Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

As I understood it, nearly all of the commercial quantities of the hydrogen produced comes from coal. Also, it is an energy intensive process to manufacture so you get less energy out than you put in. I'm sure that will change over time.

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Not quite right.

"Steam methane reforming (SMR) is a method of producing hydrogen from natural gas, which is mostly methane (CH₄). It is currently the cheapest source of industrial hydrogen. Nearly 50% of the world's hydrogen is being produced by this method."

Electrolysis accounts for about 4%, and is the method espoused by hydrogen vehicle proponents. It produces hydrogen at about three times the cost of steam methane reforming.

There are a whole range of other technologies, none of which are individually very significant and coal is not a major one.

Compared to battery storage of electricity, which is currently well over 90% efficiency, the process of converting electricity to hydrogen and then back to electricity is only at best about 60% efficient.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Like I said can't ICE it - so have to fuel cell. Have a look at the Murai. Huge car. no space. Hydrogen is quite the packaging disaster.

At any rate does "green hydrogen" even really exist until the whole electricity grid is powered by renewables? It only makes sense if there is abundant renewable energy. It's coming but it's a way off.

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100% agree green hydrogen is a long way off. Until we have huge off peak excess renewables it’s just a pipe dream and the rate we are are putting renewables in who knows - one of my other peeves is how slow we are moving in this direction. [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

As I understood it, nearly all of the commercial quantities of the hydrogen produced comes from coal. Also, it is an energy intensive process to manufacture so you get less energy out than you put in. I'm sure that will change over time.

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It's my understanding that most of it comes from reforming methane gas. Split the hydrogen off. Dump the rest.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Not quite right.

"Steam methane reforming (SMR) is a method of producing hydrogen from natural gas, which is mostly methane (CH₄). It is currently the cheapest source of industrial hydrogen. Nearly 50% of the world's hydrogen is being produced by this method."

Electrolysis accounts for about 4%, and is the method espoused by hydrogen vehicle proponents. It produces hydrogen at about three times the cost of steam methane reforming.

There are a whole range of other technologies, none of which are individually very significant and coal is not a major one.

Compared to battery storage of electricity, which is currently well over 90% efficiency, the process of converting electricity to hydrogen and then back to electricity is only at best about 60% efficient.

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Wasn't sure about the exact process but it is definitely energy intensive. It's going to be interesting over the next decade or two to see which direction we go.

Ah yes, hydrogen. I like the idea since we could in theory get it quite clean and it has many uses. Batteries, as they currently exists (lithium) are an environmental disaster if you ask me. But it has been the same over and over again across history. The worst tech wins (m$ windows, VHS, etc.)

I guess ineos had to do one because it is hip and happening. I'll stick to ICE till I am ripe for a retirement home!

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First one I have seen on the road

Hopefully we start seeing them on the road here soon.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Hopefully we start seeing them on the road here soon.

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The "rumours" on other forums are that a few will appear mid-late June, with numbers increasing in the third quarter..

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Originally Posted by Hoges

The "rumours" on other forums are that a few will appear mid-late June, with numbers increasing in the third quarter..

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Yes, but the numbers are going to be trivial for a while. Certainly this year.

I inspected the panelvan today. Awesome.