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Thread: p76 4.4 v8 in a 1972 range rover, which carby?

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    p76 4.4 v8 in a 1972 range rover, which carby?

    Hi, got the above set up- or will have when its finished.

    I am fitting a camtech CT37524A-110(a) cam as seen here (2nd from the top):

    http://www.camtechcams.com.au/rover_range_hyd.html


    Also running 9.5:1 + compression.

    Just wondered if you think the std p76 stromberg ww carby will suffocate it at all? I think it runs about 270 cfm?



    It will be running Gas when off road (once broken in) to cope with inclines and the like but just concerned about it not getting the air it needs, particularly with a mixer ring strangling it even more on the highway.

    I heard all other carbs dont run well at low rpm on this motor? otherwise might go for a 470 cfm truck avenger? I really just want something with one idle screw and one mixture screw so easy to keep tuned and set up


    Thanks


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    Once again you are flying high with hypotheticals. I remind you:

    You are doing up a 40 year old long-stroke passenger car engine.

    These things are known to break crankshafts if driven enthusiastically.

    If you repeatedly exceed 4000rpm you will break it.

    A standard WW2 Stromberg carby will allow it to get to 5500 rpm.

    If you want a strong engine buy a strong engine.

    A p76 engine kept below 3000rpm will last a long time if well maintained.

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    yes, they break cranks, in fact that is the only engine i have ever seen broken doing 3500rpm conversely the carby 3.5 it replaced in the search for 'mo powa ' regularly saw valve floating revs will no ill effects....


    jc
    The Isuzu 110. Solid and as dependable as a rock, coming soon with auto box😊
    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    high revs do not interest me, I have my v8 bmw for that which revs to 8k.

    More concerned about getting the most out of the cam and compression !

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    Hi hmmm I have not heard of this crank braking problem before interesting, I have been playing with P76 engines for year's I have 3 at the moment as for carby I like to use a 350 holley very tunable easy for parts. Hopfully will be building up a p76 running only on gas, injection or gas research carby? not sure yet.. Oh also I think Brabham play with P76 engines and Repco built a repco 5000 engine out of the too

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    Hi guys, i have had a little experience with a 4.4 leyland. I injected one a few years ago ( i still have it now ), use genuine pistons to start with holden flat tops will fit and are cheaper but will give you piston slap with high compression. As for the keeping the revs below 3k i have had mine balanced etc and i still agree with this statement. You will not need to take it higher if you build it right, take 3 to 4 kilos off the flywheel it will help with acceleration you will lose a little torque but you will make that up from the capacity increase of motor.

    If i had my time again i would spend the money on a 4.6 or if i wanted to be tight a 3.9. all said and told my engine cost me close 8k by the time i had the hard lesson of the pistons etc that is with the wolf 3d ecu.

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    Broken Cranks mmmm About the same as a Tdi head gasket hey Jc
    No all bull a side Skip the holley for off road they are Shear crap and the stronberg off road unless the holley is one that has all the good bits for off road .
    Years ago I just used injection on my 86 hiline with the 4.4 it had Lpg so I had the best of both worlds

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    well its going in the 72 rangie so I am running a std rangie flywheel as its going on to my re-built lt95 with overdrive. Torque is a good thing offroad as you all know so will probably leave the flywheel alone.

    I wont be revving it much, although it is easy to get over 3.5k sometimes when joining our stupidly busy motorways (highways to you blokes)

    with the cam and compression I am running I dont want to end up starving the motor of air or fuel as the mixer ring will make the inlet even smaller. I had a vw once which as a teenager I took out on the highway and got up to a silly speed, it wouldnt go anymore not cos the revs were high but the breathing was no enough, as I will be running extractors on this set up I dont want to let the set up down with the std carb if it cant flow enough (even not at silly speeds) what cfm can this motor draw as a maximum? that would give us a parameter to work with I guess?

    I agree the ww or a normal holly would be poor offroad which is why by that stage it will run gas when offroad but the other option is the holly truck avenger which is no more expensive than a std holly and is 470 cfm as against 270 cfm with the ww carby but the ww is being rebuilt by a kiwi mate right now and will be posted over which is fairly cheap.

    The truck avenger would cost me a bit more but also I am guessing will need another type of inlet manifold? postage on something like that from your side of the world wont be cheap! (spent a hell of a lot already on postage)

    I would prefer a single plane inlet with a single mixture and idle adjustment on whichever carby I use, the ww isnt set up that way is it?

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    Just a quick note after some more re-search, the twin SU hif6 carbys on my current 3.5 provide anywhere between 250 and 300 cfm depending on the source read, so really for an engine that is a liter bigger the WW seems like a small carby at 260/270 cfm? and thats without the mixer ring in there

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    I fitted a ww2 to a 3.5 RRC with LPG and it went considerably better at all RPM under 3000 because a ww2 is fully open all the time and SUs are only fully open at full rpm.

    Considering two barrel carbies, anything you do to increase airflow at medium rpm will destroy the ability of the carby to work at low rpm. The ww2 works extremely well on what is a small bore V8, by anyone's standards.

    The peak airflow difference between two engines sharing the same bore size but having different strokes is actually very small. Accent on peak air flow. I find this with other engine families that share bore sizes, LPG mixers are sized the same, eg 3.3 and 4.1 falcons. Whereas EFI 3.5 and 3.9 LRs need different size mixers, 3.9 and 4.6 use the same mixer.

    Now finally, I have been driving P76's since 1979 and have driven them all over the country with a variety of carbies. When it comes down to it, if you want the engine to run reliably under 1200 rpm you need a stock OEM WW2 carby. Or stuff the petrol operation and rely on the LPG to drive you in the rough.

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