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    I keep killing airflow meters

    I recently had some mapping work done on the Discovery. It has a 3AM airflow meter, new plugs and injectors were fitted at the same time.

    Within 180km the power dissapeared and I was in limp home mode @ 2000rpm.
    I changed the AFM for a another 3AM and got going again. Within 30km the AFM was shot and I was back int limp home mode @ 2000rpm.
    Yesterday I wasn't able to source a 3AM so fitted a 5AM instead.
    The car drove like a charm for the first 30km and then the AFM died and I had to drive home at 40-50km per hour at max 2000rpm.

    This means I've killed three AFM's within the spate of a single tank of petrol.

    Any ideas what kills air flow meters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaky View Post
    Any ideas what kills air flow meters?
    It's normally LPG powered cars, when they backfire... but if you don't have LPG?

    It might be some sort of electrical short?

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    Correct...no LPG.

    The injector rail was removed and new injectors fitted etc. Wouldn't a short curcuit kill the AFM electronics immediatly and not after a test run??

    Thanks.

    S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaky View Post
    I recently had some mapping work done on the Discovery. It has a 3AM airflow meter, new plugs and injectors were fitted at the same time.

    Within 180km the power dissapeared and I was in limp home mode @ 2000rpm.
    I changed the AFM for a another 3AM and got going again. Within 30km the AFM was shot and I was back int limp home mode @ 2000rpm.
    Yesterday I wasn't able to source a 3AM so fitted a 5AM instead.
    The car drove like a charm for the first 30km and then the AFM died and I had to drive home at 40-50km per hour at max 2000rpm.

    This means I've killed three AFM's within the spate of a single tank of petrol.

    Any ideas what kills air flow meters?
    Could it be that the Mapping work done is causing the problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaky View Post
    Wouldn't a short curcuit kill the AFM electronics immediatly and not after a test run??
    Yes, you're probably right.


    Is the Discovery a series 1 with 300Tdi and electronic controlled injection?

    We didn't get the electronic controlled 300Tdi in Oz, so I doubt many people here would have any experience with re-mapping it, but I'm sure someone must have some ideas.

    EDIT: Whoops...lost my mind here...diesel has no AFM!
    Last edited by nice1guv; 30th September 2009 at 09:56 AM. Reason: temporary insanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by nice1guv View Post
    Yes, you're probably right.


    Is the Discovery a series 1 with 300Tdi and electronic controlled injection?

    We didn't get the electronic controlled 300Tdi in Oz, so I doubt many people here would have any experience with re-mapping it, but I'm sure someone must have some ideas.
    He mentioned new plugs and a tank of petrol, so looks like a V8.....

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    may sound silly, but could it possibly be dodgy contact surfaces within the AFM plug? works fine when its first plugs in then shifts a tiny bit and creates problems?

    i had that problem with the RB30 in my VL commodore years ago, the crank angle sensor used to give me trouble, changed the plug with a new one, and it was fine after that

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    Do you know that the MAFs are dead? or is it just that the ECU thinks it is dead. Limp home mode could also be triggered by a TPS giving an out of range signal, or a temp sensor giving an out of range signal(I think) Check the "dead" MAFs on another car, and if it is OK , then the wiring may be suspect. There is a 14CUX diagnostic in the manual. How did someone do remapping on a 14CUX in Dubai?? Does it have a piggyback? If the ECU has been disturbed have you checked that the ECU plug is on properly? Regards Philip A

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    As jazzaD1 wrote, it could well be dodgy contacts... It is Lucus, y'know...

    I had an issue where mine would go mega-rich to the point it wouldn't even idle. Tried lots of things, with limited success. Then tried giving the pins a very slight twist with needle-nose pliers and both connections a squirt with Contact Cleaner. Note "very slight" twist ! The twist increases the pre-load between the connections giving a better connection. Worth a try... and free.

    Mine hasn't missed a beat since... and it's been years...
    DiscoClax
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    Thanks for the rapid feedback guys.
    To confirm a point it's a 300 series V8 petrol with 14CUX ECU and a piggy back Tornado chip done by Mark Adams.
    He was over here last week in Dubai and I took the oppertunity to use his mapping skills to fine tune the chip on a rolling road dyno. I doubt very much that this problem was caused by the new mapping but I'm open to suggestions too.
    The car was taken away today back to the same place where they fitted the new injectors & have the rolling road. The technicians there will take a look for any shorts, bad connections, incorrect instalation etc.
    I'm not 100% certain if the AFM's are damaged or perhaps it's the AFM's that are showing the symptoms of being faulty? As it stands I've got through three replacement AFM's on one tank of Petrol.
    I've checked the obvious connection plugs though...AFM, ECU, reset the injection system etc.

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