Thread: sways bars on a D1

But i will be reconnecting mine as im on my P'plates and the last thing i need is an excuse for cops to pick on me also if you have an accident and they notice you don't have them on im sure that won't help with your insurance

While there is probably no logic that can protect you from a cop, it is legal to remove them as long as a version of the car was sold without sway bars.

In the case of a 93 RRC there was a base model sold in the USA without and in UK and europe there was a Commercial without.

I am pretty sure the Disco Commercial in Europe did not have bars but I didn't really try for a Disco.

Same reason you can legally delete the airbags on an RRC but not a 38A.
Regards Philip A

Mine doesn't have them and it handles fine.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

While there is probably no logic that can protect you from a cop, it is legal to remove them as long as a version of the car was sold without sway bars.

In the case of a 93 RRC there was a base model sold in the USA without and in UK and europe there was a Commercial without.

I am pretty sure the Disco Commercial in Europe did not have bars but I didn't really try for a Disco.

Same reason you can legally delete the airbags on an RRC but not a 38A.

Regards Philip A

mmmmmm you sure!

I thought that you could remove them if you car fell with in the vin number of when they were and weren't being fitted for example

I could remove my airbags from my D1 ONLY because in my vin number they were a factory option not factory standard.....as soon as they become standard regardless of whether earlier cars didn't have them it is illegal to remove them. unless engineered.

needless to say I dont have my rear roll bar on either.....my car made the decision for me as the bushes fell out when off roading, so had to continue the rest of the trip with out it. What a shame i will by bushes for it one day...maybe when I sell it

I think we are saying the same thing.
It must be that a model was available somewhere same year without them not some earlier model.
Ie they are an option.
In Australia AFAIK all 93 RRCs had swaybars but this was not true throughout the World. It may not have been a "option" as such, ie the Vogue may have had it standard within the spec, but there were models without it eg US Hunter and UK Commercial.
Ditto with Disco.
In any case I refitted my front, but I had to remove the mounts for the rear to fit my 134 litre tank.
Regards Philip A

PS in a functional sense you alter the roll stiffness of both front and rear when you fit uprated springs which most people have done.

My rear roll stiffness is much more with airbags and 180Lb springs than it probably was with 160 lb springs and anti roll bars. I found my car to be very "taily" with upgraded rear springs and rear anti roll bar.

The whole function of anti roll bars is to allow softer springs to be fitted for an improved ride while giving better subjective handling.

Once you change the springs you change the whole handling dynamic and if say you fit relatively heavier springs in the back than the front , it changes the relationship between the front and back. In this case you should remove the rear to restore the relationship.

So the vast majority of RRcs and Disco1s on the road are not as intended anyway! LOL

Regard sPhilip A

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I think we are saying the same thing.

It must be that a model was available somewhere same year without them not some earlier model.
Ie they are an option.
In Australia AFAIK all 93 RRCs had swaybars but this was not true throughout the World. It may not have been a "option" as such, ie the Vogue may have had it standard within the spec, but there were models without it eg US Hunter and UK Commercial.
Ditto with Disco.
In any case I refitted my front, but I had to remove the mounts for the rear to fit my 134 litre tank.
Regards Philip A

we are but we are not!...if I read correctly your talking about models over the world I.e if you have a 96 disco in oz with sway bars and 96 models were released lets say in germany without them..then its ok to take them off (or at least thats how I read it)

what i'm saying is only in oz....i dont think it matters what other models are doing around the world it could be legal to remove the seat out the back of a disco in europe but its not here if the car was registered with that many seats
its moer about what the ADR's are here. So in my example it is only in oz