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    Front Propeller Shaft Movement?

    Hi Guys

    I have just been giving 48-206 (GS 4x4) a check over after travelling 15000 kms since purchase and it passed with flying colours, driving much more quietly and smoothly than when I bought it and no leaks of any sort.

    My only concern is that, parked with the handbrake on, I find that the front prop shaft can be rotated about a cm. or so either way. The bolts seem to be perfectly tight. Is this normal or a sign of wear? In the manual it says to check if the movement is excessive but doesn't say what amount is excessive.

    The rear shaft is not moveable at all.

    Any advice would be much appreciated.
    Cheers

    Mike

    Perentie GS 1988, 48-206
    Work Vehicles long ago: Series 1, several Series IIAs, FC 101 and a Haflinger
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    It's normal, that's just driveline lash that you are feeling. The rear is tight because the handbrake acts directly onto that shaft.
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    Slunnie


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    Tracca
    Mine is the same
    Apparently that free play is normal
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    Unless your centre diff is like new you will have a small amount of movement between the front and rear drive shafts which is wear on the gears/shafts and thrust washers. But make sure the play is not in the slip joint of the driveshaft - there should be very minimal to nil movement there. If you ever have to check the centre diff, a good upgrade is to put in a 1 piece cross shaft assembly with steel thrust washers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearman View Post
    Unless your centre diff is like new you will have a small amount of movement between the front and rear drive shafts which is wear on the gears/shafts and thrust washers.
    Yes, the more movement, the more the thrust washers under the planetary gears are worn - or, as in my case, gone completely!

    In hindsight, I wish I'd measured the freeplay before I pulled it apart. Then I could measure again after reassembly with new washers, and I'd have a range of measurement to indicate wear for the future.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bearman View Post
    If you ever have to check the centre diff, a good upgrade is to put in a 1 piece cross shaft assembly with steel thrust washers.
    The 1-piece cross shaft assembly was tempting, but I can't see that much inherent weakness in the stock design to justify the 45 GBP purchase. It wouldn't do anything to reduce the wear on the thrust washers or any other components - it would just reduce the risk of the cross shafts shearing.

    Are the steel thrust washers a good idea? Our LT230 has done 150,000 kms to wear out the stock ones - I think I would rather replace them again in another 100,000 kms and know that the diff housing and planetary gears have little to no wear, than know I can get 200,000 kms or more out of having steel washers, but knowing I might have to replace the gears or the housing itself after that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamFA View Post
    Are the steel thrust washers a good idea? Our LT230 has done 150,000 kms to wear out the stock ones - I think I would rather replace them again in another 100,000 kms and know that the diff housing and planetary gears have little to no wear, than know I can get 200,000 kms or more out of having steel washers, but knowing I might have to replace the gears or the housing itself after that time.
    The big expensive bit in the centre diff is the housing itself and it gets scoured when the thrust washers wear out and the gears come into contact with the housing. If you monitor the freeplay and are prepared to change the brass one as required then there is no problem, but let them go too far and damage occurs. The steel ones last much longer. How long both types last depends on your driving - if you lock the centre diff whenever you are on soft or loose pavement it will last longer than unlocked which can allow the gears to turn. The 1 piece cross is a personal choice - I have seen a lot of broken shafts in centre diffs but so far have never heard of a 1 piece failing.
    Cheers......Brian
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