flat broke or just aren't really interested, I don't know. If they want to bargain that's OK. I reckon all the silly stories of high prices are dreamed up by those who really haven't a clue...... and aren't in the market for another vehicle anyway.
Doesn't matter, I'm not giving it away but am willing to talk to anyone who knows Defenders and is interested in a well looked after vehicle.
AlanH.

[Ranga]

I'm not known for my lovable temperament and when I was flogging an ARB roof rack (I forget why) some years ago which cost something like 1250 bucks for 750 (immaculate condition) one weasel offered 250 as it was all he had. FFS who gives a turd how hard up you are? That ain't my fault.
Other offers were as nearly as bad..... so I cut it up and threw it out for the bulk rubbish collection.
Wow, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Why not take whatever you could get, or if not that, donating to some worthy recipient or cause? I can only imagine you've never been the recipient of a bargain or kind gesture...

[ATH]

I couldn't think of a charitable cause with a need for a 4 wheel drive vehicle roof rack. If they've got a 4by they don't need my help.

[Ranga]

But why cut it up? Why not offer it for free? Just sounds spiteful to me. Plenty of people are happy to give things away on AULRO.

Anyway, you made your choice...

[mojo]

So I see some TD5 Defenders for sale, roughly the same vintage as mine, in the mid to high $20k's. Are they actually selling for that price? A couple of years ago the asking price for these would have been $15-20k.


Cheers
Sean

[ATH]

"But why cut it up? Why not offer it for free? Just sounds spiteful to me. Plenty of people are happy to give things away on AULRO. " HAHAHAHA You've got to be joking!
I can just imagine the rush if I offered it for free.
I do support worthwhile charities but no way on earth would I give stuff for the Defender away.......
If I can't get a reasonable price for something, out it goes in an unusable state. Spiteful or not I couldn't give an FF what anyone thinks.
AlanH.

[El Rey]

"But why cut it up? Why not offer it for free? Just sounds spiteful to me. Plenty of people are happy to give things away on AULRO. " HAHAHAHA You've got to be joking!
I can just imagine the rush if I offered it for free.
I do support worthwhile charities but no way on earth would I give stuff for the Defender away.......
If I can't get a reasonable price for something, out it goes in an unusable state. Spiteful or not I couldn't give an FF what anyone thinks.
AlanH.

I think I know the feeling. I'm selling an engine for another marque and some guy made me an offer that was $2000 less than the asking price.
Even though this was a bit rich I counter-offered and he said he didn't negotiate - take it or leave it.

Even if I fell on hard times I would see that engine sunk to the bottom of the ocean before I'd sell it to that guy.

[Ranga]

Even if I fell on hard times I would see that engine sunk to the bottom of the ocean before I'd sell it to that guy.

Not wanting to selling someone with an insulting offer I can understand, but would you rather it go to scrap than a more worthy recipient? Principle aside, wouldn't getting whatever you can be a more pragmatic approach?

[D90 orkney]

Not wanting to selling someone with an insulting offer I can understand, but would you rather it go to scrap than a more worthy recipient? Principle aside, wouldn't getting whatever you can be a more pragmatic approach?


I agree with you.

I took out my rear window and thought it would be a pain to sell. Put it up for free pick up only. Better give it to someone then throw it out. One for the karma bank

[Pickles2]

I think I know the feeling. I'm selling an engine for another marque and some guy made me an offer that was $2000 less than the asking price.
Even though this was a bit rich I counter-offered and he said he didn't negotiate - take it or leave it.

Even if I fell on hard times I would see that engine sunk to the bottom of the ocean before I'd sell it to that guy.
I agree, some people think that attitude works (they think they can "crunch" you),....not with me. I'd rather find someone who really needed whatever it was, & if I thought they were genuine, I'd give it to them,.....and I've done that in the past.
Pickles.

[mr_squiggle]

I agree, some people think that attitude works (they think they can "crunch" you),....not with me. I'd rather find someone who really needed whatever it was, & if I thought they were genuine, I'd give it to them,.....and I've done that in the past.
Pickles.

And that's the key, don't reward the bad behaviour by caving into the person who wants to "crunch"'you. Rather, surprise someone who you believe deserves a leg up. We've all benefited from someone else's generosity either through goods or time so it's the right thing to do to pay it forward.
Being a grumpy bastard only rots your soul, not anyone else's.

[steane]

So I see some TD5 Defenders for sale, roughly the same vintage as mine, in the mid to high $20k's. Are they actually selling for that price? A couple of years ago the asking price for these would have been $15-20k.


Cheers
Sean

I know of a very nice 300Tdi wagon that recently sold for $28k, sight unseen, within a week of being advertised.

The key here is 'very nice'.

[ATH]

I can't cut the Defender up with the hacksaw as the cook would then get really upset, but no way am I flogging a very good vehicle for a stupid low price because of some Redbook pricing which doesn't take into account the extras and the care that's gone into it.
Plenty of peanuts, weirdos and plain time wasters out there but I'll give it another couple of weeks before taking it off the market. I may well return it to our main off road tourer to save the D4 getting scratched! [bigsmile1]
AlanH.

[rangieman]

I can't cut the Defender up with the hacksaw as the cook would then get really upset, but no way am I flogging a very good vehicle for a stupid low price because of some Redbook pricing which doesn't take into account the extras and the care that's gone into it.
Plenty of peanuts, weirdos and plain time wasters out there but I'll give it another couple of weeks before taking it off the market. I may well return it to our main off road tourer to save the D4 getting scratched! [bigsmile1]
AlanH.
If you want to sell it then sell it FFS
If you dont want to sell it dont it is that simple .
Really if your not up to dealing with perspective buyers give it to a car yard and live your life peacefully and happily .

[ATH]

Certainly I want to sell it although the cook would rather keep it than the D4...... and no way would I accept a yards extra low price and listen to their bull****. We're just surprised at the lack of decent response from prospective buyers.
Never before has it been this quiet....and we've sold 2 Defenders, Prado, a boat, caravan, camper in real quick time using carsales with decent prices. We've had to put up with some weirdos having a look but generally the genuine buyers have been OK.
Must be a sign of the times as even real estate sales have dropped off with prices sliding. Must be all those unsustainable grossly overpaid mine jobs disappearing that's done it! [bigsmile1]
AlanH.

[Grumbles]

On AULRO markets....? Is there a link to your advertisement?

[Eevo]

on the subject of buying cars, ive never paid asking price. 75% is about what I usually pay. its a buyers market.

[rangieman]

on the subject of buying cars, ive never paid asking price. 75% is about what I usually pay. its a buyers market.
Yes x2 the same [thumbsupbig]
And when im selling i always allow for the barter knowing it is easier to go down in price than up[wink11]

[mrb505]

I'd walk away if I thought a vehicle was 25% overpriced

[Eevo]

I'd walk away if I thought a vehicle was 25% overpriced

i take it you never been to south australiar to buy a car

[Pickles2]

I see a Heritage at $107500,.....I believe the owner will have it for a very long time.
Pickles.

[contacttom123]

G'day guys,
I'm keen to hear your opinions on the orange Defender 110 adventure edition currently advertised on carsales for $86k. It's 2015 model with 9 thousand km. Unmodified n never been off-road. The likely price when purchased new from dealer is 78k so the owner is making some profit. Price is firm. First owner. Vehicle based in Eastern suburbs of Sydney ie next to the beach.

Considering its limited edition n low mileage n unmodified , I'm considering it. But the price is a bit steep IMHO. This would be my first defender n first LR, so hoping to leverage some wisdom n experience from this forum. Let me know what you think! Many thanks,
tom

[ozscott]

Mate if you have money to burn and dont care that even the RRP for the limited edution was insane then go for it. Personally I think the price is a bad joke.

Cheers

[Pickles2]

contacttom123. Well, I reckon, if you like it,.....buy it.
Low K Defenders are fetching pretty good money as you can see by what's on car sales, not saying they're all making the asking price, but I know a couple of Defenders that've been sold for well over new price, and they weren't limited editions like this one is.
A friend of mine, who's on this forum has one the same as the one you're looking at, and He loves it. Beautiful leather interior. He's done a beautiful job of fitting side steps too!
We're on our first Defender too, but we've had a few "nice" cars, and if we've bought something S/H, then it has to be low k, original, with books etc, just like "your" Defender is.
I'm not sure about the new price, I think there might've been a bit of variety there, I'm sure some were sold over retail, but if you're a serious buyer you'll be wanting to see the purchase docs, invoice etc, so you'll be able to find out.
Anyway, that's just a few of my thoughts. Go & have a look,..AND BUY IT!!!....and keep us posted.
Good luck with your decision.
Pickles.

[JayBoRover]

Yes x2 the same [thumbsupbig]
And when im selling i always allow for the barter knowing it is easier to go down in price than up[wink11]
That reminds me of when I was selling a ute a few years ago. I was asking $25k and the guy on the phone asks if I'm negotiable on the price. (This was after his son had taken it for a test drive and had a good look over it, as his Dad was remote). I told him "yes of course I'm negotiable - everything is negotiable really. But I won't go over $27k … I'd be embarrassed to take any more than that." He laughed … we settled on $22.5k.

[Didge]

That reminds me of when I was selling a ute a few years ago. I was asking $25k and the guy on the phone asks if I'm negotiable on the price. (This was after his son had taken it for a test drive and had a good look over it, as his Dad was remote). I told him "yes of course I'm negotiable - everything is negotiable really. But I won't go over $27k … I'd be embarrassed to take any more than that." He laughed … we settled on $22.5k.

SEN BLOODY SATIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For $86K I'd wait for the new one to come out - I've always said the existing deefers will go the same way as the old series - sooner or later they'll become relics and no one will really want them but I'm hoping they'll become like split screen Kombi's and sell for around $100k+ to boost my super :)

[contacttom123]

Thanks for the input fellas.

I'm struggling to understand the features that distinguish an Adventure edition defender from that of a standard defender 110 of the same year (2015). I see that with the Adventure edition you get special paintwork, underbody protection, diamond cut wheels, blacked out bonnet and full leather interior. There must be other features I'm missing to justify the increased RRP right ?

[ozscott]

Yes Contacttomm you forgot the Hipster box that gets tucked by the dealer ( at least in my area of the world). 😁Cheers

[Pickles2]

Thanks for the input fellas.

I'm struggling to understand the features that distinguish an Adventure edition defender from that of a standard defender 110 of the same year (2015). I see that with the Adventure edition you get special paintwork, underbody protection, diamond cut wheels, blacked out bonnet and full leather interior. There must be other features I'm missing to justify the increased RRP right ?
Well, the Adventure is a limited edition, and one of a group of 3 last limited editions, Heritage, Adventure, & Autobiography(which we didn't get).
As it's a limited edition, it will have more value, & be more "special" to some enthusiasts. I think it is.
But, if "limited edition" doesn't affect your preference, then a good low k 110 in similar condition could probably be bought for less, in fact I notice one with lower ks on carsales, with a bit of extra gear on it, but me, I'd still prefer the Adventure.
Pickles.

[contacttom123]

Hi guys,
There is black 2013 defender 110 with low mileage based in Sydney and he is asking 63k. Decent price but has taken on some tough tracks by the look of the pictures. Among the mods is 30 mm wheel spacers- are these legal ? If so , do they adversely affect the vehicle in any way? I assume the spacers are required to accommodate the massive rubber. Thanks, tom

[JDNSW]

Hi guys,
There is black 2013 defender 110 with low mileage based in Sydney and he is asking 63k. Decent price but has taken on some tough tracks by the look of the pictures. Among the mods is 30 mm wheel spacers- are these legal ? If so , do they adversely affect the vehicle in any way? I assume the spacers are required to accommodate the massive rubber. Thanks, tom

No. And if the tyres are of a size to need them, it is unlikely the tyres are either - there are limits on the allowable increase in tyre size.

[manic]

Hi guys,
There is black 2013 defender 110 with low mileage based in Sydney and he is asking 63k. Decent price but has taken on some tough tracks by the look of the pictures. Among the mods is 30 mm wheel spacers- are these legal ? If so , do they adversely affect the vehicle in any way? I assume the spacers are required to accommodate the massive rubber. Thanks, tom

I see it on carsales. Be aware that the oversize flares in the first garage shots are not present on all the other photos. You cannot easily undo the oversize flares, they have been drilled into the body work. Spacers are not legal and huge rubber does not do the drive line/economy any favours. All the suspension mods are likely to make the on road ride worse (terriblyfirma).

If you are looking for an offroad play toy, and not using it as a tourer or to commute - it has a pretty good set up! But you could get a TDI/TD5 for much less, customise to your own preference and bash it a lot harder without wincing. And if on road is more of a consideration you can find unmolested PUMA's for that money. 2 cents.

[contacttom123]

G'day gents,

thanks for the previous opinions- very helpful. I'm still searching for my first defender and I'm wondering what your opinions are on the blue 2013 defender 110 currently advertised for $64k and has 59k km on the clock. Based in Penrith, Sydney. Has some useful mods; bullbar, light bar, roof rack, side steps and uhf. Not sure of previous history. Many thanks, tom.

[Tote]

59K would buy you a very nice Disco 4, just saying
We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/gallery/SSE-AD-4706835/Image?index=0&wt.z_driver=or)

maybe even a TDv8 RRS
We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/gallery/OAG-AD-14556236/Image?index=0&wt.z_driver=)
If you want a Defender because you want a Defender I'm not here to talk you out of it. If you want a capable 4wd buy the Disco 4 and enjoy the ride, it is every bit as capable as a Defender and significantly more comfortable.
If the thought of a v8 turbo diesel appeals then the RRS is for you. and although there are less accessories available it will go anywhere the D4 will and make an excellent noise while doing so.

I am very attached to my 130 but unfortunately LR never made a RRS TDV8 cab chassis..........

Just to reinforce that Defenders do look cool....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/869.jpg


Regards,
Tote

[jon3950]

Just to reinforce that Defenders do look cool....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/869.jpg

As if we needed any convincing of that, but any excuse to post a pic of a Defender. :thumbsup:

You make a good point about the D4 or RRS though. They're much more sensible vehicles and probably better value for money. Just not as cool.

Cheers,
Jon

[tact]

As if we needed any convincing of that, but any excuse to post a pic of a Defender. :thumbsup:

You make a good point about the D4 or RRS though. They're much more sensible vehicles and probably better value for money. Just not as cool.

Cheers,
Jon

Wow! The prices Defenders are fetching is crazy here in Oz. Largely the reason I am shipping mine over here instead of selling it in Malaysia and buying an equivalent model locally.

I bought my 2013 110DCPU brand new in 2013 for the equivalent to AU$43k. It looks like I could sell it now, 3yrs old, for significantly more $$ than I spent new!

[manic]

Wow! The prices Defenders are fetching is crazy here in Oz. Largely the reason I am shipping mine over here instead of selling it in Malaysia and buying an equivalent model locally.

I bought my 2013 110DCPU brand new in 2013 for the equivalent to AU$43k. It looks like I could sell it now, 3yrs old, for significantly more $$ than I spent new!

Im surprised you got it for 43k. I thought Malaysia had import taxes on foreign cars in the region of 200%!?

[tact]

Im surprised you got it for 43k. I thought Malaysia had import taxes on foreign cars in the region of 200%!?
That is correct for foreign passenger cars imported CBU. The DCPU is quite rightly classed as a commercial vehicle and were imported CKD, assembled/built in Malaysia. (By inokom in Kulim)

The defenders in KL don't have the cult following they seem to have in Oz. If I sold mine in KL I'd be lucky to get the equivalent of AU$30k. Would hate to then pay $50-60k in Oz to replace it!

[Chilly]

As if we needed any convincing of that, but any excuse to post a pic of a Defender. :thumbsup:

You make a good point about the D4 or RRS though. They're much more sensible vehicles and probably better value for money. Just not as cool.

Cheers,
Jon

Hmmm.....Listening to the sound of my TDV8 RRS as I give the throttle pedal a little nudge might have to dispute the cool part!!! and the comfy drive and the.....well you would know if you have driven one!!!

Love my Defender too!!!

[tact]

Im surprised you got it for 43k. I thought Malaysia had import taxes on foreign cars in the region of 200%!?

Forgot to mention in the last reply that as a commercial vehicle one of the taxes is reduced to zero (sales tax?) as well as reduced import duty for being assembled in Malaysia.

Check out the 2nd hand Defender for sale in Malaysia in the link. (A Malaysian site a bit like gumtree)
2015 Land Rover Defender 2.2 (M) - Cars for sale in Petaling Jaya, Selangor (http://m.mudah.my/view?ca=9_3_s&cg=1015&q=Defender&catname=Cars&f=a&so=1&ps=false&pe=false&o=5&ad_id=53273420)

- supposedly under 5000km
- supposedly MY2015

Its the same colour as mine and looks to be in the same original trim state as mine was. Curiously the asking price (2nd hand 2015 model) is exactly the price I paid for my 2013 model brand new back in 2013. (RM138,888 = ~AU$43k).

I think the price brand new at the dealers for 2015 models in 2015 was more like RM158k (~AU$49k) so the seller is only giving up about AU$6k in depreciation.

The cost to ship my beast over to Oz comes to under AU$10k includes
- pick up from my home in Malaysia
- shipping and insurance
- all port and fees related to the export from Malaysia
- the personal imports application and fees
- all port fees and import inspections and fees at Port Kembla to release to compliance workshop in Sydney
- taxes, GST and duties
- cartage from Port Kembla to Sydney
- engineering and inspection fees to register the vehicle in NSW

The only additional fees I am expecting to pay are local rego and insurance.

I own the vehicle outright. So apart from consumables and mods it cost me the purchase price plus the $10k to get it here. - ~$53k. I see that as a better deal than losing money on the sale in Malaysia and taking the risk in buying a 3yr old dual cab here. The devil I know.

[cuppabillytea]

Sounds like you have it all sorted as well. Good job.

[tact]

Sounds like you have it all sorted as well. Good job.

Well.....I hope there are no nasty surprises between now and when I get to take delivery. The mods to tune and diffs wont be visible to mechanical inspections. The larger intercooler will be visible to someone who knows the marque - but shouldn't cause inspection worries (?).

Expecting to be pinged for the 255/85R16 rubber. Had a few minor oil leaks tidied up by my Malaysian mechanic, hope no new leaks have opened up in transit. Quarantine may insist on additional fumigation and steam cleaning at additional cost.

Apart from that the vehicle just looks like its been dragged through the jungle. [biggrin] Nicely scratched from stem to stern and left to right and back again. Might look out of place if a carefully shined cousin dares to apply "parking rules".

But regardless where it has been driven, I know how its been driven and serviced and upgraded. Streets ahead of the raffle that is buying an unknown second hand vehicle

[cuppabillytea]

Too true Neil.
The only problem I can see is if the Tyres are not completely covered. Size doesn't matter, at least not to RTA Inspectors. The rules regarding lifting and Tyre size have been relaxed a little in NSW, or so I'm told.

[manic]

Well.....I hope there are no nasty surprises between now and when I get to take delivery. The mods to tune and diffs wont be visible to mechanical inspections. The larger intercooler will be visible to someone who knows the marque - but shouldn't cause inspection worries (?).

Expecting to be pinged for the 255/85R16 rubber. Had a few minor oil leaks tidied up by my Malaysian mechanic, hope no new leaks have opened up in transit. Quarantine may insist on additional fumigation and steam cleaning at additional cost.

Apart from that the vehicle just looks like its been dragged through the jungle. [biggrin] Nicely scratched from stem to stern and left to right and back again. Might look out of place if a carefully shined cousin dares to apply "parking rules".

But regardless where it has been driven, I know how its been driven and serviced and upgraded. Streets ahead of the raffle that is buying an unknown second hand vehicle

Prior to delivery the only inspection that is likely to cost you is the quarantine check. The modifications will come under scrutiny when you take it for a roadworthy. But by then you will have received the vehicle and be able to drive it on a temporary permit to a mechanic of your choosing.

I failed my roadworthy after import, I had a newly rebuilt 'Defender' which I proudly presented to a reputable Land Rover workshop and they served me a list of 'non-standard' issues about two pages long! So I drove it out to a back street workshop for inspection and got it down to a reasonable half a page. The 285/75/r16's were not on the list. Mine was a heavily modified 1989 LR90 panel sided van from the UK, the equivalent of which was not sold in this country. Your 2013 Puma should sail through.

Even back in 2011 I found prices in Australia for Defenders were higher than the UK. And now the prices are madness, so I think you have made the right choice.

[ATH]

[QUOTE=tact;2669906]Wow! The prices Defenders are fetching is crazy here in Oz. Largely the reason I am shipping mine over here instead of selling it in Malaysia and buying an equivalent model locally. QUOTE]
High prices may be being asked but are they getting them? I and another owner have had ours advertised for some time now and have had some response but not the "phone ringing off the hook" I thought I might get.
Mine has slightly more than average mileage but has been over serviced, has no dings (except car park doors....) and has been well used not abused (even the cook hasn't driven it) and is a totally reliable vehicle. Isn't overpriced either from what I can see.
Lot of hearsay around but not much truth in most of it I don't think.
AlanH.

[jon3950]

Quarantine may insist on additional fumigation and steam cleaning at additional cost.

From my experience, I'd say that's a fairly safe bet.

Cheers,
Jon

[contacttom123]

[QUOTE=ATH;2670941][QUOTE=tact;2669906]Wow! The prices Defenders are fetching is crazy here in Oz. Largely the reason I am shipping mine over here instead of selling it in Malaysia and buying an equivalent model locally. QUOTE]
High prices may be being asked but are they getting them? I and another owner have had ours advertised for some time now and have had some response but not the "phone ringing off the hook" I thought I might get.

Gday Alan,
what vehicle is yours on carsales?
I'm in the market for a 110.
Thanks, tom

[tact]

From my experience, I'd say that's a fairly safe bet.

Cheers,
Jon

...and request additional cleaning they did. Out of interest since you mentioned having experienced this - what did it cost you?

[jon3950]

...and request additional cleaning they did. Out of interest since you mentioned having experienced this - what did it cost you?

It was quite a few years ago now so I can't recall. I do remember it was ridiculously expensive though.

We brought a rally car in from NZ and despite steam cleaning receipts from the exporters it had to be done again. From memory it had a little bit of dust buried inside the rear quarter panel so the whole vehicle had to be done again. They had us over a barrel as it had to be done at the docks before it could be moved anywhere.

Cheers,
Jon

[Landybitz]

Anyone who offers a cleaning service and a document saying its passed, before you export is wasting there time and your's. AQUIS don't have any agreements in place with third party cleaners in country of origin. How much you pay for cleaning will be down to how much your broker tells you its going to be.

Normally anything from $150 to $300 per wash, and if Mr AQUIS got out of the wrong side of the bed he may request another wash. Some years ago on my first import I was told the cleaning was $300 per hour and it took 2 hours, I called the agent who was cleaning it they told me they charged $80 per hour and thats all it took, my broker at the time was some what red faced he had been caught out and we never paid the silly mark up. And the purpose of the process is not to clean you car infact they can look some what dirty after they have been to AQUIS. They use a substance that neutralise what ever they think might be on it, more or less just blast it for a hour or so. I have had vehicles with insects, soil leafs etc still in there after passing. The worst is when they just flood the inside of the car.

And like Jon said you have to pay or you will not get your goods. Fact its a Land Rover also means double clean just to be on the safe side. Cant complain about our current broker very good service.

[tact]

Anyone who offers a cleaning service and a document saying its passed, before you export is wasting there time and your's.
[...]

Cant complain about our current broker very good service.

So far the broker handling my vehicle seems to have done well. His bill was more than $1000 less than the agreed quote. And the advice I got was not to bother with cleaning any special cleaning on the Malaysian side as there was a good chance that AQIS would ask it be done over in Oz anyway. So be it.

Estimate given for cleaning is $300-$400 - which seems in the ballpark based on your experience.

[86mud]

Decided to see what all the fuss is about on car sales. Wow...there is a great range of prices for Defenders.

This one even has an aluminium chassis!

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-1996/SSE-AD-4513917/?Cr=66)

[Pickles2]

Just had a look on Carsales to see what Defenders are doing.
I've no idea what a new Heritage 90 cost in Aus,...anyone know?
Anyway, there is a magnificent Heritage 90 just been put up,..1500ks, but with a really good list of enhancements which are not at all detracting from the originality of this very special model.
Yes, it's $95K, but if ya have a look at how it's presented, I'd say it's had a fair few dollars spent on it.
Located in N.T.
If I was looking for one, this'd be the one for me.
And knowing what some people are like, NO,...I don't know the owner, the car, I don't know about anything connected with it,...I just liked the way the car's been improved/presented, without affecting its originality.
Pickles.

[YOLO110]

Yes a nice one Martin!

I think they were about $55k new, about a $5-10k more than a 'standard' 90. So a nice little 'profit' of $40+k there!

Personally, I just don't see the 'value' now, there are low mileage standard 'non Heritage' examples on sale for much less... unless you are a 'collector'. But then what do you do with it? Look at it, don't drive it and never use it 'as intended'!

Having said that, IF I had been lucky enough to get one here in Oz for the initial 'dealer' RRP price, then I think it would have been a brilliant buy...

[Pickles2]

Yes a nice one Martin!

I think they were about $55k new, about a $5-10k more than a 'standard' 90. So a nice little 'profit' of $40+k there!

Personally, I just don't see the 'value' now, there are low mileage standard 'non Heritage' examples on sale for much less... unless you are a 'collector'. But then what do you do with it? Look at it, don't drive it and never use it 'as intended'!

Having said that, IF I had been lucky enough to get one here in Oz for the initial 'dealer' RRP price, then I think it would have been a brilliant buy...
Agree Pete.
I just reckon that if money was no object, and ya really wanted one, & if ya missed out on a new one, then this would be the one.
Martin.

[YOLO110]

Yup!

Time to buy a lottery ticket then bud! (or we could go 50:50!!) [smilebigeye]

(Back in Melb in 2 weeks... will call ya!)

[ATH]

Things are looking up a bit as I've shown the Defender to 2 prospective buyers recently. Plus had an inquiry from a bloke on here who can't seem to find the right advert on carsales..... [bigwhistle]
I'm in no rush though, it's a good vehicle and I've no need to flog it for the money..... but I'd really really like to get it off my lawn! [bigsmile1]
AlanH.

[tact]

So far the broker handling my vehicle seems to have done well. His bill was more than $1000 less than the agreed quote. And the advice I got was not to bother with cleaning any special cleaning on the Malaysian side as there was a good chance that AQIS would ask it be done over in Oz anyway. So be it.

Estimate given for cleaning is $300-$400 - which seems in the ballpark based on your experience.


Sorry this has been something of a thread hijack. But to round off the sidetrack and close it off: cleaning for AQIS ended up costing $286. all done and vehicle released. Nice!

And a pic to bring us back on topic:
Cant wait to get back behind the wheel of this....when it has NSW plates on it!

123570

[Jake93]

Gents,

I'm going to inspect this on the weekend We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2012/OAG-AD-14611131/?Cr=0)

Current asking price is laughable in my opinion, I was thinking about 43 would be a reasonable offer given the condition of the interior probably wouldn't go over 46 if pushed by the dealer. Suerly given this time of year they want to get rid of it quicksmart.

Thoughts?

[Jake93]

Gents,

I'm going to inspect this on the weekend We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2012/OAG-AD-14611131/?Cr=0)

Current asking price is laughable in my opinion, I was thinking about 43 would be a reasonable offer given the condition of the interior probably wouldn't go over 46 if pushed by the dealer. Suerly given this time of year they want to get rid of it quicksmart.

Thoughts?

So I had a look this morning.. condition was less than desirable, some worrying potential issues.. oh well. back to the search!

[Robmacca]

So I had a look this morning.. condition was less than desirable, some worrying potential issues.. oh well. back to the search!

Any chance u could share what those potential issues were? I'm wanting a Puma at some point in the future and would be interested to know what to look for.....

[danny_]

Gents,

I'm going to inspect this on the weekend We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2012/OAG-AD-14611131/?Cr=0)

Current asking price is laughable in my opinion, I was thinking about 43 would be a reasonable offer given the condition of the interior probably wouldn't go over 46 if pushed by the dealer. Suerly given this time of year they want to get rid of it quicksmart.

Thoughts?


I bought my 90 from them December last year, Paid 46k for it,

[Jake93]

Any chance u could share what those potential issues were? I'm wanting a Puma at some point in the future and would be interested to know what to look for.....


Look elsewhere bud, I'd suggest looking at the front diff and the bolts in the engine bay in the photos they have up of it for a general indication of condition. every bolt on the exterior was rusted, there was even surface corrosion on the aluminium on the grille.

Honestly, It looks like the car had been drowned on a beach up past the windows (I have absolutely no evidence of this) however I pulled up the front mats and they were completely soaking wet, kept pulling up the mats further and found pockets of brown sand and dirt in the corners of the metal, all still soaking wet with a musty smell. Same story with the mats in the back, filthy and soaking wet.

The chrome on the headrest was even rusted and I'm not talking surface rust, I am talking full blown swollen rust to the point where you couldn't even adjust it, same for the seat mechs so I couldn't look in the engine box to see if that was also full of **** which I suspected it was. Tyres were also unroadworthy - not sure how a dealer is even allowed to sell a car with unroadworthy tyres?

Didn't even bother talking to the dealer when he came over to have a chat, by that stage I was completely lost for words. They did a good job of coating the dash in Armor All though [bighmmm][bighmmm]

behind the front bar124433


unroadworthy tyres124434

It could be a good project for someone, however unfortunately I'm not in the market for a $53,000 project.

[Robmacca]

I've got no plans on buying one now, but sometime down the track - maybe.... I just thought if there was some spots that were not quite obvious, then it would be good to know where to look, but by this one those photos would have been an easy one to see the issues and walk away from. For me, the price is way too high to start with and I probably wouldn't of even gone to look at it.

Maybe u should have told the dealers your thoughts :)


Look elsewhere bud, I'd suggest looking at the front diff and the bolts in the engine bay in the photos they have up of it for a general indication of condition. every bolt on the exterior was rusted, there was even surface corrosion on the aluminium on the grille.

Honestly, It looks like the car had been drowned on a beach up past the windows (I have absolutely no evidence of this) however I pulled up the front mats and they were completely soaking wet, kept pulling up the mats further and found pockets of brown sand and dirt in the corners of the metal, all still soaking wet with a musty smell. Same story with the mats in the back, filthy and soaking wet.

The chrome on the headrest was even rusted and I'm not talking surface rust, I am talking full blown swollen rust to the point where you couldn't even adjust it, same for the seat mechs so I couldn't look in the engine box to see if that was also full of **** which I suspected it was. Tyres were also unroadworthy - not sure how a dealer is even allowed to sell a car with unroadworthy tyres?

Didn't even bother talking to the dealer when he came over to have a chat, by that stage I was completely lost for words. They did a good job of coating the dash in Armor All though [bighmmm][bighmmm]

behind the front bar124433


unroadworthy tyres124434

It could be a good project for someone, however unfortunately I'm not in the market for a $53,000 project.

[Jake93]

Surely this guy is just taking the ****?

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/burleigh-heads/cars-vans-utes/2010-land-rover-defender-110/1151366343

[Greg4427]

Surely this guy is just taking the ****?

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/burleigh-heads/cars-vans-utes/2010-land-rover-defender-110/1151366343

Ha ha maybe he posted it after a few too many! It does sound a bargain, 2010 Puma with only 96K [bigrolf]

[cripesamighty]

Ever been fishing with the wrong sized net.....

[filcar]

Given we can't usually know what prices are achieved I will be watching this one ... (starting price $41,909, no bids yet)

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-3415187/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/2011-land-rover-defender-2-5l-turbo-diesel-4wd-manual-83-431-km-indicated'spr=true

[filcar]

Given we can't usually know what prices are achieved I will be watching this one ... (starting price $41,909, no bids yet)

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-3415187/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/2011-land-rover-defender-2-5l-turbo-diesel-4wd-manual-83-431-km-indicated'spr=true

No interest yet, starting bid dropped to $40,909

[Jake93]

No matter what my practical brain is telling me I just cannot have another appliance white car. It'll be 3 in a row! I guess I'll have to overpay for a bit of colour, haha.

[BeAnoldboy]

I've been keeping an eye on prices and reading a lot of for sale ads lately and have made these assessments:
Defenders are about 5 K overpriced at the mid range and 15-20 at the top .
lots of Defender owners are 'moving overseas' or have 'life changes' forcing the sudden need to sell.
I'm in the market at the wrong time, it appears the look-at-me set have favourited the defender and prices are fickle like buyers.
I'm glad I came here and read this thread , I also,like you guys reckon the market will settle down again after the new defender shows its face.
till then maybe a cheap disco to play with will be the smarter option

[filcar]

No interest yet, starting bid dropped to $40,909

Passed in with no bids ....

[filcar]

Back again .... http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-3415279/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/2011-land-rover-defender-2-5l-turbo-diesel-4wd-manual-83-431-km-indicated'spr=true

[ATH]

My third Defender is up for sale not because of any sudden life changes etc. but mostly because after having had 3 of them, I want something different. Plus being arthritic when I get a bad flare up I find it bloody hard to change gear, hence the need for an auto to finish my driving days in. And I love the D4.
I never ever thought the silly prices people were chatting about were true, but then nothing stops the gossip crowd from blowing things up a bit to make a story seem better.
I've had some mild interest and I've also had the dumbos from Gumtree but I'm in no hurry so when a real buyer comes along, it will sell.
AlanH.

[frantic]

I really enjoy my defender, but if someone offered the right price, it would be sold!
But with so many bits I've added, my price and reality probably wouldn't meet![bigsmile1]
2002 td5 110 200k's.( ABS ,air con and Traction control standard)
Bullbar,
winch,
spots and light bar,
silicone hoses for turbo/intercooler,
egr plate,
black cheq on bonnet and anodised on wings and back side panels,
snow cowl over heater,
rear wheel carrier,
3 bar hd rhino with aluminium basket(either 1.8m or 2.1 long)
rear steel bumperettes with side plates
mulgo rock sliders with 1/2 cheq and step
9 seat on rego ( 4 in rear)
crab bar for baby seats,
mulgo xbox with all ecu/ electrical inside so under drivers seat is storage
2nd battery
cb
nanocom+ spare ecu current one is tuned.
oops forgot the upgraded intercooler!
exhaust manifold cut between flanges to stop bolts being damaged,(gasket and bolts done about 12months ago)
stainless exhaust straight from turbo to last sound box .[bigwhistle]
ATB front diff + stronger axles/cv's
Detroit rear + hytuff axles
315/75 toyo mt new on -25 dynamics
wide flares to cover tyres
2in dobinson spring lift
Gwyn Lewis kit , raised 2in mounts, dislocation cone front and coil retention hook rear,
LONG travel OME shocks ,11.5in compared to 8in standard.
front and rear trailing arms replaced, and a wide angle prop fitted.
front bash plate
front diff guard and rear ARB diff guard(not fitted yet)
original alloys with worn 255/85 bighorns from about 50% to 1 that's just legal.
original flares and various other parts included. Like 30mm wheel spacers from uk, brake pads, air filter.

AND it's navy blue, so not the standard fridge!

The only 2 issues are the exhaust will smoke with the flashed Ecu when pushed in 2nd/3rd, no smoke at all with standard tune, and there are a few bits of clear leaving the paint on the roof and front wing.
If someone offered me mid $thirties I would be tempted, but would be out looking for another the next day [tonguewink]

[tact]

That's a nice list of mods, frantic. A long list of mods seems the norm amongst off-roaders (in general, not just amongst Landy tragics) here in Oz.

Makes my rather short list look positively anaemic! (And apart from the tyres fitted and missing sidesteps my few mods are not even visible!)

Pretty much going to keep mine that way. Happy at that. ;)

[cuppabillytea]

Until you put your foot down. :burnrubber:

[DiscoMick]

Access Denied (https://carsales.mobi/cars/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2010/SSE-AD-675287)

Optimism is a wonderful thing. $85,000.

[DiscoMick]

This one on Gumtree is more my price range. $1000.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/two-rocks/cars-vans-utes/land-rover-series-2-swb/1150857337

[DiscoMick]

Body looks better on this one (bit I can see). At least it's been covered.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/canning-vale/cars-vans-utes/land-rover-1973-restoration-project/1150280434

[filcar]

Grays are really having trouble getting anyone interested in this 110, first put up at $40,009, now down to $37,909

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-3415450/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/2011-land-rover-defender-2-5l-turbo-diesel-4wd-manual-83-431-km-indicated'spr=true

[DiscoMick]

If it's a 2011 with a six speed gearbox why is the engine size given as 2.5?

[donh54]

If it's a 2011 with a six speed gearbox why is the engine size given as 2.5?
I'd be more concerned with the service history being "partial" given the k's

[ATH]

A partial service history! Wonder what is meant by that? Do they mean there's no dealer servicing been done after the warranty ran out, or that the owner just checks the oil and kicks the tyres?
If it means no certifiable dealer service I suspect many Defenders are exactly the same, mine included. But if anyone thinks just because a dealer has stamped the book it's had good service, they should think again from my experience.
No dealer has touched mine since the warranty period but has had oils and filters changed at half the intervals specified by LR. This is one of the reasons I want a buyer to come round and talk to me direct not someone from interstate relying on a bloody RAC report or similar who generally know nothing about Defenders. Personally looking and talking is some guarantee you'll get what you pay for.
Had a bloke come round today and off we went for a drive. He was over and under it saying nice things about it and reckons he loves it then says but has to wait for his wife to return from Japan...... no money changed hands so I'm not relying on him.
AlanH.

[ATH]

Just checked carsales again to see if mine is over priced but looking at some of these advs. I reckon it's under priced if anything. I'll give it until we go away in about 4 weeks time then take it off and do like the Cook says and make it our main off road vehicle again.
Save the D4 for shopping trolley duties........
AlanH.

PS. Apparently 92 people are watching my adv. Let's hope they've got more brains than some of the drongos on gumnutters.......

[DFNDR90]

Just checked carsales again to see if mine is over priced but looking at some of these advs. I reckon it's under priced if anything. I'll give it until we go away in about 4 weeks time then take it off and do like the Cook says and make it our main off road vehicle again.
Save the D4 for shopping trolley duties........
AlanH.

PS. Apparently 92 people are watching my adv. Let's hope they've got more brains than some of the drongos on gumnutters.......

Hi Alan,

Had a look at your advert on carsales.com and other similar ads. If I were a buyer I'd be more attracted to an advert with images that show off all sides of the car. Front left, front, front right, right, rear right, rear, rear left, left, 2 or 3 of interior and closeup detail photo's of any key items you wish to show. An opening image that shows all of the car looks neater too.

This ad is a good example - We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2008/OAG-AD-14902571/?Cr=2).

Your pricing looks ok, slightly lower than others with similar features. Hope the above helps and good luck with the sale!

[Pickles2]

A partial service history! Wonder what is meant by that? Do they mean there's no dealer servicing been done after the warranty ran out, or that the owner just checks the oil and kicks the tyres?
If it means no certifiable dealer service I suspect many Defenders are exactly the same, mine included. But if anyone thinks just because a dealer has stamped the book it's had good service, they should think again from my experience.
No dealer has touched mine since the warranty period but has had oils and filters changed at half the intervals specified by LR. This is one of the reasons I want a buyer to come round and talk to me direct not someone from interstate relying on a bloody RAC report or similar who generally know nothing about Defenders. Personally looking and talking is some guarantee you'll get what you pay for.
Had a bloke come round today and off we went for a drive. He was over and under it saying nice things about it and reckons he loves it then says but has to wait for his wife to return from Japan...... no money changed hands so I'm not relying on him.
AlanH.
Your "buyer" sounds like a "waffler"......unfortunately, the world is full of them.
Pickles.

[ATH]

Selling cars to loonies is the reason I'm old and grey. [bigsmile] Some of the driving is absolutely horrendous, some of the weird things they do is very strange.....one bloke shoved his long nose into the filler of one I sold to sniff if I'd put something in the tank!
I think him and some of the others have had something put in their own tanks personally. Especially the gumnutter types.
I don't want to sell interstate as I've said before, but when I sold a Prado to buy this Defender the bloke in the NT who brought it rang up to thank me which was nice. Made it worthwhile polishing it.
This is the very last time I sell a car........ [bigwhistle]
AlanH.

[ATH]

Wonders will never cease.[bigsmile] I chatted the Cook about getting rid of her Camry shopping trolley today and she agreed that we no longer need it! It's not the money we'll get for it but the fact that if I keep the Defender which is definitely looking likely now, we certainly don't need 3 vehicles.
I'd really like to go down to just one but as it appears the Defender is not going to sell at what seems to me to be a reasonable price (around 37K), we'll keep it for our off road touring and the D4 becomes the shopping trolley.
The Cook likes that idea as she is against flogging the Deafener anyway and as it's an excellent performer we just might as well keep it. I don't mind as long as my damn RA doesn't play up and stop me changing gear......[bigsad]
AlanH.

[cripesamighty]

Alan, keep the Defender. As for the RA, take drugs.....lots of drugs....but keep the Defender. Also, keep the Defender...... [biggrin]

[ATH]

I'll take your advice cripesAM and take the drugs plus heaps of another drug called alcohol which I need every time some loony decides to annoy me about the Defender. [bigsad]
I've lost count of things I've sold on Carsales previously..... 1 D1, 2 Defenders (300Tdi & Td5), 1 Prado, 2 caravans, 1 camper trailer, 1 boat .... I think that's it but never have I had so much trouble before!
The Prado buyer even rang me to say thanks and the 300Tdi Deafener buyer said I was recommended as being honest!!!!! And in a booze test recently I blew all the zeroes!
My reputation is in tatters.......
AlanH.

[filcar]

Grays are really having trouble getting anyone interested in this 110, first put up at $40,009, now down to $37,909

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-3415450/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/2011-land-rover-defender-2-5l-turbo-diesel-4wd-manual-83-431-km-indicated'spr=true

Looks like this 110 finally sold ... good price if it is good nick.

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-3417179/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/2011-land-rover-defender-2-5l-turbo-diesel-4wd-manual-83-431-km-indicated'spr=true

[ozscott]

Finally starting to get a bit more realistic. Cheers

[Jake93]

The Market appears to be very stale at the moment, not that many new ones listed in the past few weeks but there are a fair few that have not moved. Price seems to be all over the place too, some guy asking 46 for a 2008 with 170,000 on her and then others with 2014 with 80,000 asking 49.

Quite bizarre times.

[Zeros]

Perhaps many are hopeful of a sale at a high price and not many are genuinely wanting to sell?

It would be interesting to know how many aulro readers want to buy a current Defender? and how many are waiting for the next model Defender?

Given the price rise of D5, I doubt the next Defender will be priced much under $75K base. So whenever it does arrive 'classic' Defender prices may not fall much?

[ATH]

I took mine off the car sales sites as we're doing a bit of travelling. It's a top vehicle but I'm finding the Disco much easier on my joints to drive.And much better on corrugations......
I'll readvertise it for 35K when I get back and see what happens.
AlanH.

[danny_]

Perhaps many are hopeful of a sale at a high price and not many are genuinely wanting to sell?

It would be interesting to know how many aulro readers want to buy a current Defender? and how many are waiting for the next model Defender?

Given the price rise of D5, I doubt the next Defender will be priced much under $75K base. So whenever it does arrive 'classic' Defender prices may not fall much?


This is what i have done to mine,
Put a high price and if i get the money ill sell it, If not i will keep it which i am happy to do as i love driving it.

[Zeros]

Year? Kms? $$ you would part with it for?
...I would have serious trouble parting with mine!

[dazzler]

Year? Kms? $$ you would part with it for?
...I would have serious trouble parting with mine!


I got one for sale as i rebuild the old new one i have purchased

Here it is:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/baulkham-hills/cars-vans-utes/2012-land-rover-defender-110-very-clean-car/1159188800

[Zeros]

Nice Defender Dazzler, fair price too I reckon in this market with so many extras. I'd buy it if I didn't have one already.

[Zeros]

...at the other end of the Defender spectrum, this beasty seems a little over-priced!

...1999 300TDI with 322,000km on the clock asking $18,900 - "price reduced for quick sale". Nice try. ...Tell him he's Dreamin.

[Chops]

I got one for sale as i rebuild the old new one i have purchased

Here it is:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/baulkham-hills/cars-vans-utes/2012-land-rover-defender-110-very-clean-car/1159188800


Personally, I think it's underpriced.

[Zeros]

Personally, I think it's underpriced.

I agree.

[dazzler]

I agree.


Thanks Fellas! however no takers yet :( all it needs is some driving lights

[steane]

...at the other end of the Defender spectrum, this beasty seems a little over-priced!

...1999 300TDI with 322,000km on the clock asking $18,900 - "price reduced for quick sale". Nice try. ...Tell him he's Dreamin.

Actually, if it's a good one it's actually well under-priced but really good ones rarely come onto the market these days. Buyers of 300tdis can generally choose from a variety of junk offered at anywhere from $10,000 to $25,000. Those kms aren't anything to worry about, only Puma owners worry about what's on the odo [tonguewink]

Last good 300Tdi Deefer that I knew of sold for $27,500 nearly two years ago. Sold in a week via ebay, sight unseen.

[dazzler]

Actually, if it's a good one it's actually well under-priced but really good ones rarely come onto the market these days. Buyers of 300tdis can generally choose from a variety of junk offered at anywhere from $10,000 to $25,000. Those kms aren't anything to worry about, only Puma owners worry about what's on the odo [tonguewink]

Last good 300Tdi Deefer that I knew of sold for $27,500 nearly two years ago. Sold in a week via ebay, sight unseen.

Give it time, and any angst re puma engine will dissipate and people will find the next model to fuss over IMHO
I for one like the blend between old and new, enough for one handy with a spanner interested.

Like some folks, I will look at a 2019 model but the current one I have is staying put long term puma engine n all

2c

[Zeros]

No angst here about either 300TDI or PUMA. Both excellent little oilers, gutsy and frugal. Although IME the 300TDI is more frugal.
...but it would have to be an exceptional 99 300TDi at 322,000km to crack $20K IMO.

[steane]

Give it time, and any angst re puma engine will dissipate and people will find the next model to fuss over IMHO
I for one like the blend between old and new, enough for one handy with a spanner interested.

Like some folks, I will look at a 2019 model but the current one I have is staying put long term puma engine n all

2c

Wasn't having a go at the Puma engine, just a tongue in cheek jab at the fascination with kms travelled / values of some of the newer Defenders. I like all Defenders [smilebigeye] They should all be driven vast distances across inhospitable terrain as often as possible. It's what they were made to do and it should be law. Use 'em or lose 'em!

[dazzler]

Wasn't having a go at the Puma engine, just a tongue in cheek jab at the fascination with kms travelled / values of some of the newer Defenders. I like all Defenders [smilebigeye] They should all be driven vast distances across inhospitable terrain as often as possible. It's what they were made to do and it should be law. Use 'em or lose 'em!


Amen brother!

[Zeros]

...I like all Defenders [smilebigeye] They should all be driven vast distances across inhospitable terrain as often as possible. It's what they were made to do and it should be law. Use 'em or lose 'em!

Absolutely!

I seem to remember you pulled your 300TDI out at around 300,000kms and replaced all main bearings... which made a big difference.

What do you guys think is the marker for engine reliability? 'Done nothing to it' or 'preventative maintenance, changing bearings, rings and head gasket'?

I'm not a mechanic, so excuse my ignorance, but I'm interested to know. ...has anyone done such preventative maintenance on a PUMA TDCI with 300,000km on the clock? Should it be done earlier? Or is this considered a failure?

[steane]

Absolutely!

I seem to remember you pulled your 300TDI out at around 300,000kms and replaced all main bearings... which made a big difference.

What do you guys think is the marker for engine reliability? 'Done nothing to it' or 'preventative maintenance, changing bearings, rings and head gasket'?

I'm also not a mechanic, so excuse my ignorance, but I'm interested to know. ...has anyone done such preventative maintenance on a PUMA TDCI with 300,000km on the clock? Should it be done earlier? Or is this considered a failure?

I suspect the worn bearings is a 300tdi thing and I'd view it as maintenance, not a failure, unless they aren't changed and fail... Same with head gasket, timing belt, manifold gasket and radiator flushing/rodding for tdis. Can't really compare them to the Puma or other modern diesels, which I'd expect to clock up more than 300k kms easily, with just the required servicing being done. Modern electronic engines are pretty reliable things mostly.

What I love about the 300tdi engine and that generation of Defender is they are a hands-on experience and nothing like a modern car. I've got a Pajero to cart the family around in safely (not a Defender strength) and take on family trips . I'm sure it would clock up 500k+ kms with just routine maintenance - the 4M41 and Aisin g/box are bulletproof - but it's bloody boring to drive and I have no interest in working on it.

[Zeros]

Cheers Steane. I guess nothing would ever fail with enough preventative maintenance (as aeroplanes aim for). Couple of Q's:

Could the life of an engine bench-mark be the time it lasts before needing to be removed from the vehicle for major preventative maintenance?

Do you think Defenders are unsafe for a family? Obviously no airbags, but anything else?

[manic]

Could the life of an engine bench-mark be the time it lasts before needing to be removed from the vehicle for major preventative maintenance?



An engine is done when it fails beyond economical repair. Replacing TDI bearings is cheap DIY. Piston flying out the block would be game over. Pumas may not be so economical to repair/maintain (water in fuel?), but could go on for 600000+ km with less problems/maintanence...

A well kept and rust free TDI put on the market should sell fast. Good luck finding one!

[ozscott]

Haha. I love Land Rovers but these last few posts are showing why some other makes owners take the **** out of LR owners. I mean really a rebuild using new main bearings, head gaskets etc is hardly maintenance. Maintainence is an oil change. Replacement due to imminent failure of a critical part of an engine is somewhat different. Ned Kelly's / Grandad's axe analogy is coming to mind. It's a bit hard to keep a straight face and say it's so reliable I have done 300k with just maintenance...

Cheers

[Scouse]

I love seeing all these high k, high $ Defenders advertised so I can show my wife to justify my latest acquisition.
Keep them coming please!!

[Zeros]

Haha. I love Land Rovers but these last few posts are showing why some other makes owners take the **** out of LR owners. I mean really a rebuild using new main bearings, head gaskets etc is hardly maintenance. Maintainence is an oil change. Replacement due to imminent failure of a critical part of an engine is somewhat different. Ned Kelly's / Grandad's axe analogy is coming to mind. It's a bit hard to keep a straight face and say it's so reliable I have done 300k with just maintenance...

Cheers

Yes I think most would agree Ozscott. Most would see replacement due to imminent failure of a critical part of the engine as unreliability.

Many Defender owners are used to doing major 'maintenance', but most people would not classify an engine-out bearing replacement as DIY.