Assuming al you guys get this, but just to be sure: oz "testing":
Grenadier Trails Australia | INEOS Grenadier
Cheers,
-P
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Assuming al you guys get this, but just to be sure: oz "testing":
Grenadier Trails Australia | INEOS Grenadier
Cheers,
-P
A couple of points. Some of that video would put me off buying a Grenadier. A couple of shots of the Grenadier haring around in circles tearing up the ground put me in mind of a advertisement I saw for a modern SUV car. That was in a field going round tearing things up to show off it's "off road credentials". Fair enough they were letting off steam so I'll park that there.
They seem to do everything at speed including the water on the road. I might not know much about outback driving but I do know about water on roads. They trouble with water on the road is that sometimes it is not always obvious if the water is coming up from a hole in the road or coming from the side or in an extreme case as a few years ago here, whether the road has been completely washed away including the bridge. Besides all of that water hitting your vehicle at speed cannot be good for the vehicle or indeed the driving trying to control it. Last week being a case in point here.
The wiper system seemed good and not flimsy which I like.
During the sand driving I noticed the fuel tank guard (?) at the back had sand draining from it from holes in it. Very good but if that was mud it would clog up.
When the back door was open I notice red dust on the inside of the door seal at the top but none on the inside of the door.
Heading up the sand dune the vehicle dug in but it got there.
Towing the Unimog, well I did something similar with a tractor and a trailer loaded with turf in the early 90's with a 90 turbo diesel. The tractor would not start so I was asked to give it a tow, which I did. The trouble was that once I began towing the tractor and trailer the ground began to shelve downwards until suddenly it was a modest slope. Now heading down a slope with a tractor pulling a loaded trailer with no brakes attached to your 90 is not a pleasant situation to be in. Think Jurassic Park with a T Rex in your rear view mirror but replaced by a battered Zetor tractor and you will have some idea of the situation.
I do not think there was anything in the video that you could not have done in your Defender. The difference being that the Grenadier seems to have it's various components built to a higher standard so should last longer, well that is what we are told.
I like the Grenadier but I do not think they need to pitch the vehicle advertising to the people who just point the vehicle, put the foot down and go. Still they know more about these things than me.
Agreed, Marketing company probably engaged in selling the vehicle . No idea of what 4wding is about. Drives me mad as well seeing 4wds leaping over sand dunes and spraying water up everywhere.
I know there are times when you need momentum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deefa
The other point about driving fast through water - if you drive fast through a puddle, you will splash much of the mud in it so far clear that it does not run back in the hole. This is the mechanism that converts puddles into potholes. If you are a regular user of the road, you are well advised not to do it!
On the other hand, in a lot of cases you may have hundreds of kilometres to go today, so there is a strong incentive to not slow down.
This is from Defender2. Someone paid a deposit and then decided not to go ahead after being driven around in one.
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I did not like the rear seats, suspension or ctr dash.
The rear seats are very bolt upright and have no leg room, the suspension was not pleasant when off road and bounced all over - they made the excuse of "progressive springs" etc but it was just not good.
As for the dash, the driver could not see it and neither could the passenger, the screen just looked black from all angles even when looking directly at it.
We went from the garage car park to a field and never got out of low ratio. The field was grass but had some ruts and we literally bounced over them as a slow speed.
It was enough to convince me to cancel my order and stick with my P400 - I was going to have both but felt the Grenadier was a step back from the old Defender let alone the new one
Here is the link
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - Deposit Refund?
The bouncyness I can concur. On the other hand, once loaded up I reckon it should be better. I did not sit in the back seats so I can not comment on that, but from what I saw standing next to the car poking my nose in they are as hard as the rear seats in a bmw X3 for instance ( a church pew comes to mind).
Regarding the 4wd donuts in the film; that was on private property (a mine I believe) so they are entitled to play as much as they like. Sure, we do not need such showing off but hey, it was fine there. Even though they had gotten permission to evacuate they did tear up that pretty badly when they had to take two goes at pulling a generator trailer through.
All in all my opinion has not changed. I would love to support this product for the plain and simple reason that they have built an ACTUAL 4wd as much within the needs and desires of most 4wd enthousiast, professionals and fleet owners alike but the compromises made (engines for the environment with way too much plastic and electronics, weird exhaust setup, DPF protruding into the right hand side foot well, etc.) combined with the unholy taxation making the car unaffordable down here still makes that I am out. It's a bit sad really.
Cheers,
-P
May I suggest that all this highlights is that people should really go and make an informed decision based on their own experience, rather than take words on any forum as gospel...Quote:
Originally Posted by spudfan
It was a pretty unproductive review. For a start the black dash in front of the driver, if that is what he is referring to, by all accounts should be dark until such time as a warning light comes on? (Hopefully not often...)
Most telling is finding out what people currently drive, because that will generally be the lens through which they perceive the merits or otherwise of this new vehicle.
I've ordered the vehicle, but I could discredit it in 5 mins if I choose to focus on what I perceive are its shortcomings (and there are of course compromises). Instead I'd prefer to be grateful that there is a viable live-axle option outside of old models, or the Toyo and Jeep line up. How lucky we are to have another tool in the shed to choose from.
Maybe INEOS could offer two rates of suspension like Land Rover did i.e. normal and heavy duty.
The latest update. From this it seems they have faith in the reliability of the Grenadier.
The new INEOS Grenadier is almost here.
As a no nonsense 4X4, it’s built on purpose to excel off-road. And we want to offer everyone who orders one an exclusive chance to put it through its paces. In a truly memorable way.
To mark the first customer deliveries later this year, we’re inviting three European and UK based Grenadier owners to pick up their new Grenadier. Not from the local agent, but from us, at an undisclosed off-road location.
If selected, you’ll face an epic journey: driving your Grenadier the hard way home. Starting in one of Europe’s wildest and most isolated regions, you’ll face extremely challenging off-road terrain and have the chance to put your new vehicle to the test. A proper handover, for a proper off-roader. On us. Sound interesting?
Think you can handle taking the hard way home? Apply here before 31st August 2022.
Best of luck,
The Grenadier Team