Thread: cardinal joint wear with 2inch lift????

I guess you mean the Double Cardan.
Any change to the angles in the drive train may cause some extra wear. That said, I've lifted both of my D2's and not really noticed it being any worse. Just keep an eye on it that's all, if you even suspect that it might be worn, replace it..... you really don't want it to break at 100kmh. do a search and you'll find pics of the catstrophic damage a broken one will do.
I was lucky, when mine went, I was only doing about 30kmh albeit I was in peak hour traffic on Parramatta Rd in Sydney at the time!

Hello bronson,

2" lift done about 45000km ago(with 165000 on the clock). I have greasable uni's on the double cardin joint which get greased every 6 months.
Also get the grease nipple that attaches to the D/C joint to grease the thing properly.
No issues so far.....

Cheers,

Jason

An old thread but here's an example of what can befall you when the joint fails.

Three weeks ago I'm 5 k's north of Burran Junction, reasonable bitumen road, doddling along at 80 k's.

Joint fails, prop shaft belts the bejezuz out of the trannie case, crushes the auto trannie hydraulic lines, gives the chassis rail a good bashing and does the same to driver's floor panel, bashing a 20mm split into it.

Car recovered to Narrabri, local workshop bloke's attitude is lackadaisical, I appraise NRMA Premium Road Service of the damage and advise due to this bloke's attitude I want the Disco back in Canberra for repair by my regular mech.

Two days later I'm home and Disco is up on Ray's hoist, trannie removed, damaged now discovered far more extensive. Penalty payment added to cost of exchange box. All back on the road in four days.

Costs? NRMA paid $3,000 for the backload, I paid a total of $9,200.00 for two days holiday in Narrabri, flights and the repairs. Not happy. Browned off with Land Rover to the extent I have cancelled the purchase of an Evoque for my daily driver. Won't talk with LRA any more, stuff 'em for their crap mech design.

Moral of the story: remove front prop shaft, inspect and lube the joint at each service. R.

Originally Posted by RecMec

An old thread but here's an example of what can befall you when the joint fails.

Three weeks ago I'm 5 k's north of Burran Junction, reasonable bitumen road, doddling along at 80 k's.

Joint fails, prop shaft belts the bejezuz out of the trannie case, crushes the auto trannie hydraulic lines, gives the chassis rail a good bashing and does the same to driver's floor panel, bashing a 20mm split into it.

Car recovered to Narrabri, local workshop bloke's attitude is lackadaisical, I appraise NRMA Premium Road Service of the damage and advise due to this bloke's attitude I want the Disco back in Canberra for repair by my regular mech.


Two days later I'm home and Disco is up on Ray's hoist, trannie removed, damaged now discovered far more extensive. Penalty payment added to cost of exchange box. All back on the road in four days.

Costs? NRMA paid $3,000 for the backload, I paid a total of $9,200.00 for two days holiday in Narrabri, flights and the repairs. Not happy. Browned off with Land Rover to the extent I have cancelled the purchase of an Evoque for my daily driver. Won't talk with LRA any more, stuff 'em for their crap mech design.

Moral of the story: remove front prop shaft, inspect and lube the joint at each service. R.

Well my friend, If it let go at that speed and did that damage I suspect you only have yourself to blame! It would have had to be very suspect for a long time to do that! If that reason has turned you off LR's I think you should get a pushbike! Any mode of transport though I suspect you will have problems from neglecting servicing!
Cheers Scott

hi I replaced mine with a double cardon when i got a arb 2inch lift on my defender 110 300tdi. when I had my d2 I had the same failure but as previously said was only going about 50kmh, mine was a 2000 model manual.
I discovered the air con evaporator hose was dripping directly onto the joint
this was the cause the failure. build quality on the discos leaves a lot to be desired which is why I went back to the defender
cheers.

Originally Posted by schuy1

Well my friend, If it let go at that speed and did that damage I suspect you only have yourself to blame! It would have had to be very suspect for a long time to do that! If that reason has turned you off LR's I think you should get a pushbike! Any mode of transport though I suspect you will have problems from neglecting servicing!
Cheers Scott

Mmmmmm, maybe.

My dad was the original purchaser of my D2 and he had the same thing happen. The 99 model at least had a non serviceable front uni joint....no grease nipples. LRA response to this is that most LR owners never go off road, so no need to grease em up. ....and my old man only used his on road and some gravel roads, with a very few beach runs. Car mainly used to tow caravan.

He was outback from Alice when this happened....no warning, no squeaks or other noises....just bang.

Now I know a lot of us are not too complimentary of the 4WD Action crowd, but Jamie in his defender has done 3 tailshafts, all with ****tered factory unis in the last couple of trips.

Watching this, he doesn't appear to be abusing the vehicle when they let go....has he been servicing them.....are they the factory non serviceable types?... Can't answer either question....but common sense prevails here....I can't see a person such as him not servicing his car....
Maybe the factory tailshafts/unis are just a bit suspect from the get go....

I currently have factory, and serviced regularly, have fitted nipples so grease can be applied and have no problem.....but Tom Woods is coming to live in my D2 in the near future

I personally thing LR has a quality control/design issue....probably just to save a couple of cents, and some of us have unis just waiting to grenade....it's just a matter of time.......oh, and the odometer when the uni went on the old mans, less than 50000.

Cheers all.

TD50WA,

Sorry, I've had to edit the "broken into pieces" back to the original due the forum policy that you can't use *'s to work around the filter. I know in this case it seems pretty silly but the issue was discussed at length and the Admins decided that this word should remain in the blacklist despite the impact on legitimate use of ****tered.

cheers
Paul

maybe I grew up the old way but every vehicle I have ever owned has had the universals modified for greasing....ie nipples fitted.....its almost like a bible passage in off road vehicle preparation....its mentioned many times in this forum. You check your oil, water, transmission, diff levels etc but ignore your unis......I thought the double cardan joint was standard on D2's but some here are saying they had it fitted? The joint will start making a lot of noise long long before imminent failure so I find it a bit hard to believe it will let go without warning.