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    Head Gasket, do I preempt its repair?

    Hi, I was about to buy a disco 300tdi with 240,000kms and i've seen alot that the head gasket usually goes at 250,000 so I was wondering whether i should preempt it and do the head gasket short of 250 or wait for it to actually start leaking?

    The ad says 240,000kms but also says reco motor in so until i actually look at it i dont know what the actual spell is with the engines kms. I've been told not to bother preempting it but soon as i buy it i plan on driving Darwin to Melbourne so I figured i should, and also do timing belt oils/coolant and engine temp guage.

    Is there an engine temp guage reccomended to be fitted EM watchdog TM2's or something suggested a bit on forums, new to LR sorry any help or oppinion appreciated.

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    Id invest in the EMS2 (or similar) with all the trimmings and watch the coolant like a hawk. then when the budget recovers (and the EMS2 isnt that big a dent but Im assuming you're doing this on a tight budget) then do a DIY head gasket and send the radiator off for rodding/rebuild as required.

    I hold the personal belief that its not the fact that the head lets go at 250K Km its the cooling system falling over and taking it out. I know of a few tdis that are now out past 300K Km unmolested other than the 80K Km routine of radiator cleaning, timing belt, p gasket, thermostat and hoses + regular 10K interval servicing.
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    Mine is over the 300 k mark and the head gasket is fine and has never been changed some say periodic maintenance change the gasket , Realy its your call This is my opinion only , I have a engine saver coolant alarm fitted to my car Engine Saver Land Rover Page and yes the slightest hint of coolant or over heating problem dont ignore

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    Yeah ok makes alot of sense. I spent alot of time last night looking at temp alarms didnt consider the engine saver coolant one much but now its on the list!

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    +1 for the engine saver, got it fitted to my 300tdi disco

    Mine's done 260k km on the original headgasket so I'm starting to watch it closely too!

    I've also just bought one of these:

    very inexpensive digital temp gauge

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    Today we changed out a head gasket in a 1993 200 tdi, 317,000km. It had rotted away in the usual place, but in this case it had also blown a bit of the gasket away so coolant could run directly into a pushrod gallery and filled the sump. Very messy but an easy fix, but a long tow truck trip and consequently $$$$. We do LOTS of 200/300Tdi head gaskets in the 240 to 300K range, but if yours has a reco engine, then it will be OK I should think

    DEFINATELY as others have said get a coolant alarm.

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    I have replaced 3 head gaskets in the recent past and not one was caused by overheating, the overheating occurred after the gasket blew. The first time was after I replaced the radiator with a new one, plus water pump and all hoses and block flush, so there was nothing wrong with the cooling system. First sign was pressure releasing from header tank cap, water temp was normal, then bubbles started to appear in header tank. next the header tank split (black one), at no time did the engine overheat.
    The head had a soft spot, about 4"x3" between 2 and 3 cyls., had 7thou. removed and new gasket, some months later exact same thing happened, still no overheating, no machining this time, new gasket and bolts again.
    Third time a couple of months later same scenario, same depression in head, didn't machine it but used a laminated 3 plate metal gasket and haven't had a problem for over a year, knock on wood. Crap alloy head, too many of them giving up the ghost, that's why there is a good market for new heads, be they Chinese, Brazillian or Spanish, I hope they are better than the rubbish Land Rover made, 250K out of a head gasket, ridiculous, regards Frank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinc View Post
    Today we changed out a head gasket in a 1993 200 tdi, 317,000km. It had rotted away in the usual place, but in this case it had also blown a bit of the gasket away so coolant could run directly into a pushrod gallery and filled the sump. Very messy but an easy fix, but a long tow truck trip and consequently $$$$. We do LOTS of 200/300Tdi head gaskets in the 240 to 300K range, but if yours has a reco engine, then it will be OK I should think

    DEFINATELY as others have said get a coolant alarm.

    JC
    When you say you do LOTS of 200/300Tdi head gaskets in the 240 to 300K range, do you mean blown gaskets? Or preemptive maintenance gasket changes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judo View Post
    When you say you do LOTS of 200/300Tdi head gaskets in the 240 to 300K range, do you mean blown gaskets? Or preemptive maintenance gasket changes?
    Over the years, quite a few were failing at 240k range, so we started recommending preemptive changes at about this KM. So far almost all of the preemptive ones we do have started to creep under the fire rings at cyl 3 and 4, so i am pleased that it seems to be a worthwhile exercise. Of course there are a few that blow earlier, and some later but we have chosen 240K as a middle mark, statistically.

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    is it also an age thing where the head gasket material breaks down over time regardless of how many k's you have on the car?

    Assuming the same vintage wouldn't the only difference between a car of with 50,000k vs one with 500,000k be that the head gasket on the car with the higher km's has been subjected to higher temps while it was driven the extra 450,000kms.

    Or is it that as the gasket comes in contact with oil, water and compressed fuel & air will break down over time anyway regardless of the number of K's on the car?

    My Disco only has 140,000km's on but as its 15 years old i'm wondering if its time to do a preempt gasket change, it would be another tens years before I hit the 240k change interval assuming the rest of the car last that long ; )

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