Defenders on "Car Sales."

[Andrew86]

(Andrew86) We could all theorise on his intentions, although if he is fence sitting, he’s not serious then.

IRT: Breaching moral obligations??.....Not relevant in this matter I suggest.

You don't need to be desperately trying to get rid of a car to post an ad on Carsales. It's a very cheap exercise to test the market and given the way prices have been going it has the potential to be highly profitable from a seller's perspective.

Some posters here seem to be under the false impression that asking as much as possible for a Defender equates to arrogance.

[Gordie]

I put my car up for sale a couple of years back...didn't really want to sell it, so put a high price on it...with the attitude that if someone paid that...I would let it go....I still have it and am happy to have kept it. No mucking anyone around and it kept the tyre kickers away.......when I am buying, if the asking price in the ad is too much...I move onto the next ad...no inconvenience. Simples....[smilebigeye]

[Zeros]

I would buy a D2 and custom it for a fraction of the price.

Cheers

Looks like D4s are on average around 150,000km for $45k. So yes a bit cheaper and a good option if someone can't come at a Defender. It's all relative. Choice is often under-rated by those fortunate enough to be able to choose. ...I noticed today that brand new Nissan Navaras are only $33,000.

But...there's still nothing like a Defender.

[Vern]

Because you already have a Defender?

...just interested to know, you didn't have a Deefer already, what would you buy instead for $45k?A used Y62.

[Zeros]

A used Y62.

Well you could by an old Volvo wagon, but is it comparable to a Defender? [bigwhistle]

[Zeros]

A used Y62.

Had a look at the Y62... gawd I'd forgotten how fugly! ...if you're after a menacing black behemoth this one is the kit! We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Nissan-Patrol-2013/SSE-AD-5251020)
...each to their own. I'd prefer a Defender.

[martnH]

Well you could by an old Volvo wagon, but is it comparable to a Defender? [bigwhistle]...I drive a defender....I have been to high country, Simpson , Fraser island caravans etc...So I have done some off-roading.....

So what is so good about the defender above other 4wds?In your mind

[martnH]

Sry should be watagans instead of cavarans....

[Vern]

Well you could by an old Volvo wagon, but is it comparable to a Defender? [bigwhistle]?

[Vern]

...I drive a defender....I have been to high country, Simpson , Fraser island caravans etc...So I have done some off-roading.....

So what is so good about the defender above other 4wds?In your mindNothing, they are just iconic.

[ozscott]

Defender has a great look and feel of a little truck. Clearly it's great off-road. You can get that same truck feel and off-road ability from a manual D2. In addition you get wider interior but still slim enough for tracks and more comfort (for me, others differ). The difference in price is stark. The D2 has a lot to offer. For me a built up one has all the adventure feel of a Deefer but with more safety and comfort.

Cheers

[DiscoMick]

[QUOTE=Andrew86;2777311]To be fair, it's his car and if he's decided that $45k the number he can live with to let it go then he has every right to stick to that figure. The market for Defenders is small so it isn't unusual for cars to sit around for months, even when the price is right.

It's always a good idea to check your attitude at the door when going into private sales negotiations too. You're much more likely to find a seller willing to lower their price if they feel their pride and joy is going to a good h

[Tins]

Defender has a great look and feel of a little truck. Clearly it's great off-road. You can get that same truck feel and off-road ability from a manual D2. In addition you get wider interior but still slim enough for tracks and more comfort (for me, others differ). The difference in price is stark. The D2 has a lot to offer. For me a built up one has all the adventure feel of a Deefer but with more safety and comfort.

Cheers

D2s are great, but for long term touring it means that you sleep on the ground, in a rooftop tent ( which I hate ), or tow a camper. A decent camper for touring brings the price up to line ball.

Now, if LR had built a D2 ute...

[ozscott]

Yep good point. I use an instant up Coleman Gold and stretchers with self inflators and my boys and I did the far North in comfort with very quick set up and pack up times. Cheers

[Vern]

Defender has a great look and feel of a little truck. Clearly it's great off-road. You can get that same truck feel and off-road ability from a manual D2. In addition you get wider interior but still slim enough for tracks and more comfort (for me, others differ). The difference in price is stark. The D2 has a lot to offer. For me a built up one has all the adventure feel of a Deefer but with more safety and comfort.

CheersD2, D1, Rangie classic! Even a p38.
I would rather room and comfort. If only the defender had this!

[Zeros]

...I drive a defender....I have been to high country, Simpson , Fraser island caravans etc...So I have done some off-roading.....

So what is so good about the defender above other 4wds?In your mind

Not this again...it's pretty obvious, but here's a short list to start with:

Aluminium panels + heavy chassis = low centre of gravity
Economical engine
Four coils suspension, superior wheel travel and excellent ground clearance
Constant 4x4, Centre difflock, heavy duty + upgradable driveline.
Excellent low range gearing
Boxy shape - practical load carrying
Robust Practical materials + Hose out interior
Excellent four corner visibility off road
Huge aftermarket parts network
live axles
16" wheels
+
One of the most iconic design of all time.

[manic]

You cant say the defenders are desirable just because they are iconic. The defender is iconic for good reasons and not all of it is historical.

Now more than ever, it is versatile in ways most other 4x4s are not. Defender has scope for 90, 110, 130, utes, camper bodies, pop tops, ambulances, fire engines.... bolt ons galore!

You cannot 'build' a D1-2-3-4-5 like you can a defender. A defender has 35 years of genuine parts to choose from. Then theres the aftermarket which is huge. There have been countless custom builds done for services, overlanders and enthusiasts. Its all out there, pick and choose or dare to attempt something unique.

Durability and practicallity - yep, still got it. If you smash up a panel, unbolt it and replace. The engine and driveline all sit in space that is easilly accessible should you need to spin a spanner. It has a high usable payload with versatile range of suspension options to suit.

A defender is a 4x4 that can get out there and explore worldwide. The rest are almost entirely family orientated SUVs for sophisticated markets.

For these reasons and more it is still one of the best expedition/adventure 4x4s available. Prices reflect that. SUVs in the show rooms today do not even come close.

[Zeros]

?

Or an old HJ wagon will get you around the country. ...or maybe a Maserati Levante?

The point is that there is endless choice for all budgets depending on the spin.

I just reckon a Defender is the best choice if you can get one.

[Zeros]

D2, D1, Rangie classic! Even a p38.
I would rather room and comfort. If only the defender had this!

Yup, or you could get a Ssangyong Musso. [thumbsupbig][bigwhistle] Whatevs.

[Zeros]

The choice is endless if you don't want a Defender.

[Shoogs]

You cant say the defenders are desirable just because they are iconic. The defender is iconic for good reasons and not all of it is historical.

Now more than ever, it is versatile in ways most other 4x4s are not. Defender has scope for 90, 110, 130, utes, camper bodies, pop tops, ambulances, fire engines.... bolt ons galore!

You cannot 'build' a D1-2-3-4-5 like you can a defender. A defender has 35 years of genuine parts to choose from. Then theres the aftermarket which is huge. There have been countless custom builds done for services, overlanders and enthusiasts. Its all out there, pick and choose or dare to attempt something unique.

Durability and practicallity - yep, still got it. If you smash up a panel, unbolt it and replace. The engine and driveline all sit in space that is easilly accessible should you need to spin a spanner. It has a high usable payload with versatile range of suspension options to suit.

A defender is a 4x4 that can get out there and explore worldwide. The rest are almost entirely family orientated SUVs for sophisticated markets.

For these reasons and more it is still one of the best expedition/adventure 4x4s available. Prices reflect that. SUVs in the show rooms today do not even come close.

Except for a G-Professional of course...

[1nando]

The defender is the most competent vehicle i have ever driven offroad and ive driven a few. The only vehicle that is better than a defender in standard form is a jeep rubicon. The rubicons are amazing however they have the payload of a cheese sandwich and arent touring friendly as a result.
The defender is excellent "offroad" value compared to almost every 4wd option available. They are very versatile and can be modified to ones intended purpose. I've never owned a vehcile that offered as much versatility and was so rewarding with every modification. It had character cause i tailored it to my idea of "offroad" and it never failed to deliver.

I could modify any other 4wd vehicle in the world and id never have the same sense of enjoyment and or rewarding experience offroad as i did in my 110. It was simply beautiful amd unstoppable.

People are paying good money for them casue there aren't any vehciles left that offer the same versatility and or unique driving pleasure of a defender.

They are a dinosaur in a modern world of overally complicated vehicles that are iconic and rewarding to own, drive and modify.

[gromit]

If this price is about right I'm under insured on mine !

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/brunswick/cars-vans-utes/1998-land-rover-defender-300tdi/1175777162


Mine is '95 with about 120K on the clock.


Colin

[martnH]

Good...
Mine will be put up for sale

[ozscott]

People love their own vehicles if they do great trips where the vehicle adds to the trip. There are differing views obviously about D2 and Deefer off-road ability (Stefan might well say for very technical tracks a well modded D2 is the go...) and certainly I prefer a well sorted D2 buy each to their own.

Cheers

[martnH]

Not this again...it's pretty obvious, but here's a short list to start with:

Aluminium panels + heavy chassis = low centre of gravity
Economical engine
Four coils suspension, superior wheel travel and excellent ground clearance
Constant 4x4, Centre difflock, heavy duty + upgradable driveline.
Excellent low range gearing
Boxy shape - practical load carrying
Robust Practical materials + Hose out interior
Excellent four corner visibility off road
Huge aftermarket parts network
live axles
16" wheels
+
One of the most iconic design of all time.....I think maybe you should expand your list a bit,
Maybe include the followings:

-Full float rear axle

-Front CV, in stead of U joints on a wrangler

-Ease of maintenance that is you can replac e all wheel bearings roadside without a press. Transfer box and gearbox can be pulled out on driveway solo for 8 hours..

-Rear suspension using A frame, one of the best

-Front suspension so-so radius arm will bind

-Also finally the best thing is defender's narrow body and "commanding" sitting position, (as stated by Land Rover

-Handbrake will make sure driver awake .
-B pillar will remind driver to keep fit.

-And also owning a defender will turn owner into a mechanic. I never would have imagined myself fixing a truck before having this thing but now I can change rotors, wheels bearing, install diff locks and rebuild transfer box...(following manuals...Change fuel tank...

Had I bought a Toyota, I probably wouldn't have lifted the bonnet.....


Cheers
Martin

[fitzy]

When I bought a d2 18 years ago, I joined the local Landy club and couldn’t work out why all those bearded blokes raved on about defenders, what could be so good about them.
Then I owned one, and found out.
It had something.
I sat in a 2016 model last weekend and it felt so right it was uncanny

[ATH]

The Cook doesn't care what I say or anyone says, she reckons the Defender is best and that's it! We've had 3 of them and she's never driven one of them..... but does sometimes get behind the wheel of the D4.
So how she can be so adamant about how good the things are I don't know. :)
Now I've had 3 calls from sharks about having it on consignment but no way until a bloke from the country has seen it his weekend. He's a Landie man from years back and likes what he's seen in the advs. and what I've told him and I'd rather flog it to someone who's enthusiastic than some greasy slime ball........
Hopefully the Cook doesn't carry out some of her threats once it's gone..... :(
AlanH.

[Vern]

Yup, or you could get a Ssangyong Musso. [thumbsupbig][bigwhistle] Whatevs.I was replying to ozscotts post about what you can do with a defender you can do with a d2, same with a d1/rrc.

Not sure what you are talking about though.

[Tins]

Yep good point. I use an instant up Coleman Gold and stretchers with self inflators and my boys and I did the far North in comfort with very quick set up and pack up times. Cheers

Yep. The whole discussion is pointless, really, as it's horses for courses, and my needs differ from yours. I wish I could keep my D2 and do what it is I want to do. It would be cheaper, as you say. But, I will probably be living in what I get. No way my D2 is OK for that.

[scarry]

Many years ago,SWMBO got in the Deefer to move it while i was out.

She couldn't find where the ignition was,so it didn't get moved. [biggrin]

It was at night,the interior light isn't that bright.

Hasn't wanted to drive it since.

Great we all recon...

Cant get her out of the D4 drivers seat though.

[Tins]

You cant say the defenders are desirable just because they are iconic. The defender is iconic for good reasons and not all of it is historical.

Now more than ever, it is versatile in ways most other 4x4s are not. Defender has scope for 90, 110, 130, utes, camper bodies, pop tops, ambulances, fire engines.... bolt ons galore!

You cannot 'build' a D1-2-3-4-5 like you can a defender. A defender has 35 years of genuine parts to choose from. Then theres the aftermarket which is huge. There have been countless custom builds done for services, overlanders and enthusiasts. Its all out there, pick and choose or dare to attempt something unique.

Durability and practicallity - yep, still got it. If you smash up a panel, unbolt it and replace. The engine and driveline all sit in space that is easilly accessible should you need to spin a spanner. It has a high usable payload with versatile range of suspension options to suit.

A defender is a 4x4 that can get out there and explore worldwide. The rest are almost entirely family orientated SUVs for sophisticated markets.

For these reasons and more it is still one of the best expedition/adventure 4x4s available. Prices reflect that. SUVs in the show rooms today do not even come close.

Yep. After a Defender, you are left with a Troopy, or an OKA. Or, if you are rich, a Gelandenwagen. Great vehicles, no doubt ( unless you speak to the Emergency Services ), but one hell of a price for a starting point, and where are the bits? MB are hard pressed supplying the cars.

[ozscott]

Yep. The whole discussion is pointless, really, as it's horses for courses, and my needs differ from yours. I wish I could keep my D2 and do what it is I want to do. It would be cheaper, as you say. But, I will probably be living in what I get. No way my D2 is OK for that.The 110 has a bit more room for sure. Would the D2 work for you John if you removed all seating bar fronts?

Cheers

[cripesamighty]

As has often been said before on this forum - there is a Land Rover for every stage of your life!

[Tins]

The choice is endless if you don't want a Defender.

Name me one with a 130" wheelbase that can be made into a wagon, with a pop top, fitted out with full airbag suspension, and fitted with a 3.2 for less than a std Troopy with merely a pop top and some suspension work and some cupboards. Name me one, other than a Troopy, that can be converted into a true poptop motorhome/camper. Don't say a G-Wagen, as it fails all fences here. What "endless" choices do you see? Serious question, Zeroes, as I am looking for just that car right now. The only thing close is a secondhand OKA. I would love to hear of alternatives.

[Tins]

The 110 has a bit more room for sure. Would the D2 work for you John if you removed all seating bar fronts?

Cheers

No. I wish that it would, as I have two here to build from. I need to be able to live in and from the car. I have spent half of my life towing something, and am allergic to doing it now. I am 6'1" in the old language. I need tools, fridges, but, being nearly 65, I mostly need comfort.

Perhaps I could use both D2s to make a decent ute with a trayon or something, but then I'd never go, and go is what I need to do.

I would spend, once the house sells, up to around $100K on the Defender, or OKA, I want.

[Vern]

Name me one with a 130" wheelbase that can be made into a wagon, with a pop top, fitted out with full airbag suspension, and fitted with a 3.2 for less than a std Troopy with merely a pop top and some suspension work and some cupboards. Name me one, other than a Troopy, that can be converted into a true poptop motorhome/camper. Don't say a G-Wagen, as it fails all fences here. What "endless" choices do you see? Serious question, Zeroes, as I am looking for just that car right now. The only thing close is a secondhand OKA. I would love to hear of alternatives.A ford ranger? Same wheelbase amd is a 3.2.

[Tins]

A ford ranger?

My son has one of those, and I can seriously answer, that while is a good family ute, it meets absolutely NONE of my needs.

[Vern]

My son has one of those, and I can seriously answer, that while is a good family ute, it meets absolutely NONE of my needs.Yes, but it does have two of those things you asked for[emoji6].

I actually looked at one yesterday in the prospect of being a new car, took less than 30 seconds to cross it off the list. No room

[1nando]

Name me one with a 130" wheelbase that can be made into a wagon, with a pop top, fitted out with full airbag suspension, and fitted with a 3.2 for less than a std Troopy with merely a pop top and some suspension work and some cupboards. Name me one, other than a Troopy, that can be converted into a true poptop motorhome/camper. Don't say a G-Wagen, as it fails all fences here. What "endless" choices do you see? Serious question, Zeroes, as I am looking for just that car right now. The only thing close is a secondhand OKA. I would love to hear of alternatives.4.2ltr Patrol would surely get a start. Probably the toughest factory 4wd released in Australia. Bullet proof engine, drive train and very relaible. The Patrol went south after that.

Dont get me wrong im a defender man through and through but the 4.2 ltr Patrol is a excellent vehicle still commanding $40k plus for a good one

[Tins]

4.2ltr Patrol would surely get a start. Probably the toughest factory 4wd released in Australia. Bullet proof engine, drive train and very relaible. The Patrol went south after that.

Dont get me wrong im a defender man through and through but the 4.2 ltr Patrol is a excellent vehicle still commanding $40k plus for a good one

PopTop or similar? Two doors pref ( sorry, didn't say that bit )? I've never seen one. 130"?

I agree that they are tough.

[1nando]

PopTop or similar? Two doors pref ( sorry, didn't say that bit )? I've never seen one. 130"?

I agree that they are tough.Not quiet a pop top roof camper but its close. Meets pretty much all your other requirements too.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/632.jpg

[Vern]

Saw a ford ranger of the same configuration today, was towing a tinny which had a roof top tent on it. Was well thought out

[Zeros]

Name me one with a 130" wheelbase that can be made into a wagon, with a pop top, fitted out with full airbag suspension, and fitted with a 3.2 for less than a std Troopy with merely a pop top and some suspension work and some cupboards. Name me one, other than a Troopy, that can be converted into a true poptop motorhome/camper. Don't say a G-Wagen, as it fails all fences here. What "endless" choices do you see? Serious question, Zeroes, as I am looking for just that car right now. The only thing close is a secondhand OKA. I would love to hear of alternatives.

It sounds like you want a Defender Johntins.

I didnt say there were any other vehicles like a Defender, there aren't. That's why Defenders are unique. That's why the prices are holding. There's nothing else comparable, as you've identified.

However if you don't want the characteristics you're looking for - ie: a Defender - then there is endless choice.

[ozscott]

The 130's I see value in...the 110's not so much...the 90 not at all.

Cheers

[DiscoMick]

Just buy one of these.
Then you can do this. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/635.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/636.jpg

[Zeros]

If this price is about right I'm under insured on mine !

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/brunswick/cars-vans-utes/1998-land-rover-defender-300tdi/1175777162


Mine is '95 with about 120K on the clock.


Colin

Beautiful. Last of the 300 Tdi. Easily worth $20K even without all the accessories IMO.

If yours is in in same condition Colin, absolutely worth more.

[gromit]

Beautiful. Last of the 300 Tdi. Easily worth $20K even without all the accessories IMO.

If yours is in in same condition Colin, absolutely worth more.

Looks like I need to re-insure.
No rust in mine, low Kms, sill tanks, 9 seats etc. etc.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/645.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23e5xpT)DSCN4568 (https://flic.kr/p/23e5xpT) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr


Colin

[Andrew86]

The 130's I see value in...the 110's not so much...the 90 not at all.

Blaspheme. They're all beautiful.

[Zeros]

Looks like I need to re-insure.
No rust in mine, low Kms, sill tanks, 9 seats etc. etc.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/645.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23e5xpT)DSCN4568 (https://flic.kr/p/23e5xpT) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr


Colin

...and it's a Tanami edition! Very nice. How many kms?

[Chops]

...and it's a Tanami edition! Very nice. How many kms?


120 K

[ozscott]

Haha. Beauty is not in question. They are all beautiful.

Cheers

[Vern]

PopTop or similar? Two doors pref ( sorry, didn't say that bit )? I've never seen one. 130"?

I agree that they are tough.Log in to Facebook | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/aulro/permalink/10155300996851186/)

Not sure if you do facebook, but found this. Its on grays online too. 130 camper

[ozscott]

Just buy one of these.
Then you can do this. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/635.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/636.jpgOr a D2 and this...[emoji41]



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/669.jpg

[ATH]

Mines just sold. Not for quite as much as I wanted first off but at least it went to a Landie man with a 2A in the shed as well. At least I held off accepting offers from the gumnutters..... "Would you swap for my 3ltr Nissan and boat......?"
My reply..."Is that the Nissan known as the grenade? If so I suggest you take the engine out, put it in the boat and go a long way out to sea and remove the bung. Do not take an EPIRB or lifejacket".
There were others as well which I generally regarded as just **** takers and ignored.
The Cook is not happy..... [biggrin]
AlanH.

[AndyG]

The funny thing, i like to think of my future grandchild (pay attention children) rumbling around in the My15 Defender, scaring the autonomous vehicles in 30 years, meanwhile i will probably have had anumber of discovery / mb/ bmw type SUV vehicles all turned into razor blades without a backward look. Why, they have something

[DiscoMick]

I was considering being cremated in mine, but the oldest son keeps dropping hints. I'm planning to be around to annoy the family for quite a long time, so he better be patient.

[ATH]

My Puma gets picked up next Thursday by the new country based owner. I've packed all the stuff in that I've got for it like a new air and oil filter etc. plus the oil for gear box, t/case and diffs. and other bits and pieces.
I always carried spare filters when on a trip on a just in case basis. Certainly much easier to change the filter than try and clean one.
Pity to see it go but sometimes you have to admit that you can't keep doing those things you always used to. :(
AlanH.

[Mittsy]

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2003/SSE-AD-5302896)

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2003/SSE-AD-5157242)


I’d love to know what makes this clown think he can buy this 110 3 months ago For 22k and try and sell it for 36k I really hope some poor burger doesn’t pay that for it

[Zeros]

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2003/SSE-AD-5302896)

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2003/SSE-AD-5157242)


I’d love to know what makes this clown think he can buy this 110 3 months ago For 22k and try and sell it for 36k I really hope some poor burger doesn’t pay that for it

Growth Capitalism. Supply and demand. Perceived value. Competition policy. Wealthy society. High cost of living. Exclusivity. Market driven economy. Shiny paint and phat wheels.

[Zeros]

...also this:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/webkit-fake-url://b11120c7-ac7a-41d9-b66b-23fd963a460c/imagejpeg
"In the 130-year history of the automobile, there is only one car that can be associated with both pig farmers and Queen Elizabeth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC8YFYh-jnI). Forget Volkswagen, the Land Rover Defender is the true “people’s car.” With pragmatic sensibilities and no-nonsense styling that appeals to pretty much everyone, everywhere, the Defender can be found right the way from Sunset Strip to your local gravel pit.
If you want to buy one today, you can choose to pay almost $100,000 for the special “Autobiography” edition, or you can grab a secondhand one for as little as four or five thousand bucks. Really, this is a club that anyone can afford to join."

And while increasingly the second hand hand ones are costing more than $5K, it may well be that the price simply continues to rise, especially for immaculate examples.

"The original Range Rover was designed in an attempt to tame the Defender into something more civilised."

We are all no doubt guilty of taking the iconic nature of Series/Defenders for granted, but we should all be very clear that nothing else like it is ever going to come along again. Current prices reflect that. They also reflect the fact that the only comparable vehicles on the market (G Professional & Toyota 76) cost significantly more than Defender ever did.

Not everyone wants 'something more civilised', despite Land Rover switching their market focus.

[Jake93]

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2003/SSE-AD-5302896)

We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2003/SSE-AD-5157242)


I’d love to know what makes this clown think he can buy this 110 3 months ago For 22k and try and sell it for 36k I really hope some poor burger doesn’t pay that for it



Pretty much on par with this bloke and his 2012 for 72 grand.. We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2012/SSE-AD-5303994) like did he not even look at what others were listed for? A 2013 with leather and a sunroof winch and some extra kit just sold for 46 so this one that’s basic AF has got Buckley’s chance for that sort of money lol

[Zeros]

Most things we buy are potentially cheaper somewhere else. You don't have to buy it if you think it's too expensive. ...He probably won't sell it for that, but maybe the other one is actually under priced? Normally someone under-selling would be seen as the numpty. Intriguing.

Why so surprised? The growth capitalist free market system encourages people to charge as much as they can. Where you draw the line is up to you. It applies to pretty much everything.

[Zeros]

...I just did a quick scan of carsales. Most Defender prices are on par, if slightly under prices for used Landcruiser 76. There are a few silly prices being tried on, but on the whole there are plenty of reasonably priced Defenders there IMO. Around $40k with 100,000km on the clock looks pretty fair to me.

[Zeros]

...I just did a quick scan of carsales. Most Defender prices are on par, if slightly under prices for used Landcruiser 76. There are a few silly prices being tried on, but on the whole there are plenty of reasonably priced Defenders there IMO. Around $40k with 100,000km on the clock looks pretty fair to me.

...PS: Get one while you can.

[Pickles2]

Definitely a bit of variation in pricing isn't there?
In deference to the new owner, I ain't going to disclose the price, but will say that we received slightly more than what we paid new from ULR, for our very heavily optioned 2013 90 with 60Ks, but in mint, probably as good as new condition, but there were some spares with the sale, so including the cost of them, we got slightly less.
Pickles.

[Andrew86]

A 2013 with leather and a sunroof winch and some extra kit just sold for 46 so this one that’s basic AF

Looking at the prices people pay for five year old Defenders makes me scared to take my 2016 out of the garage. It'll probably be a six figure car soon! [tonguewink]

[Zeros]

Looking at the prices people pay for five year old Defenders makes me scared to take my 2016 out of the garage. It'll probably be a six figure car soon! [tonguewink]

I know! when did it become the new normal that a work vehicle costs $80-$100K? It's partly the dual cab ute market growing so fast into the $50K+ segment of the market. They are essentially big cars, rather than small trucks. Pushing the Defender/70 Series/G-Professional into the higher priced low volume specialty bracket.
...But that's what's happening!

[Tins]

The 130's I see value in...the 110's not so much...the 90 not at all.

Cheers

A 90 would be useless for what I want, love 'em as I do. A 110 would be OK, Mulgo'd up. The 130 would be almost perfection ( Defender issues aside ). For me it's all grist for the mill, as I'm not yet in a position to buy.

[Tins]

Pretty much on par with this bloke and his 2012 for 72 grand.. We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2012/SSE-AD-5303994) like did he not even look at what others were listed for? A 2013 with leather and a sunroof winch and some extra kit just sold for 46 so this one that’s basic AF has got Buckley’s chance for that sort of money lol

Look at it this way: he may just get it. What does that do to the market? What does that say for the punters? Perhaps Defenders ARE going to become collector's items.

I mean.... We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Volkswagen-Kombi-Transporter-1955/SSE-AD-4960797/?Cr=1)

[martnH]

I hope my grandkids will like the defender.
But that's probably not gonna happen.

I think it's a generation thing. I love defender because I wanted one when I was a kid.I must have seen it in a poster or something. Later when I was doing my education overseas, there was a British army base near by the uni. I walled by their fence almost everyday, staring at those 90s. So I bought one

Defender didn't change the look for almost 50 years so it probably can attract three or four generations of potential buyers.

My grandkids will be different. They will probably look at the defender as a stupid truck like how I view Ford model T or some other vintage car...They will probably use the exact same words I use to describe them...."good to look at, terrible to drive"

[Shoogs]

I think this will be the go for most older Defenders Defender 90 and 110 for sale. Customized Land Rover Defenders hand built as new in our UK workshop (http://www.arkonik.com/)

There will always be the classic collectors however with the advance of hybrid, electric and emissions issues, new drive trains etc... all are a very viable option for the near future.

I have a 96 110 Camel Trophy and after being back in Perth for 2 weeks I have decided it’s not a daily driver anymore, more so because it’s just becoming to valuable and to hard to insure properly for everyday use... so it’s now back in secure storage, I just hope the rusting Jags don’t spread to it...

[Rolly]

I hope my grandkids will like the defender.
But that's probably not gonna happen.

I think it's a generation thing. I love defender because I wanted one when I was a kid.I must have seen it in a poster or something. Later when I was doing my education overseas, there was a British army base near by the uni. I walled by their fence almost everyday, staring at those 90s. So I bought one

Defender didn't change the look for almost 50 years so it probably can attract three or four generations of potential buyers.

My grandkids will be different. They will probably look at the defender as a stupid truck like how I view Ford model T or some other vintage car...They will probably use the exact same words I use to describe them...."good to look at, terrible to drive"

Nope,

i disagree. There’s a lot of things where my kids think I’m the biggest dag. Having a Defender is possibly the only thing they reckon I got right. Furthermore, as the bin lids started moving towards being teenagers there was less they wanted to do,.....until we got the Defender.
they now love driving in it and each wants to inherit it.

keep the faith!

[MrKeswick16]

All food for thought!

I have a 2016 built 90 that’s my daily drive (3-4 times per week), kept on the street and loved beyond belief!

I enjoy keeping an eye on prices (have done for years) although, are we really going to sell?!!

Someone could offer me 200k tomorrow and I wouldn’t accept, it’s my third child!

[Tins]

I have a 96 110 Camel Trophy

Probably the GTHO Phase III of Landrovers. Hang on to that, the grand kids will love you. Or your memory, at least.

[DiscoMick]

Our two adult sons and daughter all like our 2009 Defender and one of our daughters in law also enjoys driving it. The wife says it's not a city car, which is true, but we bought it for travel, so that's OK. We don't commute in ours, so it's under a carport most of the time, but gets a good run most weekends. Our oldest son keeps commenting on cool Defenders he sees in Sydney. The youngest grandson, aged three, gets all excited when we arrive in "Poppy's car". I think it will come to represent a past era in motoring.

[Shoogs]

Probably the GTHO Phase III of Landrovers. Hang on to that, the grand kids will love you. Or your memory, at least.

If only it went like one...

[OneOff]

If I had that sort of spare change lying around (and some do), I'd buy that Kombi for that price - no question.
It's beautifully immaculate and you can see the work and money gone into it.

It's a shame they've dropped it though; and at that level of restoration surprising that the bench seat hasn't been tarted up.

[Andrew86]

Someone could offer me 200k tomorrow and I wouldn’t accept, it’s my third child!

$200k would be mighty tempting. That's air cooled 911 money.

[Pickles2]

Just had a look at Carsales relative to low K 90s.
All I can say is pricing is certainly not coming down from the last time I looked several months ago,......lots in the $70/80s, the highest being $135K for a "new" Heritage.
Pickles.

[Zeros]

If the next Defender is the real deal, current model prices will drop. If it’s a showpony lightweight, prices for classic Defenders in excellent condition will rise.

But, it will be uncool to drive a non hybrid / elec vehicle in 10 years time. So Defender prices might drop anyway.

$200k for my Defender? Well, I could almost pay off my house. Hmm

[JDNSW]

............

But, it will be uncool to drive a non hybrid / elec vehicle in 10 years time. ......

Latest prediction I have seen (not from an EV enthusiast) is that Electric vehicles will sell 19% of the market in twenty years. EV enthusiasts are predicting 90% in five years. I suspect the former is closer.

[Zeros]

Latest prediction I have seen (not from an EV enthusiast) is that Electric vehicles will sell 19% of the market in twenty years. EV enthusiasts are predicting 90% in five years. I suspect the former is closer.

I reckon it will be in between, around 50% in 20 years...which will be a large portion of the new vehicle market. Hybrid will become the norm more quickly than that. $$ and fuel price will drive it more than the environment as usual.

[Pickles2]

I don't see E.V.'s becoming anywhere near as prevalent as quickly as some comments hear suggest.
Of course, I'm definitely not saying there's not a future for these vehicles, but IMHO at 10 yrs, I reckon the internal combustion engine will still be the major player. (Getting a bit off topic here!)
Pickles.

[Zeros]

Current Defender prices don’t look to have dropped at all since new Defender pre-launch photos in December. If anything they may have risen a little?

Whats the consensus? will they continue to rise for classic Defenders, or begin to fall as new Defender is released like most other models?

[JDNSW]

I doubt there is a consensus - to a large extent it depends on what the new one is like.

[Zeros]

I doubt there is a consensus - to a large extent it depends on what the new one is like.

Yes agreed, consensus is the wrong word. ...but it’s interesting that prices dont look to have moved down at all. Early days I know and it’s very difficult to judge.

[DiscoMick]

Doubt if prices will move for some time. Then Puma prices will fall, but series prices will keep rising, is my prediction. After about 20 years Puma prices will rise again.

[scarry]

Latest prediction I have seen (not from an EV enthusiast) is that Electric vehicles will sell 19% of the market in twenty years. EV enthusiasts are predicting 90% in five years. I suspect the former is closer.

Looking at EV sales in Aus,

Around 0.18% of the new vehicle market at the moment,up very slightly from 2017,and2016.

So a long,long way to go.

No way it will be anything like 90% in 5 years,they are definitely dreaming.

It will be lucky to be 5% in 5 years on current trends.

And thats over 50 000 vehicles,up from around 1200 per annum,which in real terms,and trends, also seems very very optimistic.

[Zeros]

I don’t think current trends mean much in terms of EV’s. Over the next three years many new models of EV are coming into the market. The charging network will grow faster than most think too. In 5 years everything will have changed. ...not least climate change and more urgent crack downs on high emissions vehicles.

...the big question in terms of Defender prices is, will classic diesel Defenders hold their value? Or will they be too difficult to run?

Of course diesel will be around much longer than 5 years, but change will be rapid once EVs become the norm...it’s sooner than most could have imagined IMO.

[scarry]

I don’t think current trends mean much in terms of EV’s. Over the next three years many new models of EV are coming into the market. The charging network will grow faster than most think too. In 5 years everything will have changed. ...not least climate change and more urgent crack downs on high emissions vehicles.

...the big question in terms of Defender prices is, will classic diesel Defenders hold their value? Or will they be too difficult to run?

Of course diesel will be around much longer than 5 years, but change will be rapid once EVs become the norm...it’s sooner than most could have imagined IMO.

They will always be able to be run (Defender),as will the millions of other diesel road vehicles,and its not just road vehicles that need diesel.

Vehicles,and other machinery with ICE,are still going to be manufactured for many years to come,they are not going to vanish overnight.

Price of old model Defenders will be whatever the supply and demand is,and what people will be prepared to pay.

If you look at vehicles that are worth a lot of money,they are generally very rare models,very few around.

The Defender, ATM,is not rare,there are heaps around.

So prices will probably stay where they are for quite a while.

I don't think the new model will have any bearing on what the old model is worth,as it will be a completely different vehicle,in a different class

[martnH]

Price will drop once we enter recession

[Eevo]

Price will drop once we enter recession

when will that be?

[scarry]

when will that be?

What,haven’t you got a crystal ball?

[Eevo]

What,haven’t you got a crystal ball?

i did, but i put it in a friends defender and it fell out between some misaligned body panels.

[cuppabillytea]

i did, but i put it in a friends defender and it fell out between some misaligned body panels.
I can't get batteries for mine anymore. Have to rely on the collective wisdom atAULRO.

[scarry]

i did, but i put it in a friends defender and it fell out between some misaligned body panels.

Well hopefully that won't happen when the friend gets the new model[thumbsupbig]

[Zeros]

You’ve all got it wrong! [bigwhistle] The Defender itself is the crystal ball, the tardis, the time-machine.

Mine are telling me ...the ‘recession’ will come if renewables do not replace fossils as the driver of our economy in the near future.

[DeanoH]

I thought this one might set some sort of record for 'asking price'. :o

2015 Land Rover Defender 90 MY16 Adventure Orange 6 Speed Manual Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Logan Area - Slacks Creek | 1211169717 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/slacks-creek/cars-vans-utes/2015-land-rover-defender-90-my16-adventure-orange-6-speed-manual-wagon/1211169717)

Deano :)


(https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/slacks-creek/cars-vans-utes/2015-land-rover-defender-90-my16-adventure-orange-6-speed-manual-wagon/1211169717)

[scarry]

That one is visible from the M1,its parked next to a nice D4,with heaps of accessories,at the dealer.

I think they are out the front to remind people what LR used to sell....[bigwhistle]

[Larry]

I thought this one might set some sort of record for 'asking price'. :o

2015 Land Rover Defender 90 MY16 Adventure Orange 6 Speed Manual Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Logan Area - Slacks Creek | 1211169717 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/slacks-creek/cars-vans-utes/2015-land-rover-defender-90-my16-adventure-orange-6-speed-manual-wagon/1211169717)

Deano :)


(https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/slacks-creek/cars-vans-utes/2015-land-rover-defender-90-my16-adventure-orange-6-speed-manual-wagon/1211169717)

That's a cheap one (compared to these at least).:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2015/OAG-AD-16873939/?Cr=66

Ever more $$$$$$
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Land-Rover-Defender-2015/SSE-AD-5876222/?Cr=34

[Zeros]

I wonder if any of the heritage models are actually selling for that price?

[Greg4427]

I wonder if any of the heritage models are actually selling for that price?

Unlike with houses there is no displayed actual price when sold, pity, as then we’d know [bigsad]

[martnH]

Hi recession confirmed today.

[DiscoMick]

New vehicle sales down 9% last quarter.

[martnH]

Sorry for the late reply

I predicted recession confirmed on March 6
when will that be?

[carpdvl]

Sorry for the late reply

I predicted recession confirmed on March 6Hate to be a stickler but it's a per capita recession. Population growth is still driving the economy so technically not a recession.


Probably right that it is coming soon though...

[DiscoMick]

Yep, stop immigration and we'd be in a full-blown recession.

[martnH]

Hi the technicalities don't matter becuase how the recession works is it change people's expectations for the future.

The word recession itself is enough to make the public lower their expectations for th future. Some will give up hope of a wage increase, some will worry they may lose jobs. The obviously they won't throw big bucks on a defender any more

The 0.1 or 0.2 difference, or whether it's a "genuine" recession or not, realys doesn't matter. It matters to the politician ******* and our media ******* perhaps.

Cheers
Hate to be a stickler but it's a per capita recession. Population growth is still driving the economy so technically not a recession.


Probably right that it is coming soon though...

[martnH]

For the record the IMF's definition of a recession is on per capita basis.

The ******* is strong with our government

[carpdvl]

For the record the IMF's definition of a recession is on per capita basis.

The ******* is strong with our governmentLearn something new every day! I'll add that to the old brain bank

[Zeros]

This so-called ‘recession’ doesn’t seem to be affecting Defender prices...they might become a bull market in the lead up to 2020.

The US Stockmarket doesn’t look like slowing down either. Run, bull, run. Longest bull market looks to keep going (https://www.apnews.com/22b2a817498442d3a4d22d128c29805f)

Australia’s slow down is off the back of poor wages growth and companies putting it into profits instead. The rich are getting richer. the spin is a recession IMO.

[Eevo]

so has the price dropped yet?

[Zeros]

so has the price dropped yet?

Price of what? Food? No. Fuel? No. Housing? No, not really. Land Rovers? No. Although 5 year warranty on a $100K Disco 5 is ‘on sale’ ...bargain! [bigwhistle] Considering Discos cost $60K Just a few years ago.

[DiscoMick]

Got the official valuations of our properties today and they are up.

[DiscoMick]

Problem is, can people afford to buy them? When money is tight people keep their old clunkers running longer before replacing them.
Our friendly real estate agent says the word is developers have stopped buying development sites and are sitting on their hands waiting until after the NSW and federal elections, when they expect the end to uncertainty will see a lift in activity.
National exports are going well but the profits aren't flowing to consumers, who are tightening their belts. And the banks have made it significantly harder to get a housing loan.
Hopefully by mid year the uncertainty will ease, consumers will get wage rises and the economy will start moving again.

[scarry]

Got the official valuations of our properties today and they are up.

Hmm,not good for those that pay one of the unfairest taxes of all,land tax.

But lets not go there.

We don't want to get too far off topic again[tonguewink]

[Zeros]

Problem is, can people afford to buy them? When money is tight people keep their old clunkers running longer before replacing them.
Our friendly real estate agent says the word is developers have stopped buying development sites and are sitting on their hands waiting until after the NSW and federal elections, when they expect the end to uncertainty will see a lift in activity.
National exports are going well but the profits aren't flowing to consumers, who are tightening their belts. And the banks have made it significantly harder to get a housing loan.
Hopefully by mid year the uncertainty will ease, consumers will get wage rises and the economy will start moving again.

Isn’t this political Mick? [bigwhistle]:bat: Or is it the culture of financial markets that waits for election results?

[Zeros]

Hmm,not good for those that pay one of the unfairest taxes of all,land tax.

But lets not go there.

We don't want to get too far off topic again[tonguewink]

No we won’t be discussing whose land is being taxed. Although driving Land Rovers across Land is also taxed. Defender prices still haven’t come down.

[scarry]

My D4 is going to tax me heavily in the next couple of days,brakes,timing belts,service,etc.[bighmmm]

[Eevo]

Price of what? Food? No. Fuel? No. Housing? No, not really. Land Rovers? No. Although 5 year warranty on a $100K Disco 5 is ‘on sale’ ...bargain! [bigwhistle] Considering Discos cost $60K Just a few years ago.

is it really a recession if prices dont go down?

[Zeros]

is it really a recession if prices dont go down?

Nope.

[DiscoMick]

If growth doesn't keep up with inflation then we go backwards. If we go backwards for two successive quarters it's a recession.

[martnH]

I actually know a bit about economics. Master of science in economics

First thing first. What is purpose of measuring GDP or GDP per capita. It is to track the economy output but also to track living standards.

It means you can have 10 coffees from a barista per week now. But if you only have 2 coffes from a barista and 15 instant coffee, it's a drop in living standard. The barista is not producing that at coffees for you. It's a production drop and also a drop in living standard. This is usually means recession. That barista may lose the job the year after.

In order to compare living standards across countries, we invented GDP per capita at ppp. Purchasing power parity.
So yes the GDP per capita is the only relevant measure of living standards. not the overall GDP. Only by assuming no or very little population growth, then overall GDP can serve as a surrogate for per capita GDP. This applys to most developed countries. But not Australia with 1.6% population growth annually.

Simply, Australia should not use overall GDP to measure living standards but only percapita GDP. Most media ( very disappointing)and government ******* like to play that little tricks on the public.
Once you understand this, you will then understand what I mean in my last post. it was my first time to know the term "per capita recession" vs " full-on recession". what a load of BS
full-on genuine recession? what does that even mean?

with a population growth of 1.6% annually, you better assume the average immigrants ( including refuges) have a higher skill than the locals. Otherwise importing refugees will only decrease our living standard most definitely in the short term. maybe maybe not in the long term. that is the macroecnomics theory that I know.

In fact the per capita GDP is not an ideal tracker for living standards.but real net national disposable income. And it shows our living standards decrease since 2015.

anyway whether its a recession or not, we shall know for sure in the next 5 years.
for a product like defender, the price will only go down.... because its cheaply made.....
I just cant see how one day defender can became a classic car......

p.s. I love my defender...still


Cheers

[martnH]

Check my post above
Learn something new every day! I'll add that to the old brain bank

[Zeros]

Defender is already a classic car. Refugees are not ‘imported’ they are escaping extreme oppression; and they’re qualifications are often not recognised here. If our standard of living drops slightly it’s not a recession, but perhaps a correction, given our expectations are perhaps unrealistically high. If Australia is actually in a recession in 5 years it will be largely due to global factors as we rely so heavily on foreign trade, and in part due to us having killed off so much homegrown industry (including car manufacturing) in pursuit of a higher standard of living (ie cheaper imports).

[DiscoMick]

Immigration was about 160,000 last year from memory. Refugees were only 12,900 target. So talking about refugees is a distraction, it's overall immigration that is important.
Our immigration programme is targeted to people with skills to offer.
Anyway this is way off the topic of this thread.

[scarry]

Anyway this is way off the topic of this thread.

Really?[biggrin]

Never happens on here[biggrin]

The trouble with the immigration,is there isn't the infrastructure to support it.

Without going on and on,one only has to look at the situation with the roads in SEQ.

We are on them all day with work,and probably sit in traffic twice as long as we did 5 to 6 yrs ago,and not much is being done about it.
Anything that is being done is many years behind what really needs doing,and is only a band aid,just look at the Northern part,heading north of the Gateway.

Anyway,back to Defenders,so the price is still pretty stable,and in my opinion will stay that way,or probably drop for most models,except maybe a few of the very last 'specials'.

[Pickles2]

IMHO the price of good low k Pumas are holding up extremely well, in fact better than most other vehicles, and Defender is already a "classic", ..always was,...always will be.
Pickles.

[Shoogs]

All very interesting, but I think my Camel Trophy 110 is probably holding its value... as is my Puma.

[martnH]

high property price will bring down defender price. You don't want a mortgage to compete with defender car loan, do you?

Chèers
Really?[biggrin]

Never happens on here[biggrin]

The trouble with the immigration,is there isn't the infrastructure to support it.

Without going on and on,one only has to look at the situation with the roads in SEQ.

We are on them all day with work,and probably sit in traffic twice as long as we did 5 to 6 yrs ago,and not much is being done about it.
Anything that is being done is many years behind what really needs doing,and is only a band aid,just look at the Northern part,heading north of the Gateway.

Anyway,back to Defenders,so the price is still pretty stable,and in my opinion will stay that way,or probably drop for most models,except maybe a few of the very last 'specials'.

[DiscoMick]

Our Defender seems to be holding it's value. And we own it outright. Only put your own cash into things that rise in value is the theory.

[Zeros]

Defender prices have risen by at least 20% in the past 5 years. Low km Defenders even more.

Its rare indeed for a recent production vehicle to rise so much. I believe it’s partly a correction because prices were too low in comparison to the competition in the first place and partly icon status. ...the big question is, will they stay high in 2020 with the new model?

[scarry]

Defender prices have risen by at least 20% in the past 5 years. Low km Defenders even more.

Its rare indeed for a recent production vehicle to rise so much. I believe it’s partly a correction because prices were too low in comparison to the competition in the first place and partly icon status. ...the big question is, will they stay high in 2020 with the new model?

The rise was more than likely due to the substantial increase of new prices,before they were discontinued.

Like i said,prices may stay stable or even drop,in the short to medium term,Defenders definitely are not a sought after rare vehicle.There are heaps of them around.

Its the 'special models' that are rare and will probably increase in price,as they may be sought after,particularly as time marches on.

Thats the norm with many vehicles.

Prices will depend on what people are willing to pay.

In 50yrs time,who knows.

To keep a vehicle for that sort of time(50yrs),there will be quite a few costs involved,so there is recouping thats needed,which may off set any gain.

Some are saying that a good classic is worth a lot of money,sure they are.But a lot of money has also been spent on them,same with a good series vehicle.

These vehicles are often sold for less than was spent on them.

[ATH]

Instead of dreaming about how much money owners of Defenders think they're going to bank when they sell it, I suggest they actually sell it first as I think there's a lot of hype going on around what people are paying.
Moving our Puma took longer than flogging any other vehicle we've ever sold. Average kays done about 25K pa over 7 years hence the 175K on the clock. But it had been well serviced and looked after inside and out with no rust or bruises, no hard flogging, mostly touring miles.
I dropped the price by 7 grand (from 42K to 35) just to get it off the driveway despite all the predictions of "You'll make a fortune"......
AlanH.

[Eevo]

Instead of dreaming about how much money owners of Defenders think they're going to bank when they sell it, I suggest they actually sell it first as I think there's a lot of hype going on around what people are paying.
Moving our Puma took longer than flogging any other vehicle we've ever sold. Average kays done about 25K pa over 7 years hence the 175K on the clock. But it had been well serviced and looked after inside and out with no rust or bruises, no hard flogging, mostly touring miles.
I dropped the price by 7 grand (from 42K to 35) just to get it off the driveway despite all the predictions of "You'll make a fortune"......
AlanH.

still about 35k overpriced

[Zeros]

Instead of dreaming about how much money owners of Defenders think they're going to bank when they sell it, I suggest they actually sell it first as I think there's a lot of hype going on around what people are paying.
Moving our Puma took longer than flogging any other vehicle we've ever sold. Average kays done about 25K pa over 7 years hence the 175K on the clock. But it had been well serviced and looked after inside and out with no rust or bruises, no hard flogging, mostly touring miles.
I dropped the price by 7 grand (from 42K to 35) just to get it off the driveway despite all the predictions of "You'll make a fortune"......
AlanH.

Cheers ATH, that’s probably the first real world sales figure we’ve seen in this thread? $35k 175km is still a pretty good price IMO.

The prices on Carsales are all speculative, hence the thread. Regardless of top dollar dreaming, Defender prices seem to be holding up unusually well second hand.

[DiscoMick]

Definitely a lot of speculation going on.
We paid $35,000 for ours when it had about 80k on the clock. Now it has 127k and I think its still worth about the same.

[Zeros]

I doubt many are being sold for $80k+

[hpal]

I bought my 2005 td5 110 a few years ago for $17000 (236000km), made many improvements and sold it 2 years later for $22000 (275000km), which was a fair price considering the amount of work I'd done, it was twice the vehicle it was when I got it.

Now I've got a D3 and you couldn't get me back into an old Defender.

[scarry]

This one is a cracker[biggrin]


https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/woonona/cars-vans-utes/land-rover-defender-manual-4x4-my-11/1215106309

[ozscott]

A beauty mate. 18,500k 2011 110 in picture perfect stock condition for $13,400 (so read high 12k) is about right...and shows what a joke some of the adds are).

Cheers

[Zeros]

Sounds a bit too good to be true to me. $25-30k with such low kms would be more realistic.
But if it’s fair dinkum, it’s a bargain.

[blackrangie]

Fake for sure [emoji20], look at their other adds

[ozscott]

Could be although be seems to have been a seller for.a while. Funny though cause that's what I would pay for that vehicle. Just shows everyone has a different idea of market value.

Cheers

[ozscott]

Sold....

[blackrangie]

Could be although be seems to have been a seller for.a while. Funny though cause that's what I would pay for that vehicle. Just shows everyone has a different idea of market value.

CheersI checked the seller, said April 2019 from memory, had lots of vehicles from multiple states, including tractors, caravans, new Merc for 15k and a resi addresses and false landline.[emoji20]

As Zero says, would have been a steal, ive helped 3 mate by defenders, that was less than half the price it should have been. Scotty if ya see any again that cheap, buy it or let us know [emoji41] double your money pretty quick.

[blackrangie]

Scamhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/d0a8229cc40be0e73818c2936092f5e4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/30e3fe481d9e2e4e0dfe2485f20f5555.jpg

[Rolly]

I’m probably the only one , yet, when I read that post above it was all in Heavy Russian accent.
Vot u dhink Boris,...Is steal!!

[blackrangie]

I’m probably the only one , yet, when I read that post above it was all in Heavy Russian accent.
Vot u dhink Boris,...Is steal!![emoji23]

[ozscott]

Yep looks like a scam...jeez even I would consider getting that red 110 and slumming it out of my D2 for a while at that price [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji16][emoji16]

[dazzler]

Folks

I have now gone down a different path (3 down to 2 cars + camper), and sadly need to let this (family favourite) truck go. It has everything on my wish list done to it and has taken us on some really memorable trips over the last two years. It is setup to be a self contained two person camper or family of four with the addition of a RV5 Tent. One can also remove the middle seats and add more water and slide out kitchen etc. My next project is a camper with a simple 4x4 tow vehicle.

Appreciate if you could spread the word.

Selling my 2012 110 with mulgo poptop (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/vehicles-for-sale/269908-selling-my-2012-110-mulgo-poptop.html)



https://youtu.be/Z1zfr60yRxo

Many Thanks,
Punyalok