Thread: What did you do on your Perentie Today.

Originally Posted by Chris078

As an ex insurance underwriter, I can say that I denied several claims due to just this.
Tubed rims don't have a safety bead, which means the tyre can leave the rim under adverse conditions. It also means that your car is technically un-roadworthy. THAT means that a claim can be denied, even if the wheels/tyres had nothing to do with the accident (though that would generally only happen if the assessor was in a bad mood or the client was being ........ difficult shall we say.

It surprises me, though, the amount of tyre fitters that still insist on fitting a tube type tyre to a tube type rim without a tube.
When I come up against this (as I often do), I always point out to the tyre fitter that I only shop in establishments where "The customer is always right".
The other thing I would point out is there was a time when there were tubeless tyres but no tubeless rims. One was developed before the other.

Originally Posted by Chris078

You will probably need to buy new rims as the standard ones are tubed and cannot be fitted with tubeless tyres.

There are quite a few threads containing a wealth of (confusing) information about what fits, and what is legal, that you will find by searching Tyres or Rims in the search field.

The problem with converting to tubeless rims is that the Perentie have a 6" wide rim where all other Defender steel rims are either 5.5" or 6.5" and the Wolf rims are a different design.

MoD (Ex-UK) Wolf Land Rover rims.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

It surprises me, though, the amount of tyre fitters that still insist on fitting a tube type tyre to a tube type rim without a tube.
When I come up against this (as I often do), I always point out to the tyre fitter that I only shop in establishments where "The customer is always right".
The other thing I would point out is there was a time when there were tubeless tyres but no tubeless rims. One was developed before the other.

It is also quite difficult to get tube type tyres. As you will read elsewhere, tube type tyres are smoothed inside during the manufacture process. This reduces the friction caused by the ribs inside the case rubbing on the tube that in-turn reduces tube life.

A couple of things to consider.

1. Always get good quality tubes (Michelin or Bridgestone) even if you have to wait till they are ordered in.
2. Dust the inside of the tyre with lots of talcum powder before fitting up.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

It surprises me, though, the amount of tyre fitters that still insist on fitting a tube type tyre to a tube type rim without a tube.
When I come up against this (as I often do), I always point out to the tyre fitter that I only shop in establishments where "The customer is always right".
The other thing I would point out is there was a time when there were tubeless tyres but no tubeless rims. One was developed before the other.

The tyre fitter should know better. Not only is that extremely dangerous for the fitter (the tyre is liable to blow off in the initial inflation) it is also illegal.

As long as they meet the required load rating, 6.5" rims will be (as far as I'm aware) legal to fit in all states/territories in AUS. A quick call to your local transport authority we be able to confirm.

Proper, tubed tyres are becoming increasingly difficult to find, as are good quality tubes (not the chinesium that most places stock). You can put a tube inside a tubeless tyre, as previously mentioned, not recommended as the rough inside of the tyre can eat the tube.


tl'dr either stick with tubed tyres, or upgrade properly with new rims and tyres if you want to go tubeless.

Originally Posted by Chris078

Not only is that extremely dangerous for the fitter (the tyre is liable to blow off in the initial inflation) it is also illegal.

No mention of legality in the ADRs. At least, I couldn't find any.
What regulatory authority document can you point us to that states the fitting of tubeless tyres to tubed rims is illegal?

Originally Posted by Chris078

The tyre fitter should know better. Not only is that extremely dangerous for the fitter (the tyre is liable to blow off in the initial inflation) it is also illegal.

As long as they meet the required load rating, 6.5" rims will be (as far as I'm aware) legal to fit in all states/territories in AUS. A quick call to your local transport authority we be able to confirm.

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The 6.5 130 rims have a greater load rating and are legal to use, but to the purists they are not Perentie rims. Same with the wolfe rims available in both 5.5 and 6.5 but obvious to everyone as non standard. This may not be important to many people.

I had a tyre fitter amazed when I pointed out that the original alloys on my MY85 Range Rover Phase II Hi Line were tubed rims. They look the same as the alloys on the MY86 to MY92 which are tubeless.

Those 130 rims are no longer available in Au, and stupid price in the UK new.

Originally Posted by The Beast

cool photo Carzee

Yeah it was a cool day - in fact I actually had the heater on (even though they're famous for being detrimental to global warming and putting out more noise than a wind farm).

more - http://www.remlr.com/wiki/index.php'...rra_Campfire_3

Originally Posted by Landybitz

Those 130 rims are no longer available in Au, and stupid price in the UK new.

Particularly with the return to the Australian Peso