Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Half the power probably explains its superiority.

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Not only that. The series diesel engine was quite happy to pull strongly from a little above idle (maximum torque is at 1750, and its not a sharp peak) to 4,000rpm meaning that given the four fairly closely spaced gears and the transfer case that puts almost all low range gears below high range gears, you always have a "right" gear for any sandhill, and approaching the hill close to maximum revs, ease off as you go up, without having to change gears or spin the wheels in an effort to keep going without stalling - both of which are fatal on a sandhill.

The petrol Series 2 was quite good, but the diesel was a lot better because of the wider range of torque. For a mid fifties design, that engine was very high revving for a diesel, without losing the virtue of low end torque that was characteristic of diesels of that era. I think it was deliberately designed to make best use of the same gearing as the petrol engine, which only had a slightly higher maximum rpm (4250) but a much higher maximum torque speed (2500).

Ineos is cutting 400 jobs mostly from Head Office as sales are down 23% from last year...Access Denied.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Ineos is cutting 400 jobs mostly from Head Office as sales are down 23% from last year...Access Denied.

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Thanks for posting. Here is a version of the article from an archive server for people that don't have a telegraph account.

I'm really struggling to process the following paragraph.

I'm not sure what the problem is in the UK but 233 cars so far in 2025. I don't know what to say.

Apparently the US is their biggest market by far, and they sold 8000 units in total in 2024. They were hoping for more this year, but it's unclear if they have been successful.

If they sell a few hundred in Australia each year.. hard to see how they can keep the doors open. They have sold 2000 grenadiers in Aus in total as of June 2025.

Will they even survive to do a model update? Maybe writing is on the wall already.

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In the UK, data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders show that Ineos’s sales for the first 10 months of 2025 have fallen from 302 to 233.

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I doubt they will survive for long, huge engineering failure on the front diff and drive shaft causing multiple failures, long lead times on spares, no access to a code reader , excessive power steering whine and water leaks galore
The angle of the front axle drive shaft is a huge problem so lifts make it worse and the reason most won’t consider them as a viable option when it comes time for a new 4wd

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Thanks for posting. Here is a version of the article from an archive server for people that don't have a telegraph account.

I'm really struggling to process the following paragraph.

I'm not sure what the problem is in the UK but 233 cars so far in 2025. I don't know what to say.

Apparently the US is their biggest market by far, and they sold 8000 units in total in 2024. They were hoping for more this year, but it's unclear if they have been successful.

If they sell a few hundred in Australia each year.. hard to see how they can keep the doors open. They have sold 2000 grenadiers in Aus in total as of June 2025.

Will they even survive to do a model update? Maybe writing is on the wall already.



archive.li

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It appears one problem is the UK tax system for commercial vehicles but there's also a max. sales quota imposed because the "fleet" emissions can't be averaged across less fuel hungry models. This was a motivating factor for developing the "mini-me" all electric "Fusilier" ...which is on hold. ...damned shame.

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Originally Posted by Hoges

It appears one problem is the UK tax system for commercial vehicles but there's also a max. sales quota imposed because the "fleet" emissions can't be averaged across less fuel hungry models. This was a motivating factor for developing the "mini-me" all electric "Fusilier" ...which is on hold. ...damned shame.

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It's hard being a car maker.

If ineos are selling 8k to the us. A thousand to Australia and a few thousand here and there.. Let's be wildly generous and say 15-20k a year. I don't know how Ineos is keeping the lights on, maintaining minimum volumes with suppliers and keeping dealers interested.

To put some context around all this, Land Rover made 90 thousand defender variants in 2014. And it was considered a low volume hand built car which was only viable because the factory was paid for a loooong time ago and there was very little design being done!

Plus according to publicly available data they were making another 300,000 cars of other models!

There was an interview with one of the Ineos Directors a while back.

Her comment was their aim was to sell 30,000 vehicles a year.

I thought that was pretty low,but i am not an expert in vehicle manufacturing by any means.

Actually not an expert at much at all.....[bigrolf]

I dunno, Paul. I heard you knew a bit about D2 air con. [wink11]

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

I dunno, Paul. I heard you knew a bit about D2 air con. [wink11]

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A good Frdgie can often bumble their way through things.[biggrin]

Have only heard crickets,so it must still be going OK.....

I actually poured just about the last of my R12 into the AC in one of my Brothers petrol D1,last week.

That was done 10yrs ago,so hopefully by another 10yrs the vehicle is long gone.Pressure tested,no leaks.

Surprisingly the engine runs super quiet,no tappet noise,rattles,knocks or anything,done around 400,00KM,original drive train,one owner since '94.

Bugger, the Range Rover has just had a sudden air con failure, as yet undiagnosed cause. [bigsad]