Thread: Nanocom (Evolution) Bug Report and Wishlist

Hiya Offtrack.
Sorry, in the midst of my hectic goings on, i had forgotten about this.
I looked up the circuit diagram and figured the pin that comes out of the BCU to Ground the headlight power wash pump relay and so i had one of my guys test it using a multimeter to check it does indeed switch to ground when he runs the output.

@ob1:
Cheers for the compliment.
Which Engine Management are you referring to?

On another note for everybody,
We released BBS V1.07 today with all the recently mentioned fixes in

A big thanks to Paul From Hard Range for helping us test the Motronic RPM stuff.

I've just bought a Nanocom from BBS. Firstly - impressive delivery time! 5 days to Australia. I bought after getting a demo from Paul at Hard Range. Sold!

Where are you up to with the key fob/plip thing?

If I were to point at anything which detracts from the Nanocom - it would be documentation. It's one thing to have an awesome product but the shine comes off when no one really knows how to use. Please hire a Tech Writer!!

Overall - massively impressed with the capabilities and the value. I could bre more impressed if I knew what some of the measures and capabilties were!

One really quick question: what does UK Police setting do?? I asked the Land Rover dealer in Canberra and he said "more power". Really???

Hiya Craig_Keira

Where are you up to with the key fob/plip thing?

Can you possibly be a bit more specific?
Do you mean the Disco II Plip learning thing that is covered in many of the earlier pages of this thread and on my Blog etc, Or something else?

Regards Documentation:
I believe that how to operate the unit is pretty well documented. And there are also individual documents provided which give an overview of the functions and features that it covers on the Various vehicle systems.
Of course from the questions we are asked, we realize that some don't even read what you do provide anyway

Correct me if i am wrong, but it does read as if what you are wishing for is for BBS to not only provide low cost yet fully capable diagnostic equipment, but write and include documentation to teach owners all about their their vehicle systems and how work. Which i humbly suggest is already provided by the Land Rover workshop manuals and other literature available via RAVE. Or documentation to teach owners how to be automotive technicians and perform testing and diagnosis / fixing using a diagnostic tool, which i think is really a little beyond the role of a any tool supplier. Even one that supplies equipment as advanced as we do.
As i said, i may be wrong, if so please clarify further.

Regards your quick question:

what does UK Police setting do

As it says in the Documentation we provide.

UK Police - This selection allows the BECM to be configured to police specification. Setting this without the required rewiring of the vehicle and the addition of switches, may have undesirable effects.

Do you require more information about this?
BTW, I think the dealer may have been pulling your leg.
Like all but a very small handful of BeCM settings our equipment provides, These are not available to a dealer and he will have never even seen them.

Talking of things that people have not seen
Here are a couple of screen shots of something we have been working on for some time and is now not very far from being ready.

I know it has not been in this wish list. but it is something that has always been on mine just after sorting all the bugs and other stuff out

This is a screen shot of the home page




This is the Forum page when you are registered as a Nanocom Evolution owner.

Originally Posted by BBS Guy

Hiya Craig_Keira

Can you possibly be a bit more specific?
Do you mean the Disco II Plip learning thing that is covered in many of the earlier pages of this thread and on my Blog etc, Or something else?

Regards Documentation:
I believe that how to operate the unit is pretty well documented. And there are also individual documents provided which give an overview of the functions and features that it covers on the Various vehicle systems.
Of course from the questions we are asked, we realize that some don't even read what you do provide anyway

Correct me if i am wrong, but it does read as if what you are wishing for is for BBS to not only provide low cost yet fully capable diagnostic equipment, but write and include documentation to teach owners all about their their vehicle systems and how work. Which i humbly suggest is already provided by the Land Rover workshop manuals and other literature available via RAVE. Or documentation to teach owners how to be automotive technicians and perform testing and diagnosis / fixing using a diagnostic tool, which i think is really a little beyond the role of a any tool supplier. Even one that supplies equipment as advanced as we do.
As i said, i may be wrong, if so please clarify further.

Regards your quick question:
As it says in the Documentation we provide.
Do you require more information about this?
BTW, I think the dealer may have been pulling your leg.
Like all but a very small handful of BeCM settings our equipment provides, These are not available to a dealer and he will have never even seen them.

Talking of things that people have not seen
Here are a couple of screen shots of something we have been working on for some time and is now not very far from being ready.

I know it has not been in this wish list. but it is something that has always been on mine just after sorting all the bugs and other stuff out

This is a screen shot of the home page




This is the Forum page when you are registered as a Nanocom Evolution owner.

Colin, I have to concur with the question / response about the readability of some sections of your manuals. I am a reasonable systems user, but not in any way IT savvy, and I have problems following your manuals because there are assumptions made that we understand IT language and processes, which obviously some of us don't. Having said that, I too am guilty of not always reading/understanding what is written. I am NOT talking about the bits that properly belong in RAVE etc. I have copie below part of a PM I previously sent to you for others to comment on should they so choose.
EX PM
I do appreciate how difficult it is for experts in a field to write user manuals for the great unwashed (I've written several myself, and vetted those from other fields of which I knew very little) - human nature makes you assume others know what you are talking about when in fact they don't have a clue.

For what it is worth, I have been following your posts since purchasing my D2a and joining AULRO late last year and commend your ethics and approach. Ron would have been pulling out his hair with my idiotic questions but has been very patient with me and we got there in the end.
I don't know if the demand is there, but perhaps long and short versions of the user manual (or supporting tutorials) might be of benefit. I have just read a tutorial on AULRO which was magnificent for complete novices/idiots - see http://www.aulro.com/afvb/computers/...7-64-bits.html

Cheers/keep up the good work.
PM ENDS

The key flip/fob thing - for programming a new key to a P38. This seems almost impossible and keys do get lost. There surely must be a way to authorise a new key?

Regarding documentation: I think you've proved my point. May have undesirable effects! But what effects? What does it do? What if it doesn't have undesirable effects? Can I live with them? I could answer these questions if I knew what it did.

I'm not suggesting BBS should attempt to replicate RAVE etc. What I am suggesting is that there is a menu option to do something, perhaps a short description of what that function does. I was in the Lazy Locking section and saw '1 shot'. The first question I thought of was 'does this give me 1 shot and lazy locking the car?

I know I sound a little critical (I do work in process analysis and design!). I think you should consider me a very happy Nanocom customer who is encouraging others to buy. I'd like to see a good product be even better.

Very much look forward to the forum going live. Thanks for taking the time to get back to me.

Craig

Originally Posted by Craig_Keira

I'm not suggesting BBS should attempt to replicate RAVE etc.

It seems you do want RAVE replicated. It took me 2 minutes to locate and download a copy of the P38a workshop manual, and search the document to locate the phrase "one shot". In conjunction with page 17 of the owners manual - specifically the section entitled "Lazy Locking" - it would have taken you less than 5 minutes to answer your question from readily available material.


There are many examples where RAVE simply states "Refer to Testbook", and in these instances it is a little irksome to be told to "refer to RAVE".



cheers
Paul

OK, I'll stand corrected. Clearly I was looking in the wrong manual.

EDIT: I've looked again and still can't find it!! I'm using PDFs on an iphone, so perhaps I'm missing something. I'll try at home on the PC.

Originally Posted by Craig_Keira

OK, I'll stand corrected. Clearly I was looking in the wrong manual.

EDIT: I've looked again and still can't find it!! I'm using PDFs on an iphone, so perhaps I'm missing something. I'll try at home on the PC.

As I'm not a P38a owner you'll have to cut me a bit of slack with finding information in the P38a workshop manual.

The One Shot references are closely related to but not exactly what you were after. The setting is actually described 4 pages earlier under the heading "Lazy Locking".

P38a Workshop manual Page 1230:

Lazy Locking

The lazy locking procedure will close all open windows and the sunroof when locking the vehicle. Lazy locking is initiated by holding the key turned to the lock position or holding the locking button on the remote handset pressed for more than one second. The windows close simultaneously, followed by the sunroof after the last window has closed.

In some markets, the key must be held in the lock position or the remote handset lock button held depressed until all windows and the sunroof are closed. If the button is released prematurely, the windows and sunroof will stop and a mislock will sound.

This is a fairly concise summary of (the?) two possible settings for Lazy Locking.

If you had searched for "one shot" you would have found the following information relating to the windows and sunroof:

P38a Workshop Manual page 1234:

The front windows and sunroof have ’one touch’ and ’inch’ modes of operation. The sunroof and the front and rear window systems have an ’anti-trap’ function to prevent injury to driver or passengers.

Windows Initialisation
Initialisation of the windows enables the one shot function on the front windows and the anti-trap function on all windows after battery disconnection. Initialisation is achieved by holding the applicable window switch in the down position until the window stalls. Then hold the switch in the up position and when the window is fully closed hold the switch in the up position for a further 1 second. An audible chime will sound and the message centre will display a message to confirm that the applicable window has been set.

Sunroof Initialisation
Initialisation of the sunroof enables the one shot and anti-trap functions after battery disconnection. Initialisation is achieved by holding the sunroof slide slide switch in the open position until the sunroof stalls. Then hold the sunroof slide switch in the closed position until the sunroof stalls at fully closed. Repeat the operation for the tilt open and close functions. When the sunroof is successfully initialised, the message centre will display a ’SUNROOF SET’ message.

Front Windows and Sunroof ’One-Touch’ Function
Operation of the front window switches or the sunroof slide switch for less than 0.4 seconds in either direction, will start the selected aperture to move in the one-touch mode of operation. The aperture will move in the selected direction until the motor stalls or, if the aperture is closing, a trap is detected. The aperture can be stopped at any point by operating the applicable switch in the opposite direction. The one-touch function is market programmable. Note that the sunroof tilt function only operates in the inch mode of operation.

From the context One Touch/One Shot are used interchangeably.

Ultimately it pays to read right through the "Description and Operation" sections relation to the modules you are working with at least once so you know what is in there. The "Description and Operation" sections contain the foundational information that you'll need for working on a particular ECU with a diagnostic tool.

cheers
Paul